mandyjw

That's a limiting belief. If you want something to work you make it work. If you want to lose weight you don't overeat junk food. If you want to stay true to your partner, you don't sleep with other people. Easy. Do you still want to eat a whole bag of potato chips sometimes? Yep. That's doesn't mean you have to actually do it. In fact it's way easier to control those instincts with sex than with food. For real.

@whoareyou I like to think of it as just like there are different levels of intelligence in people, there are different levels of awakening or enlightenment, let's call it "spiritual intelligence." You can use intelligence to make an atom bomb or to cure cancer. The same "choice" exists within spiritual intelligence. Some do great things, some awful and some stay paralyzed in fear of their own power.

@whoareyou There is a type of awakening that intensifies your personality and ego. You see the world as you, but you see it as your oyster. You're completely high on power, drunk. You have charisma and people are inexplicably attracted to you. Then you are called to throw it all away AGAIN and see it all as emptiness again. But some people take that power and run with it, or they know nothing else. This is the same dynamic with rock stars and what lead to the #metoo movement. People get drunk off power. Enlightenment gives you power. If you think that you're finished with enlightenment when you awaken, you're not, you have to integrate the ego again, you finally see how much of your ego you were repressing when it's finally free to come out. Go home Mooji, you're drunk. I wish that people could just offer what they have to the world without ruining it. It's funny that enlightened spiritual teachers are making the same mistakes as Donald Trump. The truth is we'd still rather elect Donald over Hillary and we'd rather continue to respect and listen to all these spiritual teachers like Mooji and Osho rather than have to listen to a woman instead, because everyone knows that power makes women ugly and submission makes them a hot piece of ass.

@Leo Gura We already figured this problem out as a society, monogamy. It doesn't always work but it works better than anything else we've found yet. Of course, it's not for everyone. It doesn't work for chimps but it works for Canadian geese. @abrakamowse I'll check her out, thanks.

@abrakamowse Well if your intent is for things to run smoothly, I guess that's what you have to do. Masons do it, and most religions do it to some degree. It shouldn't be a problem in nonduality, except apparently anything goes so we're especially fucked. How many books on enlightenment have been written by women? How many female enlightened masters are there? Apparently women are only capable of fawning over a master and not being there for purely spiritual reasons. They are a distraction, bad luck, too emotional, not to be taken seriously. If someone wants to be valued, they will either leave or find a way in which they can be valued. Finally respect women as equal spiritual beings as a community and these things won't happen.

One solution is just to exclude women from your spiritual communities. No temptations, no problem.

@now is forever No duality, both true, both false.

@now is forever He's off on his hero's journey, he doesn't know yet, don't be so harsh on him. The quote at the end, it was all a farce.

But the beauty is that the obstacle is the way. Maybe the Devil is doing us a kindness. Maybe when he spoke to Eve in the garden of Eden he saved humanity. Do you really want to bestow the understanding that there is no good or bad on everyone? The Devil is enlightenment. You reach satori and he stands there to meet you. All of the things you ever wanted, the entire world, it's yours. If you aren't wise enough to say no again this time, to dissolve into ordinary nothingness again, the devil is your Master. Your self is your master.

Reading Ramaji's book "1000" has made me really rethink how I judge spiritual teachers. Up to a point spiritual attainment is like intelligence, it can be used for good or bad purposes. This has shattered my ideals and world so bad I want to curl up in a ball and cry for my Mommy. Less than judging other spiritual teachers I'm terrified of myself and Mommy can't help me now. Too many things to reconcile, but there IS no good and bad, so the mind has nothing left to do but give up and turn off.

@Zweistein In April I started a journal with tsuki thinking he could help me let go of an attachment I had to a story, and I ended up beginning to channel and he guided me through an awakening. It completely turned my life upside down. The journals are gone now, it got way too personal and out of hand. I got pretty attached to the nondual conversations with him and nowisforever. tsuki showed me the thread with you guys and said you were the only other two he had conversations like it with. I'm trying to tame the ox, let go of the mind again and I'm seeing what a devil I was/am. So maybe I'm just beginning to understand the need to leave the forum? I'm not sure about anything though.

@Zweistein Hi, I'm Mandy. Apparently you are mythical unicorn.

Awesome, thank you!

I didn't even know that video existed until tonight when he mentioned it. I laughed so hard.

Everything you know is a lie. Everything, even conflicting statements, are true, paradoxically. So both you and I having this conversation, this "disagreement" are two halves of a whole. We're both right, and we're both lying story tellers. Your reality, my reality, our reality, reality. There's just one reality, yet you and I both live different lives on some level, otherwise we couldn't be having this conversation.

Osho was enlightened but he got stuck in a phase. There's more after "enlightenment" and people disagree about what they want to call enlightenment depending on what they've read, seen or experienced. That's why these conversations can be so polarizing. Read Ramaji's book 1000: The Levels of Consciousness and a Map of the Stages of Awakening for Spiritual Seekers and Teachers. If I'm full of shit in my assessment of Osho, so is Ramaji I guess.

Whoa.

Joseph!!! We do need to integrate him, but past a certain point he just loses his appeal. You still invite him to the party, but after a while his jokes just aren't as funny because you've heard them all before, because you realize that you made them up, and you're the punchline. And that's exactly why you know you need to do shadow work right now.

@Karla There's nothing wrong with stopping and pondering! I got the list just last night and am blown away by the first book I chose to start from it. I felt overwhelmed just like you did but just pick the one that appeals to you the most to start with and enjoy it. If you're fascinated enough with a book you won't be able to put it down. There's no "there" to get to, the list isn't going anywhere.

We're all just story tellers. @jbram2002 was just at the right time and place to see the lochness monster for himself.

Bahahaha Osho should talk. He got stuck in the zone of zen devilry.

@now is forever Hypocrisy from who in particular? @Zigzag Idiot I've observed the same thing in myself.

Oh, you're killing Buddha. I get it now.

Right before Leo's episode came out when he first started talking about how we will experience everything, I heard a Pema Chodron teaching on this poem. It was such a realization and taught in such a gentle way that I was primed to hear Leo's message before it was delivered. I felt that Leo's delivery was still incredibly harsh but if I hadn't heard this taught beforehand I don't know if I ever would have accepted it. To me it's a certain wholeness and compassion rather than a literal idea that we will literally experience everything. It's like having the essence or acknowledging your capability of an experience within rather than any prediction of an actual experience. I can try to find that Pema Chodron recording if you'd like?