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ahh okay nice .. Im here for it all though longterm

@Leo Gura I'm not trying to misquote you or something, but when you said "My goal is to create the most advanced and clearest philosophy for mankind which synthesizes science, rationality, and mysticism" is that just one of your goals and the goals of actualized.org? Im wondering if personal development is still a big goal of actualized.org? Things like more practical fields too like creativity, investing, emotions, etc.? Honestly I try my best to learn about that stuff when you share, but I feel like it'll take me time to invest deeper into that stuff, those other areas of reality until I achieve baseline levels of self and life mastery.

@Leo Gura Well its a good thing I don't eat eggs lol But nah I hope you're wrong. Though now feels similar to the dotcom hype to crash.

@Leo Gura one big thing I've been trying to understand is if its true that "USA needs to win the AI development war so as not to be dominated by China." Eric Schmidt for example is big on this. Sometimes I can see merit to this. Other times, I question whether I have some bias here or some blind spot or some truth I'm missing. From one angle the manhattan project was just that. Us winning led partly to hitler being stopped, if I understand correctly. To add to that Trump, even though I know how incredibly corrupt he is, is activating this AI development largely. So is he doing good here? or is this whole thing grounded in falsehood. I don't even know how to derive at the truth here. It could also just be a way for America to get more power, maybe its just Eric's biased towards being identified with the US military. USA is always on a drive to get more and more power. It could just be that. It could be that these powerful people use some truth to support a largely false argument, to weaponize some truth, or it could actually be true, which maybe I'll never know without all the facts.

@Leo Gura loll yeah I can see that being possible with him, my biggest internal struggle is sorting truth from falsehood. It's frustrating at times. Reality is messy

@Leo Gura I don't think we can honestly know what is true and what is not for the most part sitting on the outside sidelines. Hype train bias? for sure. I've seen he's all AI-biased. He has an argument for every possible AI scenario being on the positive side of history. He doesn't think there's a negative scenario in AI for the most part, which sounds too biased.

@Leo Gura I know Jensen is biased actually also. The way he holds trump as god is quite off. But other times he comes off as quite honest. Who knows though? Yeah financial incentive on that level can do that kind of stuff though, so its quite possible. I'm quite put off by the AGI phenomena now. I now rarely listen to Sam Altman, Peter Diamandis, etc. Peter and his crew are so so so caught up, as it seems now from my POV, its almost shocking. They get off on the hype train. What I'm trying to do is not form an opinion on the actual final conclusion in 5 years because there are traps and lies everywhere.

Then why is most of NVIDIA employees using AI-assisted coding? (well thats what Jensen claims at least) And that phone agent video is quite spot on. I was ordering dominoes many months ago, or when I have to get a visit to the doctor, I always immediately say "Transfer me to a human right now." Not saying I like the experience, but I guess it financially does the job for companies, whether its quality experience or not.

@Leo Gura AGI is different from developments in coding. AGI is largely fantasy with some truth and evidence and direction.

@Leo Gura yes right now it can't. But the entire silicon valley right now is using a coding IDE. It doesn't code everything but most serious programmers are using cursor. Y-combinator has evidence on their batches, and they report that more than 50% are using cursor. https://fly.pieter.com/ .. this is also a video game made by Pieter Levels. I'm not saying the tech is ultra good enough to do big things. I'm just saying its far better than it was 6 months ago. If it's far better, its more and more doing more capable things. Design has improved immensely. 3D environments as well. Corporate wise, AI phone agents are now replacing many actual receptionists, and they are good. AI lead generation systems as well. The technology right now is crude yes, but its getting better and better each month.

@Leo Gura your evidence is a video of a guy who says the stuff that I experienced myself as well many months ago. I get where he's coming from. But again, just last month things changed a lot. https://geo-void-explorer.lovable.app Try this for example. It's a 3D space, with beautiful visuals, etc. I did this with a single prompt. It's fluid motion, and no errors. I literally just did a single prompt with Gemini 3 pro. Before this it was doing terrible design, buggy code on basic CRUD apps, etc. These opinions are a bi-product of the tech of where its at right now, but to react at what's there right now and think that that's the future is premature. And keep in mind, I'm not a coder and stuff. For people deeply involved, they are getting 100x more value than me. People who are frustrated just don't know how to use the tools, and are also using wrong tools, or expecting something when the tech isn't ready. They are actually improving and I constantly see that over time. To think also that it's used up all the data of the internet for training is also wrong. Clearly it used that up a long time ago so then why are many areas of application dramatically improving?

@Leo Gura Your claim that they are bad at coding is so limited. I code with them on a daily basis. It's gotten so good to the point that I can make a fully coded app front-end without a single error, in 1 shot prompting, and the design is unlike anything I see online. This was possible in the past 1 month with Gemini 3 pro release. You are talking about tech that's 8 months ago. When was the last time you actually tried coding with it, because if you didn't your opinion is out-dated and philosophical. And sure, they lie a lot, but I'm looking often at what I can see with my eyes - the laundry example in robots, the video game that Pieter Levels made with AI, etc.

@Leo Gura To even claim they're over-invested means you understand what they're working on, the convergence of these technologies, that you're deep in the weeds of seeing what's working and what's not, but can you honestly say you're doing all that? To speak from a very high level philosophical view is, in my opinion, limited and biased. To say they're enslaving, well you might be right there. I already have friends enslaved by these companies lol But if they weren't enslaved by these companies, they'd have a different kind of shittier life.

@Leo Gura I don't know if you realize this but you go back and forth a lot between "we will have insane robots", "its quite possible there will be massive job loss", etc. and that all this is just hype and stuff. But you're right, we don't know if this is going to work. But if you look at actual evidence that Figure put out, its actually doing a) real work at BMW, and b) continuous progress, like in its folding laundry example. It's showing learning behavior in things its not taught. If you just look at the progress, evidence, direction the tech is heading, you'll see its quite possible. I don't know why we have to conclude so easily that this isn't happening. Often you categorize all these people as just "tech bros", and their is understandably a lot of corruption and hype, but you're underestimating what they're doing, what they know, etc. Do you think they're stupid to dump so much money in all this? They did before things panned out. Now if you look at Gemini for ex. its genuinely phenomenal at coding. People are making video games on it, when you said it's just good at websites for example. It's constantly proving people wrong.

@Leo Gura If you think about it, its not in the company's best interest to do that. This NEO case doesnt represent the entire robotics industry. Having third world country employees running these robots is massive limits on capability, communication, efficiency, etc. Companies like Figure are building fully autonomous robots. The true competition right now is for AI development, autonomy, increasing capability, and "learning systems". That's where the true growth is. I'm sure there will be scam robots along the way, but there are also scam AI companies too, but you see most americans using pretty high quality AI systems like ChatGPT, gemini, etc.

Lol the amount of recent profile visits you have ..

@Leo Gura regarding aliens its always hard for me to sort out truth .. how do you do it? checking multiple sources? credible sources? anything deeper?

@Leo Gura for anyone stage orange, including me or Owen .. thats too threatening to ego. But I also found that even just slowing down, that alone allows me to tap into more intelligent living, for its own sake, not even for material reward, and systems thinking, exploring multiple perspectives, enjoying intellect, etc. Theres this middle ground between that sort of monkey living and not doing anything of just this slow, but deep living thats been very rewarding. I can give examples of who does it: Pavel Durov, Ray Dalio, George Leonard, I believe you also based on some of the videos I watched. This is far more rewarding, and suitable imo for stage orange people to transition into higher conscious living. I mean realistically do you think anyone who isn't on the high levels of development can stop for 2 years and do nothing in a cabin? It's just too painful and hard imo. Maybe one day with enough development. I found over time that Gary V and Owen are just not as intelligent as I thought. I don't think you can be when you're so fast paced. Then again Elon is extremely intelligent at a fast paced so maybe there are exceptions.

@Leo Gura Yes its 2 things I see: his genetics, which yes I'm far from. But also I mean not to be mean or blanket statement it, but its just monkey living. I can't live like that. I feel miserable. I've tried that many times. When I get impatient I try that and it always backfires. I don't think he's happy at all, and in fact I see his life over the past decade becoming more angry, egoic, and neurotic. I think he lost a lot of his heart from how he's been living. I don't see how thats any way to live.

@Leo Gura Yes not saying all his ideas are bad. But much of his philosophy you can pull from statements like "You have 5 tanks, keep going till the last tank", "I slept 4 hours and then did back to back bootcamps/free tours", "we were just mad men running around the streets ter*orizing women" .. I mean I can go on. I've tried these ways many times, this Elon musk style "work every waking hour". You lose sight of holistic living, clarity of mind, distance from ego, etc. Yes he invests long-term, just like Elon does, but I'm referring to these other aspects of living. But to each their own I guess. Yes but even like Owen I care more about material success than philosophy and pure understanding. Although philosophy matters deeply to me as well. But my material needs are far from met. Yet still, his ways of getting that material success, that path is littered with neurotic living.

@Leo Gura I tried his approaches, and it just left me burnt out, lost, not feeling myself, making sub-optimal decisions. I found your approaches in the video "valuable things require investment over time" - to take an investment approach, even on an hourly basis to be far more effective, combined with mastery, but also "investing as deeply as possible" resonates with me. Overall isn't this just a wiser, healthier way to live, even if you're trying to make a business work? Investing + Training Program + Iterations To Your Systems, etc. I see results compounding in this way, though slowly day by day.

@Leo Gura Makes me feel like we're all almost spoiled brats in america .. off the hook too easily, with murder, free speech, etc. But also gratitude I can connect with, that sense of freedom.

@Leo Gura Of course this is tragic, and will radicalize the right more, that's understandable. But how bad is it really? Sure some anger for some weeks, likely it will wash over in some time. What's the big deal though? Trump was shot at and all was good. I also checked the sentiment online in various places, and most people both on the left and right see this as just a tragic event but I dont see much radicalization. I did hear of some radical talk in some corners but isnt that just mostly talk?

@Leo Gura Im with you on those points. Yes these tech assholes are wrong for stealing everyone's data, have very low moral compass, monopolize labor, and selfishly pursuing the economy's wealth to lie in the hands of a few at the expense of many. But from strictly an existential survival of the human race perspective, is there not also the case that China is also doing the same thing, on a much faster scale? I mean just imagine we let this play out over 5 years, say we follow your view that US doesn't go into this crazy nutjob AI race. Would it not be the case that China does, and therefore they have control over a lot of the world? I get how wrong AI is, but even you have said in the past AI is developing on a rate that is existential for humanity, that we are creating crazy powerful robots, etc. Imagine a world where China has that and USA doesn't. Would that not make USA severely vulnerable to China? If I had a choice, I would shut down AI today. I'm not happy with AI either overall. I really would want to shut it down today. But I know the cat is out of the bag, and Im specifically looking at the perspective of existential survival of humanity against China. If you look into the specifics of China's AI development, what they've said, etc. it's not some small thing. It's quite important. I do also see the downsides of an unregulated AI environment. That may harm us much faster. But I do also want to look at the China vs. USA perspective.

@Leo Gura Does his new AI plan change your opinion on him to a degree? Given that we are at an arms race with China. Not saying he's good by any means, but from my limited amount of understanding, I see the AI plan as a necessary step to ensure humanity's safety. Better us have it than China? Or do you have completely different meta thinking on that? What's odd with corruption, as I see with Elon, Trump and many others, is out of their own selfishness, agenda, etc. and drive for wealth, they create this sort of "boundary of survival" around America that ends up doing a lot of good, despite that corruption.