Natasha Tori Maru

Listen - you do you boo - in your own head. Not all thoughts are so wonderful and profound they need to be shared. Feel free to make these generations in your mind - but keep posting such things to a minimum. Unless you like consequences.

No. You need more variety of experience with women. This is rather sexist.

This is more related to connection I think - you perceive you can attain happiness through the connection with a partner. But in reality - it is the true connection with yourself you require that you cannot feel. Once you connect with yourself, love springs from the seeds of experience shared with another. Without the neediness of thinking they can supply what we do not have. What ends up being created between - experience - is the font of love. Stems from society telling us we are not enough. We need another to be whole. So you end up with broken pathological attached love being represented as the aim. They sell you something by creating a percieved lack. Insidious.

We should probably get some clarity around transcending socialisation and just experiencing less of a need for it in general. It's like food - some people compulsively eat and make bad decisions with it. It forms a compulsive addiction due to unlived highest values. As you fulfill those values the compulsive need to escape into food lessons. You begin to eat to live, rather than live to eat. In my personal journey this effect was mirrored in the social domain - I looked to more socialisation when younger. As I got further into healing and then spiritual work, my need for socialisation lessoned. And I realised I simply needed much less that I previously presumed. I am willing to forego a lot of socialisation in the pursuit of quality over quantity. The need will always be there just like food. I do not think Leo has said recently he wants zero socialisation in a pathological way - in fact earlier in this thread he displayed good interoception remarking faciliated contact with others was healthy and he felt a need for it. I think he simply discerns that a lot of the social domain can involve recursive echo chambers, and is aware this has an effect on him. As it does is all. The old saying goes 'You are the sum of your top 5 people'. So I think this retreat may also be a way to have a social experience aimed at quality over quantity. And a process to vet people to avoid excessive wasted time socialising to find quality. Shared experience is a way to connect in a more profound way than anything else. And I think the sorts of people to attend will be surprising. You just never know who is a seeker. To my opinion Leo hasn't been so black and white lately with these sorts of statements. The same way he has had more emotional stability and (what appears to me) peace, as opposed to his previous conduct on the forum regarding violent expletives. Sorry Leo I do not mean to use this against you, as you have exposed yourself in a way others have not. Which opens you to critisizm. This is merely to give evidence of growth. I perceive Leo has healed some issues behind the scenes. And my conviction here is reflected in my actions - I would never have accepted the Moderator position under the previous Leo (lets pretend that Leo died 🤪) I suppose this looks like I am defending - this is just my subjective observation of the patterns of his posting, content and tone.

@zurew 🎯

Cooperation and collaboration was a pivotal factor in human evolution. Cooperative hunting, division of labor, and the development of language and complex tools. Power in numbers. It has its pitfalls, but those who engage in the groupthink that is so denigrated often stand at the pillars of society that we all benefit from. They are valid and needed - just not in all domains.

The amount of nondual bypassing - I'm splitting

It's probably already happening... I share that trepidation. Most of the vegan proteins in the consumer reports testing were highest in lead, I noticed.

This isn't that great to hear - I do not personally use these sorts of products (aside from creatine). Not surprising though: https://www.consumerreports.org/lead/protein-powders-and-shakes-contain-high-levels-of-lead-a4206364640/

@Eskilon It could be one possible meaning to be taken out of it. I stopped searching for meaning in things a long time ago after running into paradox... The search is beneficial because it pushes you to grow. It gives structure, direction - purpose. I learned a lot. I think the best way to frame it is like climbing a ladder to reach the sky. Useful - until you realise the sky was never really up there was it? It was all around me the whole time In addition, searching for meaning subtly reinforces the idea meaning is somewhere else - not here, not now, not within me. But the path of seeking meaning is essential. Tears down belief, false gods, money, approval, egoic attachment. Points to something truer.... You don't look for the meaning of the music while its playing Just my opinions

Imagine you could dream any dream you wanted, every night - you could dream 75 years of time in one night. Every night you could have any kind of pleasure, adventure, or experience you desired. At first, you’d live out your wildest fantasies. Love, power, beauty, triumph, bliss! But eventually, you’d get bored of predictable pleasure. So you’d start adding uncertainty, risk, and surprise. “Tonight, let’s dream something less predictable… maybe something that feels real.” And after many such dreams, you’d eventually dream the kind of life you’re living right now. Complete with its ups, downs, heartbreaks, uncertainties, and miracles. “You would be living exactly as you are now — because that’s what you would dream." - Alan Watts

@BlueOak Good analogy - helped. Cheers

I haven't tried further than chatGPT and its preference ability. I could branch out, but I haven't had the need - yet. I do agree, I find it adds in emotional language

@BlueOak Have you found it reverting despite your guardrails? I have set preferences - and I do add guardrails to prompts - but I still find it can lack the sort of candid answer I seek. It appears to revert slightly over time into this feminine, pleasing exposition. Lots of fluffy language. I suppose because if it was brutally truthful there would be less engagement overall. Not everyone likes violent (ie candid) language @Lucasxp64 I think AI psychosis has been around for a while - it turns into a recursive loop. I liked a paper written on it here 6+ months ago, but didn't receive much interest. I suppose it was too dense and users wanted a tl:dr. I prefer the paper

I just do fish and eggs and don't fuck with fake shit. Sadhguru would be proud of my clean(er) dirt

Connnnnnnntext defines meaning 🌱

FIGHTING WORDS, SIR 😜

@Jannes definitely go inwards and try to feel what is going on. Another factor is that avoidant attachment style will often act to devalue their partner as a way to justify the avoidant behaviour. Typically it is characterised by needing their partner to be perfect. The mechanism fears romantic partnership due to feeling like their self is being lost. Not saying that's you, but it could be contributing to the fear. I have found that feelings don't make sense always, and intellectualizing them can be my own cope. Like I need to justify how I feel. Madness hehe

No one knows. Or at least - they shouldn't think they do. But they do think they do. So they jabber endlessly.

@Jannes glad to hear some distance from the initial thoughts (and medication) has given some clarity. Respect the candid honesty here. Maybe you have had a shift in your value system, or realised you don't value looks as much as you once did? How someone appears doesn't say much about you as a person per se. But I do understand society places a lot of emphasis on looks so this can be a measure of value taken on from the social domain. Not sure if this is for everyone - but as I have moved through life attachment to the physical has dissolved by huge factors since I was younger. It is lovely to appreciate beauty, but I recognise it is just fleeting and over valuing it has the potential for suffering. Looks fade. As my grandmother always said to me 'beautiful people die twice' If you are making a compromise for this women due to recognising this value - ensure it is 100% congruent with who you are. Otherwise you open the gateway to resentment/contempt that will show up later. Contempt is the death of relationships.

@Leo Gura yeah she's a sharp one isn't she? 🤦 Australia is fucked for pesticides in EVERYTHING. I think the article linked was from just released re-testing of the main powders. Sadhguru right, it's all just bad dirt

I'd be more comfortable with that option

Disco saucer eyes will match the disco boogie

I feel like some personal feelings of being invalid might be involved in this topic - but I hope you are okay. I say this because once again, a lot of upset language.

My sides - SPLITTING @Emerald I felt the same when reading this >.<