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@Shin Face what, there's nothing here. No face to face.

@Preetom You must be both a rebel and a devotee simultaneously. The Civil war in your mind will free you from slavery, even though the slave isn't the one who is fighting in the war.

I agree, I'm not sure why it shouldn't be worthy of youtube.

@Etherial Cat For some reason I had assumed you were American. Why are there so few Americans on this forum??? It's seriously destroying my skewed American centric world view. Hey Leo, I was born in the US, so if you want, I'll run for President for you, I'll be the face, and you can do all the hard work. As a bonus, I'm really good at saying stupid things out of the blue, just like George W Bush. The American people really seem to appreciate that kind of thing.

I'm already dead, I gave up my faith already, the war has already been fought. You stand over me with a knife but I'm not afraid.

The server is infinite, silly.

Itchy nose meanings. https://www.ryanhart.org/itchy-nose-meaning/ @tsuki I am in love with myself.

@tsuki othership sounds too much like mothership for me not to make a wordplay joke that ended up being really funny and nondual because I was talking to Leo, about the leaders of our country. Then I started playing his video exactly where he was talking about aliens. It was great.

@Leo Gura If so many people weren't idiots who continually take on mortgages for home they can't afford, get themselves into credit card debt and take our massive student loans the Great Recession wouldn't have happened. There are many different defenses against evil and misfortune and teaching personal responsibility is YOUR forte. It's also the conservative highest value. I'm not saying that who shouldn't be so interested in politics, you should I just hope that you fully understand your potential here. There's something to learn from everyone, every racist country bumpkin redneck knows something about the universe that you don't know. It's all pure potential, don't overlook anyone because in doing so you only underestimate yourself.

I came into this world KNOWING I was both the Devil and God. Other people have confused me all my life. tsuki calls me a repressed saint and Leo calls me the Devil. Why do I create other people? Why is confusion better than being alone? I think the only kind of people who pursue nonduality are the type that HATE surprise parties. Then you get rewarded with the realization that life is just ONE BIG SURPRISE PARTY THAT YOU'RE THROWING FOR YOURSELF. At least there's cake.

othership, mothership? take me to your leader. now i sound like nowisforever.

@Leo Gura Jesus was radical but he wasn't dealing with a democratic government. We have to be realistic about how much we can make a change within an existing framework. Hearts have to be changed before minds can be. Minds have to be changed before physical change is made. I recently saw this engraved on the only black guy's grave in the old cemetery here in my town. "The war of the rebellion freed the slaves." The backlash came before the slaves were freed, the backlash started the war and the loss of the war was what freed the slaves. Abraham Lincoln quoted Jesus to say that "A house divided against itself cannot stand", the disagreement about the issue of slavery was too great. Do we need another civil "war"? Or do we need to integrate and compromise with one another? Everything you do is ultimately something you do to and within yourself. Republican, rural, conservative values are not worthless. While they are very difficult to respect sometimes, they must be appreciated and they must be integrated or we are fooling ourselves that we are conscious. Go spend a year working on a farm somewhere. Forgot your education and work with your hands under the sun. There is a certain kind of wisdom that hard physical work, that the earth so gracefully imparts on you. You don't get a degree to show for it, but it's real and it humbles you and opens your heart. Why do you like Bernie, why is his image the way it is? Because he's from Vermont and knows how to govern a rural state. Why do you think so many of Jesus' teachings were stories and parables about farming and fishing? Why do you think he worked as a carpenter? The Pharisees were the learned ones, he was down to earth. If you want to be a Christ you need to learn to understand these people, you need to become one. Time to get your hands dirty Leo.

@Leo Gura Jesus stayed out of politics and the government, in fact he really disappointed a lot of his followers. They tried to blame him for inciting people against Rome, because they had a hard time coming up with a good reason to crucify him but he never did that. He told people to pay their taxes and he resisted when they tried to force him into becoming a king. Jesus was a healer and a spiritual teacher. He knew his life purpose and stuck to it. He didn't try to be a radical, it just happened to be the case. I do see your point but is there no room for mediators and compromises? Isn't that the purpose of understanding other people and using the model of spiral dynamics? Too much change too soon causes collective ego backlash, and that's what Trump embodies. We have a two party system, and an electoral college that decides for us. If the popular vote decided the election Hillary Clinton would have won. Rural American gets more weight in elections and you have to apply your understanding of spiral dynamics. Bernie might work out. He had a great shot in the last election but we can sit here and blame the DNC and corruption there for that. Bernie better understands rural America and how to speak to people. I think he is seen as too polarizing now. You're very well educated, and you've spent your life around people who are also well educated. Spend some time living in rural America and you'll have a different world view. I'm not sure that you realize how intimidating a politician who doesn't hide their intelligence is to people who don't have a good education. You have to know how to talk to people on their level. Bernie knows this. Hillary Clinton had little understanding of it and neither does Elizabeth Warren. Warren would be my top pick if it was up to me, but it's incredibly difficult for anyone to come off as both highly intelligent, capable AND down to earth. How do you think Bernie and Warren's messages sound? Canceling student loan debt? When I've spent my life working a blue collar job and no one in my family has a college education? When the few people I know who have gone to college look down their noses at me? What planet do you even live on? Uneducated people look at intelligence as the highest form of Devilry. There's a reason Bill Clinton, George W Bush, Obama, literally ALL the Presidents had a persona that all people could see themselves in. Clinton and Warren spent their lives trying to prove themselves to intelligent men, and they forgot the importance of not alienating the rest of the country that wasn't as blessed with the opportunities they had for education. It's not their fault that women have to work so hard to prove themselves, or that they feel they have to. But it is their fault for carrying a chip on their shoulder that other people can see from a mile away.

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@Leo Gura You're more optimistic than me. I would rather put in a democrat who is a waste of a term than risk Trump getting a second term. Ironically, I just mentioned the law of attraction but I'm not being very mindful of it right now am I? The problem I see is that both Warren and Sanders have been branded as extremists. Moderates and frustrated Republicans WILL come out to vote against Trump as long as the democratic candidate doesn't scare them away.

Can we please just have boring old Joe Biden, he's friendly, kinda cute and most importantly he's NOT SO POLARIZING. The law of attraction made Donald Trump president. Everyone who voted came to vote AGAINST a candidate not FOR them.

Huh? What did I even say? May 26th was a lifetime ago, I am definitely not responsible for anything I said that long ago.

I can't even remember exactly why I started believing in it, it was only a few months ago a few mildly LOA examples came into my life and then I accidentally discovered Abraham Hicks as a direct result. A year or so before I hated the idea of it. I even found an old post I had written to someone on an Eckhart Tolle discussion page where I was harping about the evils of it. It's kind of bizarre how my mind even got opened to it in the first place. Life is happening for you. @Mikael89 You're smart, valuable and worthy of God's love. You'll open up to her someday, I know it.

Fear has become an obsession of mine. From the very start of trying to listen to my intuition I've found that fear is the thing that appears to block me from Knowing. But, it also can be an indicator that I'm on to something really good. Due to a strange family dynamic, my parents started their life together in fear for their lives and I have always had a lot of anxiety that was reinforced by my parents. On top of that I had obsessive compulsive disorder which for me resulted in random out of the blue impulses to do and say things that inconvenienced me, embarrassed me or terrified me. Mindfulness and maturity simmered them down but before a recent awakening they came back. They often pick my most vulnerable fear and play it over and over in my head until I realize that following through with action and facing the fear is nothing compared with resisting it. Trusting in them is difficult. Today they lead me to a hiking trail I that never knew existed. I ended up at this secluded cove, and had an impulse to strip off and swim in the freezing cold ocean. My heart started pounding. "For real? Do I really have to actually do this?" I thought about what would happen if I drowned somehow, or what if someone showed up and saw me, and I realized that the possibility of shame was WAY more powerful manifestation of fear than death or discomfort. So I did it, and I never even felt how cold the water was or how sharp the rocks were under my feet. The whole actual experience was nothing. Examining my fear I realize that I think I have these really big fears but they are imaginary. Everything is fear, annoyance is a form of fear and maybe it all can go in the "resistance" category. In fact my biggest fears are a projection of a future that is just mildly torturing. The thought of time always needs to be included with fear, I'm not afraid of losing a limb because it would hurt really bad, but mostly because life without it would be really hard for a really long time after. Mosquitoes and biting flies are annoying, but they can in the right situations get so thick that they can actually kill you. It's all fear. I realize that everything good is on the other side of fear. Courage is love that overpowers fear. Is fear a form of love? If so how does it appear to block us from love? Every practice we do to realize oneness involves working through fear. Psychedelics are terrifying, my OCD impulses are terrifying, meditation is terrifying when you think about it, you're locking your mind, your self in a dark cave of nothingness. Shadow work is working with our shame and it's terrifying. Everytime you give in you realize that there was nothing there all along. What is the purpose of shame? We have to live by rules as a society so those that act outside those rules and agreements are subject to feeling shame. In fact shame keeps people from doing things that society would have to punish in the first place. Shame is protective in a way then, right? Just like fear of death, it keeps you from walking up to a bear in the woods and patting it. When my sister was a little kid, a black bear cub came in our yard and she went up and patted it thinking it was a dog. It's one of the reason that kids are absolutely exhausting to parent, because you have to keep them safe from themselves all the time. Yet to be enlightened you must become like a child again. Is it possible, or even desirable to dissolve all fear?

He must really want us to keep discussing then. Lobster used to be fed to prisoners, used as fertilizer and everyone hated it. Now it's a delicacy. Ancient Egyptians used to throw brains away useless when they mummified people because they thought they were unimportant. What creates a thing? What makes a thing useful or useless, desirable or unwanted? Do psychedelics have any meaning outside of whatever meaning you create for them to have? It seems like other people created the meaning and purpose for things, it doesn't seem like we created it.

@Mikael89 You don't believe in nonduality? You believe that there is truth and untruth? Are you still fighting for peace?

Don't be afraid or concerned, Leo is already doing this, all of his students are already creating their own image with or without the use of physical psychedelics.

@electroBeam This sounds really silly, but it's through love, you love them and they love you back. That goes for both gurus and trees. All trees are one, all trees are sacred. Sometimes you find one that's willing to be a symbol to you, to teach you the nature of the greater world. The tree that was the most symbolic to me was a tree that had grown into two and was breaking apart. I heard it splitting apart in the woods and I went to it and it showed me the nature of duality, how we are separate but together at the same time. I have since found by reading Nahm's posts here, that there's an actual word for that, holon. To make that particular tree even more interesting, one side is breaking and appears to be torn apart and the other side appears completely whole and undamaged.