mandyjw

We are all here to help each other see those blind spots but it can only occur in a space of love. That's why I thought that Abraham Hicks quote was so powerful, we aren't here to teach one another lessons, we're here to help spark insights in one another. Sometimes those seem to be intentionally orchestrated and sometimes they are completely accidental. The hierarchy of teacher and student, intentional or unintentional has to disappear for real insight or growth to occur.

Tsuki, that's just the nature of the ego. Everyone's ego is a narcissist and our lives are lies. It isn't personal. I watch mine play out daily as I purify and love it through its fight. Loving acceptance and conciousness are the only way, just observing as if you are the author of your life, is the only way to see it and change the direction of the story. We know how to see straight through your story and what we see is brilliant and worthy of love. What we see is ourselves in you. You may have a lot of work in front of you to integrate this in your marriage and day to day life and interactions. This is when the real benefits of this work will unfold and become integrated. This is when true courage is called for. Will you take the apple?

There are no other people tsuki.

That's not true. I titled the journal "Is this journal mine or yours" because I knew we both had something that needed to be integrated and I had no idea who was teaching who. I tried to get the upper hand on a few occasions and you always pinned me down. That was a gift, a selfless sacrifice on your part. But you wouldn't fully accept or honor that I had anything to give. There were windows and openings but it was never logically acknowledged. That's why I had such a hard time feeling like I couldn't accept a gift, because I never got the full exchange I foresaw. As time passed the chasm grew wider. You wouldn't let go of the hierarchy. I played the part. Consciously, of my own free will. I was never your toy, neither was anyone else. There was never a hierarchy.

This is an interesting discussion in hindsight.

I'm not saying that you don't get permanent growth, awakening and insights from psychedelics, I'm saying that they allow you the luxury of being able to plan ahead and schedule a disruption to your life in and give you time to yourself to process it. Imagine that your perception of time, self and other is altered for days, you assume that it's going to last forever, but you have to maintain a tight schedule and are responsible for two little kids the entire time. The method that someone attributes to being responsible for "their" awakening will inevitably cause them to have biases as they struggle to understand it after the fact. There are many different circumstances that can cause someone to fully surrender and experience the truth of no self. That's one way in which this forum is so incredibly valuable, who knows what potential there is to discover ways to help others awaken no matter what their position is in life. That's why it's so important not to disregard someone based on whether they did or did not take a psychedelic or practice a specific method. Everyone wants to assume that the trajectory or path of their own evolution can be used as a map for others. It can't, but bits and pieces of direction may be gleaned from it.

Eckhart Tolle mentions various realizations that occurred before his awakening. There's a story of him following a crazy woman speaking to herself from the train onto his campus, being shocked that she was a professor and then looking in the mirror as he mumbled something to himself and realizing the insanity in himself. There are other stories like this about his life pre-awakening that he tells occasionally. The very inconvenient thing about a spontaneous awakening is that you will be left barely functioning and you will have no idea for how long. You will likely believe it will be always, you may not care of you may live a life where this has major consequences. The thing about psychedelics is that one always expects that they will eventually wear off.

It's not a particular plant or even a psychedelic itself, it's pointing to something deeper. You're on the right track though. The Bible is a book that has had an incredible amount of intention, questioning, emotion and contemplative energy poured into it over many lifetimes. Symbolism is powerful, and symbols in a way maintain power of shared emotion or intention to understand and experience God over lifetimes. Just like the moon or an apple are things that we think we experience, they are widely or universally shared experiences and they have a certain power because of that. In the same way the Bible is significant, both as a symbol itself and as a book full of symbols. The entire book of Revelations is a fun riddle. If you enjoy Christian symbolism I really suggest checking out this author, Mischa V. Alyea.

I think it's much much messier than psychedelics vs meditation. If someone without a good foundation in personal development and in life in general takes psychedelics it's game of Russian roulette. If the same person meditates, there is a good chance that they are going to have positive, albeit slow positive growth. However if you take a highly developed person, the psychedelics have a high potential of being transformational. Especially since a highly developed responsible person probably has a lot of ideas about what life is about and how it should go. There are those who desperately need structure and those who need to let the fuck go of it. Not everyone is coming from the same direction or has the same pieces of the puzzle. I had an awakening without ever having a regular meditation practice or taking a psychedelic. Looking back I spent my entire life "meditating" and searching for truth and just generally searching for feeling good, without having any idea of an end point. Ignorance was very helpful and yet in the end, had to be let go of.The more I try to understand it or credit some circumstance or choice I made with it, the more confused I get.

How could apples be compared with apples when the real work is done not during the trip or the meditation but in the space between? Maybe that's exactly why psychedelics seem to be so effective, they require so little of your time and you have something external to thank for your insights so there's less temptation to trust in your own effort.

I believe so, in moderation. I like the Lindsay naturals brand, I wouldn't buy the traditional canned black olives, there's some chemical processing that goes into producing that color and flavor.

"You are running around this planet as cooperative components to one another. Not to do bad things to each other and not to teach each other lessons, but to sift through the data to put things in your vortex to which you inner being is already aligned so that you can experience the joy of alignment." Abraham Hicks

You can't know what love is. You can become it though.

No one is saying that this is your imagination or choice of perception. Before you can treat a wound you must acknowledge that it's there. Then you treat it in whatever way is necessary based on the severity of it, but the actual healing happens on its own. Keep in mind the analogy that Leo used in his most recent video. Enlightenment is not a single mountain that you can climb, it's a whole fucking mountain range. You've been going around comparing your progress with your wife's and others here based on the high mountain you're sitting on the peak of, not realizing that others have explored different parts of the mountain range that you were ignoring as unimportant the whole time. This is not the time to throw nonduality out the window, but it is time to scan the horizon and finally come down from the peak of that single mountain you've mastered and explore the rest of the range.

I as the absence of me have had the privilege to see you for the perfect brilliant being that you are. I as Mandy have seen the other as well. I chose to see one version and not the other, because I am able to do so. You can chose to do the same. Your inner being never looks back. Focus on who it is that you are, who you are seemingly becoming, focus on the light that is revealed when what was clouding it is removed. You are brilliant after all Tsuki.

When a sign or deity like that comes to you, study it. What is it leading you to embody in yourself?

You in your limited state will have a personality, likes and dislikes and resonate with certain things and people. If you are open spiritually you may resonate with certain energies, and certain energies may lead you to have experiences and those experiences can have profound effects on the course of your life. Nonduality, is the reason why this can occur, and it happens where nonduality and duality merges. Remember that because of the nature of nonduality you cannot separate it from duality. That can be a tricky thing to "understand". That's why you can appear to have had past lives or to be contacted by certain nonphysical personalities. However you could say that oneness is the background through which everything is occurring.

Unconscious patterns hurt those we are closest to and love the most the worst. Your wife is you.

@tsuki

@Nahm I can't know the grave ity of the situation.

No, but he asked questions and received insights. Can anyone explain God? Does that make God a fiction? Yes and no.

Everyone gets attached to their own methods, no matter what they are. It's fine to love the methods you use, but pure love is non-attachment. Just like you appear to have come here as a person, you'll have to discover your own path, teachers and methods, but all those things are fiction and part of a story. Do you want to write in a too-good-to-be-true solution to the "problem" in your story? Or would you rather make it into a more complicated quest and scavenger hunt?

Sit under an apple tree, it will answer your questions like it answered Newton's. This is because your actual mind encompasses physical reality. Even though you took away the distinction in your own mind the effects of gravity are still a greatly desired physical state. Question and contemplate whose desire is this?