Natasha Tori Maru

@Inliytened1 Oh no I am not being lured in - nice try Just remarking on how heated and prolonged the discussion is. There's no fight in me! Mercy !

Solipsism Ouroboros: the never-ending pooping of turd arguments only to be picked up after itself like a dog More power to you with the endurance battle here haha I would have tapped out ages ago, lest I put my face in a lawnmower

Hmmm could be a few things. Could be you are naturally gravitating away from the 'fun' of the thrill and adrenaline, and seeking more peace (very natural on the spiritual path). You might begin to feel the consequences of actions being out of alignment with personal truth ( a big issue for most, as the consequences aren't as apparent as they would be, like if you stuck your hand in the fire). This fractures your integrity (you are more brittle and less resilient) and spoils experience. Could be some attachment to self & ego - worry about how you are perceived (outside our control really). Loss prevention is interesting though - I love profiling and body language reading. I used to work managing big box multi-million dollar retail stores. It was a big deal. When confronting people I did begin to get that horrible 'rising throat tension' in anticipation. Do you get that also?

I think you nailed it All distinctions dissolving and the fear of it. Unwilling to surrender

It has gotten better the last couple of days It is a free site so I am grateful nonetheless. I still remember fucking dialup taking the home landline. Screams from family members wanting to make calls... Opening a link to a song, leaving to do some shit, and returning later for it to be loaded

@TheGod Are you feeling the illusion of the created self slip away - like a familiar environment - as you move into a state of awareness without a lot of distinctions? An alternative could be a lot of repressed emotional stuff coming up - before the self can be transcended it needs to be completely embraced, accepted. You need to go into and through it - and that can be rough

I work as a project manager in construction. The moment I try to use force, or think I have any semblance of control - it all goes to shit. I've completed maybe, 6 new medical centres, 3 bunkers for nuclear experiments (synchrotron) and countless smaller refits and extensions. The project is totally out of my control when live. I had to realise this before I had any success: inclement weather, logistics, contractor scheduling, sickness, approvals, deadlines, cost blowouts. The whole this is a nightmare of constantly shifting variables coming from the reality of the actual jobsite, the clients and stakeholders and a bunch of mistaken beliefs. I always always ALWAYS have the most success by surrendering totally to the flow of the job sequence, keeping a very keen eye on progress, and simply acting to move some element or apply my energy when the probability of success seems greatest. And all I do is just gently divert my awareness - like a spotlight checking over it all. I engage with the flow and let it take me, and simply act with wisdom when I see opportunity. But in the end I have ZERO control. I've has some miracle like shit line up to make a deadline.

You will realise you WANT to be right here, right now. You will realise there is nothing else more filled with wonder, awe, mystery and surprise than the present. Just right now in your current iteration you have completely forgotten

@Schizophonia Essentially do I take the overall question to be: 1) Let go of all the toxic masculine traits / habits (higher effort) 2) Stay in the same pattern that is more natural (lower effort) to achieve attracting a woman?

Hmmmm if you are familiar with AI - it spits out lots of fancy examples but dances around the question, with difficult topics such as these. I see patterns 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀

Show me this. Quote please. I can explain what is being said because I suspect you have not understood. I pointed out seeking happiness, as the topic, is a seperate topic to what a humans natural state is. You were the one to divert to what the natural state is - the topic is about the mechanisms behind desire.

Good catch - like 'Humility elevates you above others' a paradox that cancels itself I personally view a judgement as having an attachment - whereas discernment, rather, is detached. A judgement is a verdict, a conclusion. Evaluative/absolute/comparative A discernment is not a verdict, merely a noticing of cause & effect. Observational/descriptive This is from a spiritual sort of interpretation

This is really insightful - appreciate the thought and time you took to elaborate here The judgement, thinking and then thought attachment to the self is generating internal hatred of the peanuts (hatred being wishing the 'thing' to be annihilated from existence). Deeming it to be erased due to the myopic view 'it is bad for me, who cares about others'. Completely ignoring the experience that someone else may have - the joy of hot, crunchy peanut butter on toast. If this person where more discerning (which is open, clarity) they would see the truth of the peanuts - they are neither good nor bad. They are simply not chosen to be experienced due to negative outcome. The discernment encapsulates the wider view: noticing patterns, differences & truths with no condemnation. Appreciation for the peanuts is present, regardless of the effect on one's experience. It is easy to see how judgement can function to block the truth! Judgement carries with it a closed finality - discernment opens clarity. Oh! hell yeah - this is so common. Trying to intellectually understand without real experience and integration. Along with no structure to the teachings.

To my understanding it is literally the desire for happiness that is the issue (in that, desiring something immediately puts you in the state of not having that which you seek). This is the human bullshit blocking you from experiencing truth. I do not think a base state of happiness is the issue. It is you, sans bullshit. But seeking it another thing entirely

@Razard86 Hell yeah - my experience also 🙏

The point was that it was a derived view, not explicitly stated. I make no value judgements on your opinion. Why do you perceive sharing opinions anti-spiritual? I do not think anyone explicitly stated suffering is the natural state. Feel free to quote this 🙃 Merely showing that the seeking of happiness is the issue. Say, for example, happiness is the natural state, and we do not see it because we are sold happiness in the form of 'what you do not have'. This blinds us, creates a void inside, where we think the happiness is not. But we are indeed happy. Unable to sense it, feel it. You can see that we can be happy as a default state, and block it out in a blind attempt to seek it. Unaware it is present always

Sir, sit down and re-evaluate please.

Let us spend time eliminating the problem that there is no problem. Only to create a new set of problems to deal with survival. And this time, maybe we are happier with the new set of problems... ...because now, we have the perception of control 'I chose these problems'

It's happening again >.<

100% been my experience - meditating while fasted and collecting data through my Garmin is quite amazing. While fasted I enter deeper non-sleep states and see my heartrate drop to 20 beats per minute and below. I recommend everyone do a stint volunteering at a hospice. What you see there cannot be explained or fully comprehended. The process of dying - the self sloughs off - being is revealed. Awareness is being deconstructed, literally, before your eyes. And to witness this? There needs to be a whole host of new words in the English language to express it. Presence gathers like a gentle tide and folds you tenderly into its embrace. Witnessing natural death was the most beauty I have been present for. Agree - letting go of attachments. One engages in the flow of existence and awareness. No more internal friction is generated to pollute the individual. I think if we look at the base word 'health' - what is it really? If we take the body as an example (as this is a material reality) - it is energy balance. Homeostasis. Everything generated by the egoic 'self' introduces elements that throw consciousness out of balance. Pollute awareness.

An empty Leo sits in the Lotus Position (die knees, die) in front of a black box that displays shit, witnessing strange sounds made from fleshy beings, as light flashes and changes over a screen. An experience is being had by no one. A consciousness is data mining experience. 🥨

This is not precisely what it means. But your own personal interpretation is within your rights to have 🙃 Do you think happiness is our natural state? Or peace? I would counter this that labelling things natural or not sort of muddies the water. For you to want something implies you do not have it - that's where the 'hole of happiness' within comes from. Recognising that we are already whole, unfettered, perfect, to begin with, is key. You would never seek it if you didn't think you didn't have it. Desiring happiness can be argued as unconscious behaviour. Because you do not see the existential consequences of it.

Where was it stated it was not natural? Where do you perceive the desire for happiness comes from?

I think this is where I was going with: Trying to disengage language from the definition of context. But I realise the above could be the language of symbolism. This thread is contracting and expanding back and forth all over the place. Hard to say if it is getting closer to 'context'