Natasha Tori Maru

Yeah, but aren't you harping on about not knowing but then making statements about grand insights about Leo leading people to insanity? Seems like a whole lot of knowing... You even repeated yourself in another thread, then found this insight to be so profound it deserved its own thread? I think you need to get away from screens, ideas and concepts for a couple of hours. These feelings that arise from all of these arguments and puffing your chest out cannot feel good.

*goes off topic in thread of own volition* RULES FOR THEE BUT NOT FOR ME

Just wait - one day I will psychoanalyze Leo into the next dimension. No one escapes my categorical observation and terror dredging ... I just wait until the victim is willing to let me in But as you wish, no messing for now. I just want you to know I send the e-hugs

Bypassing feeling is what is going on here. I don't know what feeling you are afraid of - but you instantly rejected.

@Someone here You'll grow out of this phase

He's contemplating 💀

I'm now convinced. Settled. R - 'just grasp what it is' R - 'experience of the cup' R - 'gasping what that is' Leo - 'but it feels like I already know what that is, I know what a cup is' R - 'what the cup is... What the cup is' It's fucken LSD 🫠

Notice YOU are making this judgement that 'infinity is a piece of shit' That is your biased personal opinion. It has nothing to do with how God feels about it. You are anthropomorphising God and projecting your own judgement, assuming what you judge as shit is what God judges as shit. This is a mistake. God does not judge. You judge in your limited perspective.

The way he compulsively goes at that shit in videos... It's like a sip between every word 👀 LSD crack cup

I guarantee you do dream. You just aren't recalling them or aware. I had to train the ability to recall and document dreams. Lucid dreaming and inducing that state isn't linked to night time dreaming in my experience. It is a hypnagogic state different to the REM sleep we enter during normal sleep.

Yeah, Ralston HEAVILY emphasis having a physical feedback practice to supplement the work. True in my experience. I sprint and distance run, and the emphasis on feedback and body sensation/response has been effective in the work. I think a lot of Leo's perspective is that he has reached higher states than what Ralston claims. Maybe there are different things involved in the levels of consciousness Leo has reached? Unsure. I am guessing you have some more examples/data points than me I don't know anyone in real life who uses Ni !

@Oppositionless On and off for 5/6 years - more consistently in the last 2 years. I average 30-45 minutes a day. Split into 2 sessions. Weekends I always go for 2hrs on one of the days. There is more inside that you can only know or understand by doing the work - meditation or psychedelics. I don't draw conclusions, and it is hard to discount other's experiences after some of the states I have been in.

I think you can appreciate candid truth - and that is what you are seeking here. My markup - I read this, and the red tells me you have an inner hidden belief that is fueling a bias. And that cognitive bias means you will be looking for things in the external world to confirm it. I perceive that belief to be 'I am not enough'. 'I am not enough' tells me there is shame going on. Normally, feelings of shame create anger and volatility. And when anger is suppressed, we see depression. But I do not see depression from you (could be, just going by posts). I sense anger and emotional charge. Nothing wrong with that - this is just my discernment and in no way judging I raise this as emotionally healthy and mature people sense underlying feelings very quickly in intuitive ways. Often shockingly quickly. And there could be some measure of projection of this going on that others are picking up on. With the above comes a lot of black and white + perfectionist thinking. 'I need this, before this' 'I will finally be able to start living life once XXX'. I do not know, but I suspect you may have some experience with trauma. Somehow you have learned you need to be perfect or satisfactory, to deserve so-and-so. So. I might flip the script a bit here.... Should a woman want to be in a relationship with you? Should I want to be in a relationship with you? Right now, as you are. AND Do you enjoy dating?

@zurew Ha ha! Those shots - them be fired

I swear Ralston is like Solipsism for this forum. These threads keep coming up and exploding

Saaaame - my slippery mind 🫠💀

*uses own narrow set of experience data to extrapolate a conclusion without seeing the evident cognitive bias*

Ralston's techniques were big for my development. Self-enquiry and meditation were key in conjunction with the above. In fact, there seems to be some confusion around states obtained in meditation. It is like sleeping. You don't 'try' to sleep. You just turn off the senses and it just 'happens' with not a lot of memory around how. And I know - I have spent a lot of time in hypnogogic and lucid states. Flirting with the boundaries of wakefulness and sleep. Deliberate too, to explore facets of consciousness. The states reached in meditated suddenly happen in the same way sleep just happens to us. You just do the thing and it happens. And solid meditation practice over time is almost like - using a microscope or a telescope on reality - only you are looking to the inward landscape. We see so much more of our reality through these instruments - things we were NEVER conscious of before. The same thing happens with meditation practice when you slip into these states. And the longer you do this, exploring inwardly in this state, the more you raise your consciousness. You see more. Understand more. That place is where you unlock siddhis. Although if anyone has experience with these things, you know it is not to be spoken about. That alone will set you back months or YEARS of practice. I don't know why, but when I have been open about things like that in the past, I had huge setbacks. I keep it to myself now. I never used psychedelics for consciousness work. But I recognize now what these drugs were doing (I have had 7 years+ of use) after having established a meditation practice and regularly exploring the inner landscape. The drugs did not produce awakening for me. Or raised my baseline consciousness. But I recognize they can be used that way if paired with self-enquiry and philosophy. The states I experienced on psychedelics share a lot of overlap between states I slip into with meditation. The difference could be that I was not practicing self-enquiry etc when using. I am basing this observation simply on my perception of both states of meditation and psychedelics. So, it might be useful to ask - what is going on in meditation states? I am 'within the dream' but going into a state that is increasing my awareness, consciousness and perception capabilities. The same way taking the psychedelic is doing something 'within the dream' to experience a different state. And within my own experience something really remarkable is happening in these meditation states with relation to the dream. I do not know why I can reach such states with so much ease using meditation and self-enquiry. I guess it could be genetics, but it could also be how meta one is about their thinking and how sensitive body-perceiving faculties are. I have always been incredibly aware of HOW I was thinking. Training myself to observe the sequence of thoughts and how I was deriving conclusions. And I used my feeling and emotional states to understand my thinking process. So, a combination of mind/body analysis. Is there a genetic component to the ability to intercept or be so meta? Or did I simply train myself to enhance my own sensation/thinking faculties? To reach these really deep states of meditation, I had to learn to better understand the thinking mind - AND feeling/perceptions from the body. Extensive, laborious, time-consuming work. Emotions, feelings, thoughts, perceptions - it seems to me this work is what raises baseline consciousness. Training ones-self to 'sense' in waking states - what the meditation 'microscope' is showing us - just without needing the microscope. And I think psychedelics can put you into a 'state' but without a lot of the work behind it. So, we might say - psychedelics are a short cut 'unearned wisdom'. Maybe needed if you cannot intercept as well. But if you pair psychedelics with self-enquiry, it seems to me this process could be reverse engineered. Psychedelics can make you more aware of body, mind, sensations and how these parts of us influence our experience. Just after the fact. Meditation trained me to do that BEFORE I was able to reach deep states of inner spiritual experience. Working from the ground up, as opposed to psychedelics, which would be from the top down, to the ground. So maybe psychedelics are raising baseline consciousness from the opposite direction. Like running around a track from start to finish - meditation/self-enquiry is clockwise, psychedelics/self-enquiry anti-clockwise. Both are different paths, see perceive different stuff, but arrive at a similar destination. Anyway just my 2c

"What is the relationship between relaxed power and consciousness? Is it simply that as consciousness increases, our identification relaxes? Meaning the mind-body no longer resists itself?"

@Emotionalmosquito You elaborated very well on your inner narrative in the above. I would look at that narrative very carefully. It contains quite a bit of cognitive bias. Are you aware that you are creating that story and generating 'me vs them' narrative? I suspect so, as you were able to elaborate this quite clearly. It might help to notice that often we think we are being singled out - but in reality, we are pretty inconsequential. Most people are only thinking about themselves. The narrative above also helps to keep perpetuating the emotions of rage and hatred. It might not be simply needing to forgive in this instance. Forgiveness may be a band-aid for the real, deeper problem - the narrative that fuels the perceived slight. This is not to say that some external wrongdoings were not had, as it sounds rather a shit happening tbh. But you are contributing to this within your thoughts also. What in particular do you think you need to forgive others for? Because if you need to forgive them for making you feel a certain way - this is actually semi-incorrect. No one can make you feel a certain way - only you can allow that feeling. And by running over the story in your head again and again - you are making your mind and body relive it. The emotions come up again - like a wave crashing over another amplifying its effects. If you let this go and surrender the narrative, you won't need to forgive as much. Because you will not have amplified it to a renumerating story echoing around within your mind. You will lesson the importance by killing the perpetual thought. Attempting to catch these thoughts as they happen may be the first step. But you must catch them AS THEY HAPPEN. Throw the light of awareness on them: 'I'm renumerating again!' 'There's me telling a story again!' When you become aware and catch the thought, it can help with stopping. Thoughts like these are bad habits: something we do automatically without thinking. This is how cognitive bias happens. It is a reflexive thought that makes total sense logically, but is not seeing the full picture. It might also be necessary to realise that hopelessness and despair are present under the anger and rage. Despair and loss of hope are protection mechanisms that act as a way to ensure we feel safe 'If I don't hope at all, I won't be disappointed'. Realising this is big, because you understand the gravity of what you are attempting to change: your minds own safety mechanisms for certainty. These mechanisms are intimately connected to survival.

In addition - how many of those hippies who made breakthroughs would go on to publicise or teach others/become a guru? There could be many enlightened hippies and we would never know.

People don't think as it is. Most of the worst outcomes arise due to not thinking. So let's outsource our thinking to AI so we can do some MORE not thinking 💀

I am not 100% sure what a shit test is. Is it just seeing how each partner reacts to situations and experience, when you engage in something together? That's part of screening on a deeper level. Learning about the other person. If you are talking setting up a situation to deliberately see how the other reacts? I don't do it. There will be inherent bias in doing that. Loaded hypothesis. One would have to consider how that is going to make your partner feel, that they are taking part in some arbitrary experiement. It says more about the person doing it than the recipient. Also, is it another loaded premise falsely attributed to gender?

@Salvijus this is how I understand it also