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Did you pull out of the markets? Id do so if you're that concerned. I wouldn't be concerned though. Even if there's a recession, theres plenty of jobs available and will continue to be there, many of which are remote now. Also AI has created many new opportunities, so you could start a side business for example in building apps.

A mantra I tell myself every day: Self-discipline is the ability to do what you should do, when you should do it, whether you feel like it or not. I live by this as best as I can daily, above all principles.

I just dropped everything Im doing to build a software that helps you build your habits schedule, track your daily logs, etc. But the vision is to build a full life management system built on various personal development principles, like a structured commonplace book.

@Yimpa yeah 1 message alone takes you down a rabbit hole of the mind for a month before you get back out and back to your life.

@integral yeah, good point. I definitely consider there to be things outside of that category not solvable by Sedona method.

@integral I didnt have that typical dullness problem. I had somewhat strong paranoia, a sense of being dissociated from my reality, etc. Sedona can help immensely even with stuff like that. I realized all that is just the mind on a heavy activation state playing tricks on you, and you need to slowly love it, accept it, allow it, and give it time.

@integral Just from 1 time? Thats wild bro. Glad you're back. Weed also took me to my lowest point ever. For 2 years I needed to get out of my very bad emotional state and fear. Sedona method literally saved my life. It slowly got me out of deceptions. If anyone is in a bad emotional state, fear, and stuff, Sedona Method helps a ton. And Time. Time heals truly, sometimes you have to ride it out and you'll be fine, as long as you stop doing things that are causing you harm.

@Leo Gura Oh thank the lord. I was gonna message my ex who I didnt contact for years to consider stop taking adderall prescribed for her condition lol but if its rare I'll stick to the no contact rule lol But thats interesting, is what you read also applied to spiritual practice somewhat similar to psychedelics like shamanic breathing? I'd imagine a lot has to do with maturity? if you sort of "let" what comes up occur rather than turn it into grand stories.

@Leo Gura I smoked weed like 100+ times age 18 to 22 during college. I've quit since, and I'm 29 years old. I checked, and I currently have 0 symptoms of 10 listed of schizophrenia. Are you saying also that this could be a concern later in life? or that you would develop it relatively soon after smoking?

@Leo Gura Honestly looking at that graph you posted, and just seeing how pervasive it is, and even actualized.org helping to avoid such traps .. Im just grateful many of us are not indoctrinated in this, and can avoid this trap and traps like this. Sometimes all this self-deception content you post can increase my suffering, but at the same time without all this, I know for sure I'd get caught in traps, and this helps avoid such traps.

@Leo Gura I literally just made a twitter account today as there is an indie dev community on there to network with, and when you're making a profile and they ask you "Select who to follow" .. It literally showed the top trump supporters in the top 100 people showed. Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, DOGE account, its insane. I don't think its just who people are following, I think Elon Musk and Trump very conveniently planned to game the Twitter system to make it purely MAGA agenda. I can't say for sure, but it really seems like it.

@Leo Gura gotchya, that clarifies things a lot.

@Leo Gura I sort of asked this in a different way in the past, but how does that correlate to life purpose? Today I'm imagining all the ways I can transform society. There's so many amazing opportunities coming up due to AI, not in the crappy marketing ways, but actually creating world-class software and stuff. And as I'm dreaming big, and build my platform every day, it's a sort of life mastery software, sometimes I get concerned that it could get to say 500k+ users perhaps, and put me in a position of power, and as we're studying here on actualized.org - people in power tend to be more corrupt. How do you sort of reconcile those 2 things - pursuing life purpose to transform the world, elevate mankind, and solve problems, yet that puts one in a position of power, and does that power naturally make you a more corrupt, lying person? Or perhaps is that inevitable, but you just accept it, and focus on minimizing that, and becoming more conscious over time, while also elevating mankind? The system I'm building, I don't see how it can be used to harm. Minimal social media, it's just a life mastery system, where I don't necessarily even give people a philosophy or dogma, but rather the structures to create their own sense of reality, and figure it out for themselves. It's more like a commonplace book system. I also don't care that much about money. In the sense, my plan is if I make hypothetically 100 million dollars, I keep 10 million for me and my family, and 90 million give it away to good causes. I don't even want to deal with the headache of excessive money and power, but it seems like often that it is inevitable if you are ambitious with your life purpose (in certain types of life purposes) I can hear myself telling myself: "So say I do go down this path, and do a lot of good for humanity, but in the process my lying and corruption as a human being will go up. It's almost like .. does more good for humanity = more corrupting and lying humans?" Idk if I'm missing something here?

@Leo Gura By the way, one really good resource is Spotify. I pay 10 dollars per month and can access tons of amazing books for a limited number of hours (It's plenty) .. So I end up going through tons of books, wherever I'm inclined. I'm looking forward to reading this book you shared, careless people. It's on Spotify, in a sense free for me.

@Natasha Tori Maru If you go deep with AI enough, you'll experiencially see that that is the case. I wouldn't blindly believe what AI is feeding, that's not the idea. AI can be wrong. But you can use it as a tool to help. But even in the case of language learning, even if you go by what its feeding you, it's surprisingly more accurate than anything, more than most humans, and more than most books. If you just run experiments and test it for yourself you will see for yourself. I also don't understand how a deeply capitalistic, greedy system collecting tons of data, much of which is messy can create such a thing. I really don't. But I am able to run tests to see what has higher accuracy, AI, books, or humans, and just the test results show me that AI wins, if used properly. You can verify that for yourself.

@Leo Gura I don't know if you discussed this, or if its obvious, but how actually do you distinguish truth from falsehood? Is there a method? I can see careful observation being one. But even with that, through observing, how do you really know what is true and what is false? Intuition? but can that be trusted?

@Leo Gura Wow I can see that now .. the design of an illusion is intelligent in that way, thats wild. I never realized thats an illusion. I met a christian yesterday who went so off the rails into this hyper fictional story about reality which he completely believed. And I was thinking how blind can someone be. He was just completely caught in an illusion, it can feel so real.

@Leo Gura I'm starting to see a pattern. Just like you mentioned here, the interesting thing is that a lot of these books actually do have nuggets of truth, but the books themselves are a sea of low quality, lower perspective information. So those nuggets of truth actually blind the masses into buying into the entire sea of shit. Similarly, Naval Ravikant is a brilliant businessman with mostly good business wisdom, but he started talking about the nature of reality, etc. and with such confidence and charisma gets his big audience believing the nature of reality is primarily grounded in science. Turns out he's a trump supporter. Then trump and Musk themselves, they use nuggets of truth to rationalize defunding entire organizations. Or he might put up some emotional show how he saved X person with the agenda of destroying an organization. (I'm not too good with political analysis, I'm noticing abstract patterns.) I guess this pattern is: Humans will use nuggets of truth, weaponizing truth to serve their own selfish agenda and corrupt and cause a lot of harm. Nuggets of truth can actually do great harm.

@Leo Gura I still dont understand how or even if they are actually stupid. For years Ive been listening to Joe Rogan, Owen Cook, Naval Ravikant, Lex Fridman .. about 95% of these people still when I look at it, they are intelligent (at least thats what I still think, maybe I'm wrong) .. but then it was a shock to my system how they can not see the massive corruption of Trump and Musk. This made me really look at all of these people from a new angle and re-evaluate my whole approach to personal development. I have almost severed their teachings to a very narrow domain for my growth and ignore most of what they're saying because I unconsciously let a lot of their worldviews infect my thinking, and its like a shock to my system thats been there for the past 4 months. It's still shocking because I'm now left without most of the people I look upto, now all shoved to the corner, and I guess now Im thinking more for myself. I completely overlooked this stupidity in them, and I still dont understand how these intellectuals have this side of stupidity to them. I understand the vast majority of trolls who lack any form of intelligence. But to have such big name folks take up a lot of the personal development sphere be so wrong on this level is such a wake up call.

@Leo Gura Then its worse than I imagine, you're implying that their whole structural thinking is something that I don't understand. Because from my POV, or even many on this forum, I don't see how people even think from this perspective. In a sense it should be so obvious as the facts are clearly laid out on the table and people can't see them. I don't know what kind of frame of mind they are coming from. Maybe this is stranger than I thought.

@Leo Gura If covid lost him the election, indicating possibly he's a considerable factor in the death of many, how does america make another same deadly mistake again? This time in the form of climate, butchering medicaid, etc. which is also another deadly mistake, quite literally. It's like: America back then: gets hurt and feels pain for how he handled Covid America before new election: Yay make america great again America now: oh no he hurt us again Doesn't make sense.

@aracid wow I dont know you but Im so happy you got out of this, and wow that is quite a story and experience .. and brave of you to keep pushing through, amazing. Glad you're back.

@Leo Gura I don't know much about Ralston but I mean lets test that assumption that high consciousness is the major factor in a successful marriage. How much does Ralston value family? Does he value consciousness more than family? What if he developed himself to such a high degree that made him unsuitable with his partner? Sadhguru is a conscious workaholic in a way, what if Peter Ralston was one too? Alan Watts was an alcoholic despite being conscious, so why does consciousness translate to a good worldly life? To even get to where Ralston got to consciousness wise I don't see it that realistic to have such a high value for family, marriage, and worldly sort of love. I mean the guy looks like a hardass to begin with, how in touch is he with adventure, romance, kindness, etc. that even make for a good marriage? I get it though. I know it will be a difficult tree to climb. Its on my mind a lot. But to climb the tree of not being married is just as hard of a tree to climb. I also know people who are not married. My uncle is a very depressed alcoholic. These people get lonelier over the years, depressed, too in their heads, many overly attached to work, a lack of meaning, and then in their later years they enter a nursing home and no family for love. It's just like what alternative do you want because they both are doing to be difficult roads.

@Leo Gura That is true. 98% of married couples I know are passive, tired, etc. They are not in deeply happy, loving marriages. But these same people apply no mastery to life itself, nor anything they do. The default for 98% of people is passiveness, which is why they are fed up in marriages. There are definitely serious challenges to monogamy. But I also see serious challenges to a life of any other alternative as well. Also even just questioning the idea of being "fed up" at all. I know that feeling, and I experience that every now and then with every area of life. Life itself can get tiring, any path warrants involves experiences of being bored or tired or fed up with it. But I think that's its own problem that needs working on, structurally. That's also part of every path, as even described in the book mastery.

@Leo Gura I get what you're saying. I too would probably be absolutely miserable in a factory location. I am always diving deep into new experiences, projects, creative ideas that no one has done before, etc. Even I prefer polyamory over monogamy. I can see myself being polyamorous for maybe another 8 years. But there are some downsides to choose a life of polyamory. Imagine you're 70 years old, with no family. How long would you chase new partners? Would you have the energy to at that age? How much value can you provide to another partner at that age without having built up much with them? If you run into a health problem that would make it hard to care for yourself at that age, would you rather be in a nursing home or be with a family that loves you in your own home? Even I have no desire to settle right now, but if you think long-term enough, these things are very worth considering. In polyamory you are not investing in any relationship truly, there's limits on depth, etc. I think you are missing the point of many deep joys that a life of monogamy can bring. Maybe you are an exception that for you truth is the highest priority in life, and there is some untruth in monogamy perhaps. But the alternative is not a life most people would end up being happy with long-term. And on the other side of the coin, by the logic of getting fed up with one partner, you could just as easily be fed up of jumping from partner to partner over time. Or if you decide no partner, and to pursue just truth, you may find that 20 years later you are in a state of deep loneliness because there's something in your biology that wants another partner to share a life with. You can be essentially fed up with any path you choose then.