Natasha Tori Maru

Hello Leo, Do you feel qualified to speak for the feminine path, when you are, in this current form, a predominantly masculine entity? I am sure you consider that the masculine frame with which you see reality could be blind to other nuances. I myself in this life ended up with a feminine body and disposition. But I am quite balanced. I do not have very much attachment to my sex. I take less offense as a result. Having said that, you must admit you have no experience of the feminine path to enlightenment. Your expertise is in the masculine, no? Women grow, carry and give birth to life. They bring forth consciousness in a new form to experience. This is creativity. Their bodies sacrifice, just as men sacrifice for truth. Our greatest flaws are that we don't love hard enough. I raise that you will never know the love of birth and growth within. Can you argue this is not truth? Birth? Is it just survival? It is bringing forth new consciousness. A new piece of the infinity of God. I put forth there is truth there. Truth only found through the totality of being. Birth. Creation. Art.

Because men deeply fear women. Deeply fear their own motivation and drive toward them. Fear loss of control

This debate has sparked a bit of conversation around Peterson's statement on belief. 'To believe something is to be willing to die for it.' - Jordan Peterson (I may be paraphrasing) Interesting breakdown. Belief to me, is synonymous with deception. Belief is just more of an additive word, whereas deception is subtractive. But similar outcomes. Ties back well - this reality can only exist due to our (God's) ability to deceive ourselves (Itself) - or our belief that this reality exists.

Raises an interesting question - is a model/frame useless if it has merit but is misused? You could argue this wrt some of Leos work. Outcome vs intent

My brain is slightly scrambled logically with this topic due to having some experiences. So feel free to pull me up, I try to contain it to this thread

Yes it flirts with that for sure, but Leo is good at swatting the conspiracy out of me (don't hurt me plz, I'll be good). Do you mean to this: All over it boss, already listened while walking the dog 😈

Right back at you with that one

Yeah this has been a popular theory I have come across. I cannot link youtube clips per se - but I have listened to enough to hear it spoken about by multiple sources. There's a lot of reports it is a mobile construction unit spitting out UAP's that are 'made to purpose'. Almost as if this mobile construction unit is behaving like an immune system element of the planet. All varied shapes, sizes, orientations etc created ad-hoc to perform a specific task. I think there are hearsay reports of multiple of these under sea UAP units. They have completely annihilated those who rove too close. Like molecular deconstruction disintegration. Military people also report it is non-partial. Doesn't asses that human life is worth any more than a rock outcrop about to impact the construction unit that it must destroy to make way. All very strange stuff.

Oh yes, ok gotcha. This makes sense with your addendum. I just use it as a curious tool to assist in understanding, but do not hold it to the same rigor as something scientifically proven (I say that acknowledging science is not always the best tool). I do not use MBTI or the cognitive functions to try to fit them to pre-loaded identities. I am one to use it as a frame to enhance understanding of myself and others - but I discard it quite easily when it does not fit. It is hard for me to discard any sort of frame, because I can usually move my perspective to be able to see a useful application. But, having said that, I discard things quite easily also if I see it missing the mark too frequently in application. This comes down to me looking at systems like this as never being totally true, or only being circumstantially true. I digress...!

By astrology, I mean the stereotypical zodiac stuff. Like the ones you would find in a newspaper. I didn't know precisely what aspect you referred to, and I had a the surface level idea of it within my mind

I am aware of a few myself. I still put forth it is a useful frame - the whole thing isn't a problem per se. Unlike Astrology, which is literally founded on nothing but the fumes of woo woo

Honestly I think most people don't see they have any problems. Change implies something needs to be altered, a fix needs to be applied. There is a problem and a solution is needed. Self help is the solution for people who truthfully acknowledge they have a problem. Or, they consider they may have a problem in that they contribute to negative outcomes. Most people aren't capable of self honesty >.<

@Joshe I'll check out your links - thanks for sharing!

I suggest looking into the cognitive functions behind MBTI - Katharine Briggs and her daughter Isabel Myers developed MBTI based on Carl Jung's cognitive functions and his work. The cognitive functions are a useful frame for how we process information and make decisions. All models have their drawbacks, but equating MBTI/cognitive functions to astrology is doing these systems of understanding a disservice.

I think when someone just disagrees and misunderstands, and they show no evidence of accepting reasonable counter-argument, best to just leave them. They aren't your person. They aren't necessarily 'shitting over the thread'. More a case of embedded belief/deception. If you respond you fuel their energy. I would deflect or engage others who are contributing effectively. Sometimes you simply cannot dislodge some beliefs from other people. I do think Someone Here is not constructive at all with their contributions, though. Lots of ego hinging on 'I have history' - which doesn't give one concession to act like a nitwit.

I do think, aside from Breakingthewall, most here are agreeing with you (I think your premise is that Ralston is quality, correct me if I am wrong). The Art of Mastery was very, very good. Don't worry about the shitposters, just ignore them if you don't find their input useful. I have many people on ignore Editing to add, I do not feel qualified to critique Ralston

To set the record straight, there seems to be a misunderstanding here. I am not agreeing with Breakingthewall. I would also appreciate not being called 'crazy', thank you.

I have read some, and listened to his stuff. I choose to take the teachings I find useful from these sorts of beings. I find a lot of it valuable - and you?

I agree with this. To be clear I do not agree with breaking the wall. It is more pointing out Aion is becoming really charged up, and he need not be. I get emotionally charged up from conversations here all the time. But I try to consciously attack the argument. Aion needs to focus on attacking the argument.

I enjoy his work. I haven't done a deep dive. But respect for him for diving into really unknown territory. He appears to be unafraid by the fact a lot of his work is outside the scope of science (topic cannot be harvested [data wise] so easily, and draw conclusions). Based

This. It is a pattern of behaviour with Aion. I'm not sure why he gets so attached to ideas. The attachment runs so deep he takes critiques of ideas quite personally and gets emotional. Unfortunately it won't be an open discussion platform for him unless he can become less attached. Involved 100%, but not attached. It's the next phase of growth for him. It's good he posting though, as the friction and debate help him grow (as with us all).

@Ramanujan INTJ is my current best fit for MBTI. Re-read my post above. Nowhere do I say Leo is INTJ. INTP would be my closest guess.

No - but I am unsure why you would ask this question. As there is no way to validate it other than my response. I am familiar with the user you refer too - I believe all I noted was an massive post count under her name. I don't think she posts anymore, though. What makes you ask?

I don't see Leo as INTJ, but that is from witnessing his reported behaviour & the INTP inferior function - extraverted feeling. I actually see him getting caught off guard by this in his dialogues & interactions on the forum. His pursuit of knowledge for its own sake seems very Ti to me, as opposed to Te. My experience of Te is always looking for how it can be applied. Where will this be useful, how does it fit in with my current understanding etc. Leo is a very very careful thinker, I get the impression he takes some time to thoroughly go through a topic or subject before rapping on it - if it is in his chosen field of attention, that is. Because sometimes he has brain-farts, or doesn't specify his frame appropriately. Additionally he seems to be VERY averse to planning and structure with his life routines. He prefers freedom there, from his own reports. INTJ's typically want structure and order in their outside environment to act as support scaffolding so they can be free to bounce around internally. He reads to me (with my not expert knowledge of MBTI cognitive functions) as Ti - Ne all over the place. Just my perception though. It's friggin' too real >.< I cannot tell you the volumes of consternation I cause/d the women in my family/life through always steamrolling the emotions and spearheading to a solution. I think I felt like always paying attention to emotions and emotional systems (cause/effect etc) made me a feeler. Additionally, I am also very aware I keep people at a distance by this type of emotional analysis and attention. I dislike expressing my own feelings and emotions to others, so it is much easier to focus on theirs and attempt to fix. And, like yourself, I am definitely an oddball. So determined to remain authentic to myself, with zero fucks given to fitting in. *spits on Fe*

@Carl-Richard As always, a fascinating and useful tool to contribute - thank you @Joshe You may be interested to know this prompt pulled INTJ for me - which was your guess in previous discussions. INFJ, ENFP, INFP where next, in that order. I definitely feel there are some inaccuracies due to the data ChatGPT pulls from. I will add a - thank you - also! That previous discussion were you interpreted my self report was like a bomb dropped! I think I didn't understand how I was using extraverted thinking. Also I was a bit turned off by the typical type descriptions of INTJ. I ended up watching a lot of Joyce Meng's YouTube channel where she hosts many different types & discussions on perceived differences. Personality Hacker Podcast was another one that contained good information. I have only been intermittently active on the forum up until recently (it took data from 2025 only), and I deliberately censor myself here quite a bit. I do note that in text, we have the time to craft and form an impression - which can be false. But this also reveals unknowns the prompt may pick up. I had fun!