Natasha Tori Maru

Good luck on your retreat! Although I think I may have missed the boat timing wise 😁 Interested to hear your feedback on return 🙏

I am also a novice in the territory. My experience was an accident. Which I suspect is the reason the terror was involved. If I were better prepared and respected what I was engaging in, my thoughts tell me, I would have been able to understand the experience. Speaking for myself, once I am able to cognitively grasp something - understand why/what/how - the negative feelings associated, dissociate. My OBE experience did not feel like ego imagination. This may be because as I relayed above - it felt like slipping on a banana peel into another state. I also perceived a 'silver cord' tethering my consciousness to my body. Also - when this event occurred - my dog went absolutely WILD. Barking at my body, then up to where my consciousness was witnessing. Fascinating. And why I am very interested in these experiences when one has an animal companion. Also, to note, my entire apartment is rigged with CCTV and security that I built with Arduino. I witnessed my pup react on the CCTV to verify I did not hallucinate her reaction. Overall a strange experience. I would need to replicate the experience to attempt to dive deeper, but I have not been able to. Or should I say, attempted to. @OBEler interested in what you have to say - thank you

Do you understand the definition for the word 'whine'? In its definition, it emphasizes a complaint about a problem that is within your control to take action. Fix. Again, you need to reframe this. You do have the internal control to influence your situation @SwiftQuill. I personally do want you to see this. Consider this your break

Just an observation. I find your manner of expression to be recursively self-referential and the word choice not succinct. I cannot understand what you are trying to say, because too much mental energy is wasted in deciphering the point. I think the constant digression and parenthesis detract from the points you are making. While these tools are definitely assets in expressing oneself, there is a whiplash effect with the frequency of speech pattern. Additionally, I can see you are typing from a stream of consciousness thought profile. While I love doing this myself, it takes a lot of skill to do so, as one needs to go back and re-edit for grammar again and again. There are many grammatical errors in your writing. Lots of paragraphs that require full stops and commas. This slows down the pace to further enhance understanding from the reader. For example, when I present a complex subject, I focus heavily on pace. Start with short sharp sentences. Make them longer and longer. Until you finish on a long elaborate point, in one grand crescendo of realization! This introduces flow and can draw the reader in, so they absorb the complex topics you are attempting to enunciate. I mean this as constructive criticism. No judgement

You totally haven't interacted with enough women!

I mean, this is the solution. It is very obvious! It's going to teach them socialisation and that these opinions they have don't reflect reality and lived experience. I just don't think many users are grasping the full ramifications of your advice. i don't agree with a lot of pickup but approaching is the way...

While I agree that the women's movement and empowerment has dislodged mens traditional identity and role, I do think you may want to revisit the education system teaching 'highly likely to be unsuccessful'. This definitely would need a reframe. 'Life is hard, you have personal agency. The only thing you can control are your actions' perhaps. This doesn't apply to one gender either. It seems these sorts of philosophies need to be taught by a strong masculine role model. And the breakdown of family and cultural units has destroyed a lot of this in the west. Philosophy, metaphysics and logic isn't even taught in school. I myself hated school. It was a process of attempting to pretzel myself into something to fit society. I am valid just being, fuckers! How many people would come out of the system more whole and equipped to handle life if these subjects were taught! Existential horror is a very real thing most souls face in life, at some time or another. I digress though! This topic is about mens identity really, and their journey within finding agency. It's not about men vs women at the heart of it.

Indeed! We used science to develop rocket ships - we can measure and collect data to understand systems. What's measured makes progress. Its concrete, it's clear. The trouble with interpersonal relationships, when attempting to understand them from a logical perspective - you can't really measure anything. It all depends on internal interception, emotions, relations. All these things are intangeable and very difficult to measure. Which is where good self enquiry and analysis comes in. Know thyself. But how can you see yourself internally with precision, when you own vision is biased? Our brains filter out most information so that we can survive. You don't notice all the little cracks in the sidewalk because if you noticed all these details, you wouldnt pay attention to where you are going. It's been shown the mind fills in gaps and doesn't render what's there. Children are unable to filter out anything, as adults we learn to filter to survive. Children will stop in traffic to look at a tree. Your brain, as an adult, filters when looking at yourself and others. We see what we want to see... We filter relevant details out. It will always be difficult. This is why looking within, accurately is the only way out... Always go inside 🙏

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Damn right, like slipping on a banana peel into another dimension - oops

Disregarding data to suit some theory is a bias (your last 2 points in the original reply are giving 2 examples illustrating the same point). Oh, regarding the observer effect? Yes upon re-reading my point was a bit rushed and ended up backwards (squeezing replies in while at work >.>) I was attempting to elaborate on the point that science cannot explain the observer effect. That it (science) hasn't yet proven consciousness, but many people take it as so - hence so many people extrapolating to the woo-woo. And that there are simply some things science cannot deal with. Paranormal phenomena appears to be outside its scope. Oh and he did? Well there you go! My bad recalling and not checking. But if you believed in psychic abilities... they would exist, in your reality

No way, I was in the deepest most completely incompetent hole at that stage. Pieces of existential dread held together by vague hopes there might be something to come that wasn't punctuated by an all encompassing anhedonia. I was unemployed, recently homeless and attempting to rebuild myself after a lot of trauma. Now? Successful. In mental, material and spiritual ways. It is never too late. You have no idea what is coming around the corner. You can be certain change is the only constant. With life you sort of have to be all in, and I created a lot of my own suffering by trying to just dip a toe in and get by. From one kindred spirit to another - You have this strength in you. Whatever challenge you currently face - your biggest challenge - is there to prepare you for the next greater challenge. You won't even be able to conceive of your true abilities because it will be built up by facing these little challenges... until you are self actualized. Until you know inside you, whatever comes, you have the balls to drive into it head on <3

Aren't you just illustrating bias in many words? This is just how I perceived your passage. The observer effect indeed. I am well aware it has been misinterpreted. My point was relating to the parts of the scientific method that it stumbles over. Many people take it mean proof that consciousness exists, but it is not so (according to science that is). Which is highlighting some flaws. I think I am attempting to say in many words, to quote Leo 'Radical Open-mindedness' Cradled by sound epistemology & ontology of course! I do have good intentions - if I wanted to convey something else I intentionally inject that tone (as I have been a bit naughty in past posts) Also, I don't think Leo said anywhere these psychic abilities EXIST did he? He just reported his 'Data' experience and confirmed it would be difficult to disregard due to specific details. In the end, our beliefs shape our reality. We will see exactly what we choose to see.

I keep coming back to this question when I daydream! What if we try to understand experience outside of time - this is my attempt to force a new perspective on myself. It is my belief all experiences in all configurations must be manifest in Gods creation of 'reality'. What if time is just our experience of one single frame of energy, ie one frozen moment with these colours, these feelings, these tastes etc, but happening so quickly with so many frame changes, it is as a movie unfolding. Like framerates on a TV, or a projector running over multiple images millions of times a second. So fast we cannot register this at all, due the lower vibration/energy state of solid 'matter'. So experience would be our consciousness accessing one frame - in one possible universe - and then another, and another. Experience would be one slice of consciousness consuming sensation in an eternal moment. This is a half baked stream of consciousness thought though

It is very interesting witnessing the resistance to the validity of Leos experience with the psychic. Science isn't anti-paranormal. It is simply methodical - when given enough data, it adapts. Many things that were once considered pseudoscience or myth, have now been accepted - hypnosis, ball lighting etc Science has already begun the unravelling of consciousness via the observer effect (although not proven), although we are still in infancy with understanding the implications of such. The observer effect tends to blow peoples little brains out. There are things about this hologram we exist in that have yet to be explained. This isn't news. I feel like this is really assisting people in revealing unconscious beliefs!

Haha you reckon it was an Aussie who owned it? Lucky it wasn't a red boy, those cops would have had their shit pushed in. When there are females in season around you stay the fuck away Incidentally I had kangaroo for dinner last night - marinated BBQ >.<

HATES IT I think it is because my brain just happens to like having real world problems described, and then working out variables & relations from there to solve an application problem. Also I went as far as second year physics at university - so most of my knowledge is in application. I very much visualise the problem and then break it down to solve. I have trouble visualising proofs... Proofs sent my mind in circles - although I am confident with time and practice - I would be able to master them. But yes... HATES IT

I agree with @aurum here. Adding on - ask lots of probing questions. You need to get a good idea of where the person is at, and be adept at altering your ability to teach a subject based on their knowledge/development. So much of teaching is your ability to meet the student where they are at. It is a huge asset if you are a systems thinker, or very intuitive. The ability to view a topic from top down (the forest) and from bottom up (trees) is an asset, as some people grasp concepts from an overall perspective, and some prefer to work with details before they nut out an overall top view. If someone isn't able to grasp a concept, it usually stems from some foundational error they are haven't fully accommodated. The ability to switch perspectives and understand all sides to a problem is key. Some people have hard limits to their ability - you will find these out when you start to try to teach them, after you have an idea of their basic knowledge. If you are good at metaphor & simile this can often assist when someone cannot understand a concept. My experience is based off being a maths tutor (algebra, fuck pure maths yo), general personal coaching & training others in construction management.

The Bible has also been changed through time. I do acknowledge your point regarding Wikipedia & science though I am unsure if this is still the case, but in university you would be flat given zero points for a bibliography that cited Wikipedia. Professors would laugh you out the door...

Yes, very normal and a widely reported effect. I feel like episode one and Wave 3 iron out my brain, so to speak. My thoughts feel very clear and unmuddied by tangents and spirals of renumeration, which are more typical, as we all have running thoughts in the background we aren't fully aware of. I use them before work, and on my break, as my work is complex & stressful. I am managing many complex working systems & am required to find creative solutions to unique problems. I apply the focus gained to a task, as I feel having a direct aim induces the states easier. You could try this with contemplative work, or school work etc. It is excellent for working with complex mathematical systems. You can just float around in 'The Way to Hemi Sync' which is an introduction to the sounds, without Roberts voice guiding you. You should be able to find this on Spotify under The Gateway Experience.

Adding also - on OBEs These aren't experiences I personally feel you should aim for. The tapes are a curiosity in experience for change in state and connection. OBEs.... You know that feeling or pure terror when you suddenly trip, or fall down the last step of stairs... Or wake up feeling like you are falling as you are going to sleep? That's what OBEs feel like when you realise what's happening. There is pure terror and fear. The tapes aim to erase all that fear and train you to control it, so you don't become paralysed by it when you reach alternate states of consciousness. I think the tapes are very positive - get them in .FLAC or lossless if you can. This is just my warning to respect the Gateway Process.

Anyone exploring Gateway - a warning Do not go into this fucking about Take it slow. Read the precursor pdf. Don't move past Wave 1 until you can finish that tape with no fear. Really attempt to perform the exercises of removing and releasing fear based thoughts that come through waves 2 3 etc. Feeling your blood pumping and your body vibrating are very common, but you can have visuals show up also. Your fear based thoughts can mess with this. I have spoken on this previously. Just repeat the first waves until it's easy. Yes you will sometimes 'click out' and Monroe's voice will scare the shit out of you 🤣. Relax and enjoy, don't go into it expecting anything. The most common effects are enhanced focus, peace & a grounded, profound state of connection. OBEs really don't happen until focus 12 and up - they can happen earlier but they are very rare

Metatron's Cube - layers of silver, copper with amethyst. Gold rivets, hand made - Left Ammonite - Right Dog with floppy ear inside-out - 'God' in reverse, there are no coincidences.

I redo Focus 10 on the regular! What does your energy conversion box look like? Everyone's is so personal. Focus 12 was where things went really wonky for me with OBE stuff.