Natasha Tori Maru

That could be true - do you think most people desire happiness? I do not know what to think there, as I have only ever desired peace. And that was definitely born of a desire to escape suffering. I think you have highlighted a looping positive feedback cycle: Desire for happiness causes suffering, causes increased desire for happiness to escape the self generated suffering - ad infinitum. This business of selling happiness arising from the social domain of society is backwards ay? Peace should be the aim.

@vibv Gonna trigger some xy chromosomes

Leo onto it for you https://www.actualized.org/insights/recontextualizing-reality

Survival basically cock-blocks you For psychic crap there is no way I can proceed there and work simultaneously. It is like needing to flip a switch. At work I am a thinking dominated machine - but spirituality in general has been an unexpected boon: I do not attach to my work at all. Delivering hard truths, bad news, managing expectations etc is effortless because I do not attach anything of myself to the tasks. Even when I make an error, there is no renumeration. Just a quick assessment of what went wrong so I can adjust my SOP and move forward. No attachment to thoughts or myself in the process. It is like a videogame. You don't renumerate about your character dying because you missed the trap in the floor You reboot and go through the same cave - just step left now! I do have high standards for my conduct - fairness, always polite, courteous. Honest (as much as possible), authentic, warm and charming. I inject all those personal attributes into how I deliver the news. But at the end of the day - none of my work is me at all. So when I face personal judgement or unfairness it is like water on Teflon. This has made it effortless - and it's construction work so it is one of the more high pressure environments. I do have moments sometimes - but spirituality has directly applied in this realm. As well as the above, I am operating with programs, schedules, lead times, logistics, inclement weather, personal problems from others - a constantly shifting set of variables. A secondary effect of this work is that I have learnt to trust myself totally - I know what will happen, WILL happen. And exactly at the right time and in the right order. I know when I see the action with the highest probability to effect what I need to - and I take it as soon as I see it. Life is just going with the flow, and having the wisdom to know precisely when to take action to facilitate confluence

@Sandroew It is like spiral dynamics for awakening? If that gets the juices flowing One of the images will resonate hard ♥(ˆ⌣ˆԅ)

@Sandroew I have been seeing a similar error pop up. It doesn't read like a localised storage error to me - sounds like some sort of account storage error on the backend. Has happened on Android phone and Windows 11 for me.

It is desire in both directions isn't it? Desire to NOT suffer. Desire for happiness. Happiness seeking generates its own suffering. We generate the lack within ourselves 'I do NOT have this thing, I must get it' You create the void inside. I think there is some saying about desire/craving somewhere in my pockets

@EternalForest I do admit - the title is a play on the context we naturally inject into the word 'evolved' 🥨

@EternalForest But is more evolved better? 😜 Implied - I suppose. Perhaps women are more evolved to survive in a mud environment, wider hands and feet to move. Not necessarily better depending on environment 🙃😊🙃

@theleelajoker 🎯 It goes deeper as well. You realize adjusting the inner world changes what happens in the outer. And then you see the thinking mind runs counter to the intuitive nature of consciousness. OBE's, psychic phenomenon, remote viewing etc can all be tapped into through intuitive forms of consciousness but ONLY when the thinking mind is stopped. You realize thinking is actually pushing your focus all over the place and you are missing the key pieces you NEED to notice in reality, to punch through into the intelligence of consciousness. And that is where the openness concept comes in. Open to seeing everything and finding the precise opportunity. Probability in your field. The MOMENT you start thinking - you have an intention, an aim. And that thinking intention immediately acts to block out the opportunity that presents itself. As soon as you begin to think, you introduce bias. You blind yourself. You miss the que from reality to act. That bias needs to completely go for psychic/esp/obe type phenomenon to work. This is why meditation meditation meditation! Just my experience so far with OBE/psychic stuff and remote viewing I realize this might sound a bit odd - but the thinking mind is the enemy for consciousness work for me!

@Username My biggest issues are circulatory - I have Hashimoto's thyroiditis and Raynaud syndrome I had a really terrible time of it last year - but thankfully the Hashimoto's is in remission. Although its not something that will go away, I have minimal symptoms, stable thyroid and lowered antibodies. Going good for about 10 months now Stress reduction, diet and air quality were what I changed to achieve the above. I was on custom compound of thyroid meds before adjusting external factors. My grandmother has both conditions - and my mother has thyroid issues. By BIGGEST challenges are brain fog and circulation. The Raynauds syndrome is brutal on my hands in the Australian winter. I got frostbite in my right hand 2 months ago - I was unable to use that hand a lot and the skin just died and dropped off... The brain fog happens mostly after I eat, but it depends a lot on how difficult the food is to digest and how well I chew it. Liquid diet worked well for this, but I do sometimes feel deprived of the sensory enjoyment of food from prolonged liquid nutrition.

It sounds like he had his own toxic masculinity definition of a masculine shit test 'How much anger you got, bud?' Physical provocation. Whereas your stoic response is actually a representation of masculinity so out of his scope he had NO idea what was going on or how to read you... Sometimes when you have a deeper understanding of truth, others just have NO idea what is happening. Most of the really insidious versions of toxic masculinity/femininity are a result of such an extreme disconnection of truth/love, that ANY feeling is better than the disconnection inside. In fact... you could argue all negativity is born of the disconnection from the truth of ourselves (non-duel view) But this doesn't account for systemic evil that is structural and can perpetuate evil without anyone directly FEELING evil. Blindness to consequence... groupthink and ideology can do this by masking personal disconnection and turning it collective. I digress >.<

@ExploringReality They see anything that transmits meaning, intention, emotion, structure without a word being spoken - as language Last night the group were talking about how architecture is a type of language. And it somehow evolved to BEING being a language - 'Reality IS the message' I ended up falling asleep with the chat open >.>

The flowy flowy I am okay with - but I think you must have wisdom to take action when you recognise the opportunity to positively influence the flow

@ExploringReality Haha do we need to define strict terms for language? I have some insane friends who have some CRAZY loose terms for what they consider language....

Well... if we are all one consciousness - we are talking to ourselves Sometimes I pretend this when I feel something butting up against my ego.... to reduce humiliation. And I know exactly when I have found some more self - the compulsion to check if there is a reply is two fold ! This way when someone pokes some horrid holes in my logic - hey! it's all g boss... it was my idea and my contemplation anyway!

@MarkKol Diploma - and yeah takes 2 years. 4 years part time. I sorta have to go through with it I work fulltime and part time school - because I work in the field already they make accommodations. So weekends/nights are usually class. I need to have my builders license to continue running this business. If my old man croaks it the whole company will fold ! That's all the carpenters, my sister and 2 brothers out of work.

Agree, there are some twisted people who want to provoke distress in others. Lost touch with truth, trying to feel something in any way they can to distract themselves.

@Schizophonia This is a really great concept to understand these dynamics and where the emotional loading comes into idea debates. I can see how it gets very twisted internally and how emotions come up in what would appear like a factual idea discussion. Humans, in the end, cannot help being attached to thinking. This is 'MY' idea/concept/map. Most of the time in my own process, I have a thought or idea, and a lot less attachment to it than the typical layperson. I don't (or I try not to) attach myself to it. It does happen nevertheless. It's why when I engage in debates, especially on the forum, I am prepared to be triggered/humiliated, as it is during the discussion process I discover an emotional reaction which reveals a new attachment I was not aware of. So discussion on this platform acts to supplement my own growth and self discovery. The same mechanism is at work through every type of social interaction. It is most at play in my work environment. And I am well versed in humiliation and intellectual defeat at work, so I am somewhat hardened to the feeling and it no longer feels negative. So at the end of each day, I spend an hour or two contemplating how I reacted and to what. Where the reaction came from, and where I was attaching and deriving a sense of self to my actions and thoughts. I just do this while I walk home, walk the dog and engage in winddown routines readying for the next day. I actually welcome the feeling of humiliation. There is something there to learn This is also the reason I stress acting out in reality and engaging in the physical world to supplement the spiritual process. Reality is the reflection of the inside, and when something large shifts internally you see it play out in the real world. Sitting in non-engagement removes feedback. Most of the time though, my frustration and humiliation arises from my inability to express and communicate in a way the other person can understand.

Usually it is not suicide wanted - but the ending of this current experience. In the past it was that for me - I didn't really want to die. Just end the current iteration. When I realized the above it made me not commit suicide.

That is a better way to phrase it, and more positive - my version was quite satirical to laugh at myself

@UnbornTao So we do not require language, just differentiated experience? This topic is dense so forgive me if I am being dense in response to your quite eloquent reply above. A lizard on a hot rock. Sun - stimulus. Rock's warmth = part of the context. Shadow of a hawk passing - threat context overrides the basking = New context. In the above, symbols point to the context, and meaning is through relation? I do suppose it depends on how loosely we define language..

Personally for me - it has been essential. It has been a core tenant of my entire life, and in fact, for a while my common saying was 'I am just great at failing, recovering, learning, and trying again. I have mastered failure!' I kept going with the reframe question 'What can I learn from this?' 'Where was the mistake?' and then 'How can I prevent it from happening again?' Always looking for what I can learn. Failure isn't a setback for me. It is necessary to keep engaging in reality to test my own growth and reflect on the existential lessons there. If I don't succeed in something I look at how I contributed to it. And in general - the only things I do not succeed with are problems I do not stick with long enough. Obviously this doesn't always apply IE health, severe limitation. But if it is a problem within most of my ability to influence - I engage in reframing perpetually. A warning though: The sunk cost fallacy can get you when you have invested a lot, so you continually have to analyse the entire situation and its progress. Humans naturally value what they invest in - gotta be careful with that. Sometimes you have to intelligently know when to drop something and know you may be overvaluing it due to time invested. That's where wisdom comes in. Just my experience so far

@Rishabh R I really like your growth mindset - what's measured makes progress. You are doing some great work and bouncing back here every so often - my respect

@Joshe Haha I WAS THINKING IN MY BOOT. Who said our individual consciousness is contained within or bodies? Language and context is limited