Natasha Tori Maru

Hmmm, there is a lot here! I can see you are attempting to reframe how you view events and history through this cerebral process. And reframing can be very very powerful. I am naturally able to flip frames and perspectives. It is so natural I cannot prevent it happening - my default. I do this to sort of 'data harvest' meaning from past events so I can project future outcomes and discern meaning. Most people need to train this behaviour into themselves. I was blessed/cursed with it inherently (not to brag, it just is what it is). A secondary effect of this process has been that it often will reveal a hidden meaning I have made from an event. And that meaning usually becomes a belief. This is really important to realise as, often times, especially when we are young and developing, we take meaning from events that are not true in the slightest. For example 'I went and spoke to that person - and they rejected me. They acted like I wasted their time - that means I must always have a reason to approach someone'. This leads to internalised shame as a result of taking on the wrong meaning/belief from the event. The real meaning behind the event is 'People are selfish and will choose arbitrary reasons for dismissing you that has nothing to do with you at all' thus not internalizing any shame that we may be bad/wrong. But when we are children, it is way too scary to see the world and others as bad/evil - that is too much to take on mentally! So we tend to blame OURSELVES. It is US who are wrong - evil. That is internalising the shame. And this is tragic, because it can lead to all sorts of issues - namely social anxiety, approach anxiety, and self isolation. I use this example as it is an extremely common one I see in others. So I think your process is powerful - the feeling you are looking into - it is a result of a meaning/belief. But as you can see in the example above, the meanings we make about our world and ourselves are often WRONG. But the feeling remains because the belief remains unconsciously - that is to say - outside of our awareness of it. So it keeps coming up - this feeling. What the hell! Because the belief remains. So feelings are true - they are real - but where they arise from can be the error - the incorrect belief and meaning. This is why allowing feelings and following them is very, very important. They cannot be ignored or else they will come back with more force. More frequently. And they cannot always be trusted in that, the belief hidden behind them may be an error. Realising the above mentally is half the issue. That can be enough for a big 'THUNK!' moment in some and realization. But to integrate that you need to act it out in reality to prove to yourself that meaning is false, and see the truth of the experience that you missed the first time around. So if we roll with the example above - we realise there is some weird SHAME feeling that doesn't seem right - we want to test out this reframe of a past belief to see if it is true. And the only way to do so? Go out and approach others. Again and again. Look at the patterns. How they react. Do they always react to you the same? Even when you approach and have nothing to offer of value? I guarantee you they will not. Sometimes they welcome a stranger. Sometimes you have a laugh with them! They will always act differently. Even if you are the same... so what is going on? It cannot be an issue with you causing their reaction - they always react differently, independent of you. How they perceive you will always be different and really have nothing to do with you! Suddenly there is no shame there, because you are doing nothing wrong. You aren't bothering anyone. The key in the above is the action taken in reality to address the recontextualised view on past events. This will re-emphasise the falsehood of previous beliefs and act to create new memories, and see the truth originally missed. So my question is - as you seem to have contemplation down pat - have you been engaging in reality to generate experience to relook at what was once missed? This it the key to rewiring the mind. The direct feedback taken from reality... in the social domain. Working. Talking. Family. Friends. Exercise etc. It can be confronting - but it is often the missing step

Exactly - otherwise my mind eats itself alive

If there is one thing I have learned with people through life - they NEVER do things just once. If they cut corners somewhere - that energy conservation will be misapplied somewhere else. Not ALWAYS the case - but actions like the above tend to be habits. Shit we do without thinking. When someone is seeking to optimise efficiency in particular, we usually see a compromise in quality in pursuit of outcome. This 'people never do things in isolation' is particularly applicable to behaviour in the social domain with personal boundaries. Even on the forum moderating - you see the same repeat behaviours. As soon as someone is an upstart once - my antennas are up

Gosh, its called a COLD PLUNGE ya'll 😈

Our runaway, rampant, all consuming and thoughtless desire for online entertainment, AI & information. Requiring the hidden costs of incredible power & water consumption via data-centre expansion and hosting. Effectively raping the environment.

An OBE might be more realistic ?

I have found most normies consider philosophy to be pretty offensive - it probes their worldview. People use that worldview to hold onto certainty - so it feels destabilising to them, unfortunately. If someone is naturally looking at meaning behind things, mechanisms - I take that as a tell they may be open to a conversation 😁

Necro? Hehehe More curious to get newer posters to have a go 😁

Hehehehehehe The raw majesty, awe, wonder & delight of the substance generated between the interaction of subject & object

Non-duality is only half the story - think of it as a step on the journey. Endless journey. I mean - not a bad place to be ⊂(◉‿◉)つ

@rd5555 ^This We might need some more details to assess. First question - are you attempting to mentally think or reframe your way out of something with a process to fix a mental process gone awry? Taking a wild stab with the above - but a big mistake many make is trying to think your way out of a problem only taking real world action (ie physical or applied) will solve. In any event, we may need a couple of concrete examples to dissect to offer up a solution

Only If I take over 5g in one dose - so I tend to split it up. I notice greater thirst but not bloating. I drink around 3-4L of water a day, not including from the vegetables I eat. The water retained is experienced as intramuscular rather than the typical water retention you feel when it is in surrounding tissues. Hard to describe - I feel fuller and more powerful! Still going strong at it

Precisely - and that surrender is so freeing. I fiercely engage with life because I know I can always make it happen and it will be okay - until it isn't and I die No need to worry, it will come as it comes. I do feel lucky to have not had any indoctrination at an early age. You see all over the world - even these forums - individuals who have their reality challenged, by psychedelics, near death experiences - and they default back to beliefs instilled in their developmental stages. It speaks to the hidden beliefs we all have underneath our conscious mind. Beliefs never really looked at or questioned.

Yes - deep sleep. No object. Death - no object. But aware.

@Carl-Richard What the FUCK I wish I could tell you I read that post before you linked it.... iTz HapPEnInG AgAIn

@Jehovah increases Do you live in Perth? Ice hell hole that incinerated me in summer - but I may have been in the sketchy areas! I never went clubbing or checked out the nightlife I will admit - I have in Melb/Syd. I figured the OP wanted a larger city. The shit double standard is I get in everywhere free

@Carl-Richard Tell me more about this hammer and the hitting of people with it I'm an expert when it comes to abusing drywallers with tools on the site - I prefer powertools myself I agree though - understanding the mechanisms behind the body enable better real world application. Sometimes one discovery unlocks a host of others due to the holistic nature of the human. As an example - women should train around their monthly cycles. Work with the natural ebbs and flows of energy. Understanding the hormone cycle enables me to train heavier during some parts of my cycle, knowing my recovery will be better. Thus I know I can go hard some weeks and recovery won't impact my functioning at work. Other weeks I need to roll the fuck back as I just won't be able to go near PRs and recover.

To answer OP: I don't know - unknown experience. So no belief - just not knowing. Total uncertainty. I wasn't raised with any belief system, thank God. So nothing to default back to (which seems to be a really common occurrence, and mechanism of the subconscious mind). I was only raised with 'You create' by my rather weird artist grandfather.

Sydney / Melbourne 100% Bit harder in the smaller cities - forget Perth/Adelaide

Now I'm picturing the bastard eating crayons with one eye off to the side. The arm maniacally scribbling his profound insights across the scrapbooks

I have been inundated by the weight & volume of the nouns, adjectives & verbs used to describe the human flesh suit in question A small smile grew wider the longer the passage was read !

BLASPHEMY!

On psychedelic use for spirituality - and not to derail, more to bring some awareness to misunderstanding. I have extensive history of use. I consider myself retired - the following is my experience. Psychedelics, used correctly, should be breaking your false beliefs - lifting the cataracts off your iris - to see with clarity. They are not to be used for a simple state change in a recreational manner. Used correctly, they will shatter the false self - the illusory self/deception & assumptions - in a similar way self-enquiry, insight and then integration can do. Just as with self-enquiry, integration of the insight must happen after the session. They can show you the nature of your experience without the self - ego construct - in the way. To me, if they aren't being used to disintegrate false beliefs, deception & assumptions - they aren't to be used. Not everyone requires the force of psychedelics and can deal with how extreme they are. Some only need the self-enquiry scalpel to remove the cataract. Some need the psychedelic laser eye surgery to force clarity. Some people respond to a simple push into questioning for their illusions to shatter. Problems arise in the interpretation of the experience & whether or not we are taking our ego into it. And, unfortunately, without proper guidance and intention, users can often form up a bunch of new beliefs based on the experience, instead of look to what was removed and revealed by substance use.

Christ guys don't shit in the paddle pool. Behave with some integrity. So disappointed with the interactions here (not everyone). If you have a lot of charged emotions just empty that shit into the journal section. Learn stoic boundaries instead of having to crush opponents. It speaks to YOU having been crushed in the past and not knowing how to handle it with stoicism, thinking retaliation solves it. And that means standing your ground without the need to smash the opponent. ' No. ' will end someone more effectively than giving them juice to fight back with nasty words. I hate having to hand out corporal (so to speak) punishment but it will happen if this continues.