AdamR95

arent we funny? haha

Yeah thats one perspective, but at same time its not arbitrary its absolutely necessary that it is this way.

@Gesundheit Yeah i know and because of that i said "in a sence". At first i had ego reactions over your replies but now i see you are very clever guy and you own your weaknessess rather then demonize them. Good for you. The funny thing is we are all hypocrates haha.

@Gesundheit i get you. You can set your own standarts for developement. But maybe there is a way you can measure it objectively in a sence that there is a thing called absolute love and you can become more and more align to that thing. But i am aware that when you get very close you realise its nothing wrong with being devil too and you can choose to being devil. lol But in a sence there is a way you can be more godlike and less godlike if you know what i mean.

"you are probably overestimating your developement" - this was actually the important part of my point. Thats all i want to say because i dont want to bring more of my projections to this. This one thing i mentioned was the thing that hit me in the eyes the most. Just one specific thing you can reflect on.

@Gesundheit you are making very good points and i can get you. I wanna say that i consider you ok as you are and i have no problem with how you are presenting yourself here. Everybody are presenting themself in some way and everybody struggle with their ego in some way. We are on the same boat. But there is one thing i want to point out that you probably wont want to hear it. And that is that you are probably overestimating your developement because you do the same things you are criticizing. Thats it, that is only thing i want to say to you. You probably gonna dissmiss it as a bullshit and that is ok too. But consider you may miss a oportunity to grow. I can very relate to you because i do the same thing as you do. Its easy to see it when someone else is doing it. And the last thing, I want to encourage us to grow together towards love. We are all on the same boat.

@Origins Maybe you are not operating here within nondualistic paradigm and i can understand that. If that is the case then we are operation from completely different epistemic foundations and we will keep disagreeing with each other. If i assume that reality isnt nondual then free will can make sence but it goes against everything i experience in my life. It isnt aligned with truth from my experiences.

@Origins It doesnt matter if its ego or not. Its content, it doesnt matter if you call it energetic field or something else its still the same thing. You are making assumption about me all the time too. You assume that i am only logical. Yeah i am very logical but logic is not only tool i use. I am using all tools i know are available. I am open to spiritual stuff like energetic fields etc. But realise its still dualistic thinking. There is only one thing wich is in control and this thing is "nothing" or "god" or "Absolute". Maybe you cant get over the fact that every attempt to gain free wil is dualistic thinking. From god perspective Free will doesnt even make sence. It demolishes your pet theories wich can have some truth in it, but cant give you free will. I can fantasize about all sorts of spiritual stuff too but i am aware of the fact that it is dualistic. I try to understand your point, but it seems to me like you are stuck in content. This is what it looks like from my perspective, i can be wrong.

@Hanna Luna @PureRogueQ Maybe because its fun? At least i do it because of that :)

Maybe God is Balance with capital B wich is balance between balance and imbalanace.

@Origins ok. I used ego as one "form" or "content" of awareness with no strict definiton. Its not that improtant though. The important thing is it is a content. No content has power over awareness. Strict definition is not needed in this context. When for example vizualization (with or without an ego) is happening to manifest something in reality, this is already content of awarness. The vizualization has no power over situation. The only thing that has power is that nothingness. But i already said that and i think we agreed on that. The disagreement is probably only in words we use. But i still stand behind the statement that it can be missleading to people saying they have free will, because they are mostly identifying themself with their ego.

I improved my levels of concioussness during last two years, but my behaviour are mostly stuck in old ways and i am in a phase in life where i am hyperaware of how full of shit my ego and my behaviour is and this drives me crazy. I am aware of my addictions and manipulations and attachments and so on. I have mood swings and sometimes laugh about how funny i am, how there is nothing to achive and so on, how i am stuck in chasing my tail looking for happynies and i am aware of the absurdity of looking for happynies but i am still stuck in this chasing for happynies, i am trying to improve my self but at the same time seeing absurdity of whole situation. I am aware of how stuck in thinking i am, how stupid i am, how selfish i am, how robotic i am. I see i have a lot of work to do but at the same time see how it is pointless. I am going throught ego backlash after backlash and so on. I am stuck in loop of desiring to not desire. And i am aware how i write this post just because i am bored. lol

@Gesundheit you think you can be perfecting yourself? lol You are chasing your tail, haha.

I 100% agree.

@Origins That is another topic. I am aware i act from an ego but thats a nature of engaging in discussions. @Origins if you use "free will" as synonym to "no input" then the free will exist. Is basicaly the same thing i am saying. But i think its missleading to state it that way because it can be easily abused by the ego. Because in my opinion its easier to let go of your ego if you realise that you have no control as an ego.

@Origins Now i think we are speaking the same thing only in different words. But its possible to confuse awerness with an ego. Ego is sneaky and often claimes ownership of an awarness and use it for manipulation. It looks to me like you still subtely identify with an ego and just dont know it. From the texts you posted here it looks that this is the case. But it could be my projection, i dont know you.

@Origins Do you see it is your ego claming that he has a power? As long as you have form you act from an ego and ego is only a puppet of god.

Your texts imply that you can manipulate reality throught awarness but the error is that you dont own awarness. Your ego tricks you into thinking that you can use awarness to manipulate reality.

You can operate within materialistic paradigm or spiritual paradigm it doesnt matter. Free will doesnt work in any of these paradigms. Every process wich is happining within a concissness is just happening without any input. The "no input" is in anotherwords gods will. It happens for no reason. You can say it is in a sence free will but then what happens is that the ego try to take ownership of that. The ego manipulate that notion of no input as justification for free will. And it doesnt matter if you think within determinism or randomness or anything else. These things are just conceptualizing of the same thing wich is gods will. Determinism and randomness means literaly the same thing. Its only our ignorance wich makes that distiction. And free will works the same, it is a concept wich colapses every time you look deep enough. You gave me kind of a exersise wich i do all the time, its my passion. I love to look deep into myself and contemplating deeply. But the answers i get are so hard to put into words, i think i almost reached a limit what i can express through words now. Try to contemplate for yourself what i have said if you want. I think i am done now.

@Origins And it depends on the definiton too. So if you define free will as a feeling of making a choise then that is real, in that case free will exist. But it doesnt change the fact that it is an ilusion.

i Know i am pushing my view a little too much. I know i am not humble in these conversations, i am full of my ego and i am aware of it. But i think i know something you may be missing and i want to point it out. Im taking into account others point of view too and i am able to change my mind as i did many times in the past. And free will is one of the point of view i needed to let go of because i saw its delusion. And i am still open to change my mind but there were no arguments to this topic that i dont take into account already in the past. In this topic i prove to myself many times that free will is something that cant exist. Same way that round square cant exist. Its obvious on so many leves if you are conciouss enough. Its literaly more certain then the sun will rise tomorow.

@Origins Ok i overlooled that comment. The argument is that awarness is a different thing than thinking, am i right? But that is irelevant. Your pure awarness is free but you not control your awarness. Pure awarness is god but you have no control over god, god has control over you. You have free will in a sence that you are god, but that doesnt give a power to your ego. What happens... happens and ego has no choise about it. And if you live from gods point of view then free will lose its meaning completly. As god you already made everything the way it is, nothing can change it. Free will makes sence only from egos perspective. Its ilusion.

@Origins There is value, you dont want to see it. I have good intention, i give you another perspective but you refuse it, its ok though. This assume that your ego has control over your actions, intentions, visions and energy. But it isnt the case. Vizualization has some power but has limitation too. And ultimatly it is not you who is doing the vizualization. How more direct i can be? I had same thinking as you before but when i tested that through direct experience i discovered i was delusional.

@Origins i am addressing them directly. You just dont see the connection. Your whole theory assume you can control something and that is not true. Therefore you cannot manifest anything you want. You can sometimes experience something manifesting through your vizualization but you ignore the cases when it isnt manifesting. That is comfirmation bias, you only see cases when it works. And more importantly you ignore that you are not the one who is vizualizing. The vizualization is happening but you are not doing it. You can refuse my point of view but then you miss the value it can give you if you dare to contemplate it. My assumption is that you dont want to contemplate it because it completely undermines your pet theory. You want me to discuss within the theory but i am saying the theory is delusional in the first place.

@Origins Because you cant control your thoughts, that is something i cant prove to you, you can only prove to yourself. @Origins Exactly! If my ego has control over the situation then i can vizualize into reality that you understand what i have said. But you dont, thats example reality contradicting what my ego wants. But from gods perspective this is fine, god wants to argue with itself from milions of perspectives and my ego has no choise about it, do you see it now? And ofcourse i can be totaly wrong, because i am limited and i am talking from my limited experience. But dont think you know it better, think it throught and then see if i am wrong.