Natasha Tori Maru

Show me this. Quote please. I can explain what is being said because I suspect you have not understood. I pointed out seeking happiness, as the topic, is a seperate topic to what a humans natural state is. You were the one to divert to what the natural state is - the topic is about the mechanisms behind desire.

Good catch - like 'Humility elevates you above others' a paradox that cancels itself I personally view a judgement as having an attachment - whereas discernment, rather, is detached. A judgement is a verdict, a conclusion. Evaluative/absolute/comparative A discernment is not a verdict, merely a noticing of cause & effect. Observational/descriptive This is from a spiritual sort of interpretation

This is really insightful - appreciate the thought and time you took to elaborate here The judgement, thinking and then thought attachment to the self is generating internal hatred of the peanuts (hatred being wishing the 'thing' to be annihilated from existence). Deeming it to be erased due to the myopic view 'it is bad for me, who cares about others'. Completely ignoring the experience that someone else may have - the joy of hot, crunchy peanut butter on toast. If this person where more discerning (which is open, clarity) they would see the truth of the peanuts - they are neither good nor bad. They are simply not chosen to be experienced due to negative outcome. The discernment encapsulates the wider view: noticing patterns, differences & truths with no condemnation. Appreciation for the peanuts is present, regardless of the effect on one's experience. It is easy to see how judgement can function to block the truth! Judgement carries with it a closed finality - discernment opens clarity. Oh! hell yeah - this is so common. Trying to intellectually understand without real experience and integration. Along with no structure to the teachings.

To my understanding it is literally the desire for happiness that is the issue (in that, desiring something immediately puts you in the state of not having that which you seek). This is the human bullshit blocking you from experiencing truth. I do not think a base state of happiness is the issue. It is you, sans bullshit. But seeking it another thing entirely

@Razard86 Hell yeah - my experience also 🙏

The point was that it was a derived view, not explicitly stated. I make no value judgements on your opinion. Why do you perceive sharing opinions anti-spiritual? I do not think anyone explicitly stated suffering is the natural state. Feel free to quote this 🙃 Merely showing that the seeking of happiness is the issue. Say, for example, happiness is the natural state, and we do not see it because we are sold happiness in the form of 'what you do not have'. This blinds us, creates a void inside, where we think the happiness is not. But we are indeed happy. Unable to sense it, feel it. You can see that we can be happy as a default state, and block it out in a blind attempt to seek it. Unaware it is present always

Sir, sit down and re-evaluate please.

Let us spend time eliminating the problem that there is no problem. Only to create a new set of problems to deal with survival. And this time, maybe we are happier with the new set of problems... ...because now, we have the perception of control 'I chose these problems'

It's happening again >.<

100% been my experience - meditating while fasted and collecting data through my Garmin is quite amazing. While fasted I enter deeper non-sleep states and see my heartrate drop to 20 beats per minute and below. I recommend everyone do a stint volunteering at a hospice. What you see there cannot be explained or fully comprehended. The process of dying - the self sloughs off - being is revealed. Awareness is being deconstructed, literally, before your eyes. And to witness this? There needs to be a whole host of new words in the English language to express it. Presence gathers like a gentle tide and folds you tenderly into its embrace. Witnessing natural death was the most beauty I have been present for. Agree - letting go of attachments. One engages in the flow of existence and awareness. No more internal friction is generated to pollute the individual. I think if we look at the base word 'health' - what is it really? If we take the body as an example (as this is a material reality) - it is energy balance. Homeostasis. Everything generated by the egoic 'self' introduces elements that throw consciousness out of balance. Pollute awareness.

An empty Leo sits in the Lotus Position (die knees, die) in front of a black box that displays shit, witnessing strange sounds made from fleshy beings, as light flashes and changes over a screen. An experience is being had by no one. A consciousness is data mining experience. 🥨

This is not precisely what it means. But your own personal interpretation is within your rights to have 🙃 Do you think happiness is our natural state? Or peace? I would counter this that labelling things natural or not sort of muddies the water. For you to want something implies you do not have it - that's where the 'hole of happiness' within comes from. Recognising that we are already whole, unfettered, perfect, to begin with, is key. You would never seek it if you didn't think you didn't have it. Desiring happiness can be argued as unconscious behaviour. Because you do not see the existential consequences of it.

Where was it stated it was not natural? Where do you perceive the desire for happiness comes from?

I think this is where I was going with: Trying to disengage language from the definition of context. But I realise the above could be the language of symbolism. This thread is contracting and expanding back and forth all over the place. Hard to say if it is getting closer to 'context'

That could be true - do you think most people desire happiness? I do not know what to think there, as I have only ever desired peace. And that was definitely born of a desire to escape suffering. I think you have highlighted a looping positive feedback cycle: Desire for happiness causes suffering, causes increased desire for happiness to escape the self generated suffering - ad infinitum. This business of selling happiness arising from the social domain of society is backwards ay? Peace should be the aim.

@vibv Gonna trigger some xy chromosomes

Leo onto it for you https://www.actualized.org/insights/recontextualizing-reality

Survival basically cock-blocks you For psychic crap there is no way I can proceed there and work simultaneously. It is like needing to flip a switch. At work I am a thinking dominated machine - but spirituality in general has been an unexpected boon: I do not attach to my work at all. Delivering hard truths, bad news, managing expectations etc is effortless because I do not attach anything of myself to the tasks. Even when I make an error, there is no renumeration. Just a quick assessment of what went wrong so I can adjust my SOP and move forward. No attachment to thoughts or myself in the process. It is like a videogame. You don't renumerate about your character dying because you missed the trap in the floor You reboot and go through the same cave - just step left now! I do have high standards for my conduct - fairness, always polite, courteous. Honest (as much as possible), authentic, warm and charming. I inject all those personal attributes into how I deliver the news. But at the end of the day - none of my work is me at all. So when I face personal judgement or unfairness it is like water on Teflon. This has made it effortless - and it's construction work so it is one of the more high pressure environments. I do have moments sometimes - but spirituality has directly applied in this realm. As well as the above, I am operating with programs, schedules, lead times, logistics, inclement weather, personal problems from others - a constantly shifting set of variables. A secondary effect of this work is that I have learnt to trust myself totally - I know what will happen, WILL happen. And exactly at the right time and in the right order. I know when I see the action with the highest probability to effect what I need to - and I take it as soon as I see it. Life is just going with the flow, and having the wisdom to know precisely when to take action to facilitate confluence

@Sandroew It is like spiral dynamics for awakening? If that gets the juices flowing One of the images will resonate hard ♥(ˆ⌣ˆԅ)

@Sandroew I have been seeing a similar error pop up. It doesn't read like a localised storage error to me - sounds like some sort of account storage error on the backend. Has happened on Android phone and Windows 11 for me.

It is desire in both directions isn't it? Desire to NOT suffer. Desire for happiness. Happiness seeking generates its own suffering. We generate the lack within ourselves 'I do NOT have this thing, I must get it' You create the void inside. I think there is some saying about desire/craving somewhere in my pockets

@EternalForest I do admit - the title is a play on the context we naturally inject into the word 'evolved' 🥨

@EternalForest But is more evolved better? 😜 Implied - I suppose. Perhaps women are more evolved to survive in a mud environment, wider hands and feet to move. Not necessarily better depending on environment 🙃😊🙃

@theleelajoker 🎯 It goes deeper as well. You realize adjusting the inner world changes what happens in the outer. And then you see the thinking mind runs counter to the intuitive nature of consciousness. OBE's, psychic phenomenon, remote viewing etc can all be tapped into through intuitive forms of consciousness but ONLY when the thinking mind is stopped. You realize thinking is actually pushing your focus all over the place and you are missing the key pieces you NEED to notice in reality, to punch through into the intelligence of consciousness. And that is where the openness concept comes in. Open to seeing everything and finding the precise opportunity. Probability in your field. The MOMENT you start thinking - you have an intention, an aim. And that thinking intention immediately acts to block out the opportunity that presents itself. As soon as you begin to think, you introduce bias. You blind yourself. You miss the que from reality to act. That bias needs to completely go for psychic/esp/obe type phenomenon to work. This is why meditation meditation meditation! Just my experience so far with OBE/psychic stuff and remote viewing I realize this might sound a bit odd - but the thinking mind is the enemy for consciousness work for me!

@Username My biggest issues are circulatory - I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis and Raynaud syndrome I had a really terrible time of it last year - but thankfully the Hashimoto's is in remission. Although its not something that will go away, I have minimal symptoms, stable thyroid and lowered antibodies. Going good for about 10 months now Stress reduction, diet and air quality were what I changed to achieve the above. I was on custom compound of thyroid meds before adjusting external factors. My grandmother has both conditions - and my mother has thyroid issues. By BIGGEST challenges are brain fog and circulation. The Raynauds syndrome is brutal on my hands in the Australian winter. I got frostbite in my right hand 2 months ago - I was unable to use that hand a lot and the skin just died and dropped off... The brain fog happens mostly after I eat, but it depends a lot on how difficult the food is to digest and how well I chew it. Liquid diet worked well for this, but I do sometimes feel deprived of the sensory enjoyment of food from prolonged liquid nutrition.