Natasha Tori Maru

@Ramasta9 Any of what you proposed could be it, that is for certain. The essence of the debate becomes what IS most likely with current knowledge. And I say this as an experiencer, so I always have an extreme open mind.

TBH I think most people are only invested in perceived 'truth' insofar as it either gives them some functional solution, or nice feeling.

Last time I checked in on him it was 1 hour of 'All bad dirt, your problems, bad dirt. Get better dirt' and 'Your problems are mind-diarrhea' I've also gone heavily into the LoO material and Bashar's channeling. But ultimately, it is all unverified hearsay and I just can't. Doesn't stop me really getting into it (and alternate history theories / theories in general). And plenty of it has a lot of cross-over. There is a possibility it is real - but for now there isn't enough there to justify any of it as alternate explanations for the pyramids / human origin. LoO is a lot denser, so I see people into that a lot less, as Bashar is quite accessible converting his stuff into actionable steps 'Follow your highest excitement' and the 5 laws. I just default back to not knowing. Or settling on 'most likely', but never conclusively.

@Nick_98 From all the evidence we have it does appear neural activity gives rise to the 'thinking' which would indicate it happens in the brain. But in terms of how we subjectively perceive 'thinking' and where it is located? I personally think it is because my sense faculties are located on my head. Another weird example - if I place my hand on a hot stove - the pain is registered and processed in my brain, but projected to my hand. It feels like it’s in my hand because the brain’s sensory map (the somatosensory cortex) is wired to treat signals from that area as belonging there. The pain itself isn't IN the hand. The hand just sends the data. So the experience, or the qualia of pain, happens entirely in the brain. I think to survive it has evolved that way - that we perceive it as 'out there' as a convincing sort of simulation. It is rather brilliant because this useful delusion lets us move and react instantly so no thinking is needed. Lighting reflexes for optimal survival. If we didn't have this illusory perception, we would not remove our hand to save it from burning. Instead we would feel it in the brain and then... well that wouldn't work to save the hand, would it? At least, the above is how I understand it

Because your eyes and sense organs are located there? I have thought on this - and that is the only reason I personally perceive it that way. It is just an assumption. I am sure if my eyes and ears were on my hips, I ate from my rib cage and smelled from my kneecaps I would perceive my thinking mind to be located somewhere between those sense faculties. I was literally thinking about this while on lunchbreak

DUDE I have listened to him... and as a ex-chronic I-skull-fucked-the-doob weed lover - he needs to put the joint down lol

On this one? Who or how the pyramids were built? Knowing how fucked up and difficult construction can be... and the limits of materials and integrity? I just do not know. I don't think the current explanation covers the full story. And anything I might dream up based on archaeological record is 100% hearsay, as fun as it might be

Nice little heated debate you guys have here Was listening to this earlier - the segment below beginning 33:41 (linked) applies. You guys might enjoy

I can see that also. For myself I try to understand why he is adding that frame? What is at stake? Is he using it to attempt to qualify? Because much of these statements he makes aren't actually required: the content speaks for itself. So generally I view it as sneaky ego. Just an honest critique as I enjoy Leo's content a lot, but as with us all, sometimes our ego sneaks in without us being fully conscious.

I'd say it was entertaining but nothing ground-breaking. Its not the sort of cerebral skull-fuck of philosophy that most users crave More like philosophy with padded punches

Wasn't sure where to put this tbh - thought some of you might enjoy this. Not a fan of DOAC but thought the debate was interesting. I don't think Greg Koukl (Christian) or Dr K (psychiatrist) had the rigor of Alex O’Connor (atheist), but it was interesting as it went from meaning, purpose, God, psychedelics, panpsychism, motivation and back again.

It must be experienced 🌱

@Xonas Pitfall 🏁🎯⛳

You would be surprised just how some normal humans cannot handle this. They are so repressed and stuck in the rat wheel, that stopping all stimulation for 20 minutes to breath causes a lot of emotional shit to come up and overwhelm them. In fact it is openly known meditation is not recommended if there is any sort of emotional stuff running amok inside. And just about everyone I know is so repressed...

Hell yeah I am looking forward to this. Balls to the wall

Do you feel like you are wasting time? I have been through phases of this feeling in life. I got to the point where I realised 'why am I fine wasting time trolling people or gaming, but I am not fine wasting time working?' The difference was I couldn't bare the thought of disappointed or not being enough. Not on the time wasted. Not on meaninglessness. I decided I was okay with wasting time building shit even if the money meant nothing and I didn't successfully build anything. I just sort of - snapped. Anyway I don't have any advice, other than my story. ❤️🌱

The curdled stench of conspiracy, hearsay & fantasy

Muahahaha Annunaki !

This always has me intrigued. John Anthony West & Robert Schoch are the major proponents I believe.

So have some integrity and take it up with Leo. Stop with the drama. Stop with the petty games. Stop trying to have the last word. I'm locking this.

Honestly - to me - and I don't speak for the moderating team this is just my opinion: The insight reads to me like a lot of intellectualizing away the bad feeling of lashing out and losing self control. It genuinely appears like you coping by twisting the interaction to fit some philosophical frame. The barber did you wrong - ok. But that does not mean retaliating is needed in such an extreme way. It is possible to assert yourself without blasphemy. I can think of many other higher conscious ways to deal with the situation. And no I will not list them because if you are doing the work they are obvious. The reaction you had is not reflective of any sort of higher self or ego integration.

Oh ho ho watch the opinions of the users wielding pitchforks coming at you 💃💃💃💃💀

That's what he's after 😇 'my competitor is Jesus' - BJ

Yes - because as I said they do not require their belief systems align - that is not a high value for them. If it were a top value that each share the others belief the relationship would dissolve. They have some values that are higher to them that do align that bring them together in a loving relationship. You can have individual personal values YOU adhere to - but what you require and value from a partner can be completely different. I don't know how to express this any clearer.