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@Leo Gura It seemed like also from your blog post you're considering going back on a more regular posting thing? If so, did something change for the better? And regarding the same blog post, is this rationality video meant to accomplish the same goals as previous actualized.org content or is this introducing a new path of work? Reducing ideology, dogma, self-deception, etc. and increasing our understanding of reality or perhaps a new line of work on ourselves? I can distinctly remember you introducing me to the field of creativity, and since then I've been going into that line of work deeper and deeper and its truly a whole field of life mastery, for example.

@Leo Gura It has been on my mind for days. I have been listening to Owen's old videos, and I just absolutely do not understand what happened to him. I did a lot of deep analysis on this, because beyond just owen, it makes no sense how a human being so involved in eating healthy, traveling the world, interesting creative ideas, so funny I can never stop laughing in some of his videos, somewhat deeply philosophical, a nice chill prescence turns into a hardcore trump supporter, he posts andrew tate on his instagram stories, has more hate towards some relationships in the past, I think he might have mentioned becoming christian, far more angrier as a human being, way less adventurous, looks like he's not taking care of himself physically even like he used to, and one of his recent courses was absolute garbage compared to his past courses like blueprint decoded. I mean I just really don't understand how someone so deep into personal development turned out this way. I personally think something else is going on. What is it? I doubt he got radicalized, because he has always been open-minded. I think his dark past may have caught up with him and won. I can't see any other way someone so on top of his life has become this way. On the other hand is talks are still enlightening to this day, and I'm sure a lot of him is still high quality. Like I know he's a solid public speaker still. But I went in person to see him, and I couldn't stand a lot of it. And he treated his kid really poorly on stage, just putting him down over and over again, emotionally manipulating him like I imagine he might have done to some women. I say all this not to put Owen down. I have immense respect for him for what he's done over the years in terms of contribution to humanity. I just don't understand how he has become like this. Then again it shocked me how a lot of the popular intellectuals I listened to all turned out to be trump supporters, but Owen's case shocked me the most because it seems like many parts of his life took a 180.

@sda I have a friend who is 30 years old and has white hairs, he still looks like he's in his mid 20's. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that you're aging in the way you're thinking. Not sure about the white hair though, but as far as your body overall, I don't think that's the case. I know people in their 20s who also look old too who don't have white hair. So I think these factors are not as tied as you might think. I could be wrong though, these are just my observations.

@Daniel Balan of course

@Daniel Balan This is something that stood out from the PDF if you truly have tried everything, this could be a solid solution.

@Daniel Balan I copy pasted your posts on this forum and pasted it into "Deep Research", its a really good AI agent by Open AI that scours through tons of sources online intelligently to deeply analyze a situation, as another mentioned on this forum. As Leo also suggested to search Reddit, I made sure the deep research included many sources from reddit. I went through a good amount of this response, and actually found some good answers. On a high level, what I understood is that a "combo" of solutions works for people, and this issue was somewhat quite prevalent. I wouldn't give up hope as there are many "combos of solutions" here that you can try. I'd do some research though on a specific solution to assess its safety first though. In this PDF attached there are many such combos. There's also potential causes, etc. It's a long document, but I believe its worth reading a good amount of it. I actually did read some cases on reddit here that solved it "80%" or "beat it" as in 100% from my understanding, so hopefully you can read through this, find solutions you haven't tried and implement them systematically. In one of Leo's videos he talks about requisite variety to solve a problem, you systematically try one solution after another. You become more creative than the problem itself. I believe that's how Leo discovered the carnivore diet after trying a lot of different solutions, which helped him a lot. (If I got that correctly) I hope this gets resolved. Don't give up hope. I recall finding a solution for a problem when I thought no solution existed. The solution existed, I just thought I tried it all. But I didn't. I'm sure there are solutions you can try. Wish you the best of luck. PDF link

@Leo Gura In reading all that, Im still trying to grasp "what is intelligence, at its heart". Do you have a definition for that? Maybe I missed it. I think you described intelligence, and what is unintelligence, but Im still wondering what intelligence really is. And Im intuitively seeking intelligence, but Im also wondering why? If one's purpose of life is to raise intelligence, why? I know you'll say something like "for its own sake" lol .. and actually fundamentally thats why I want to seek it, but Im wondering also if there's a deeper why. Also here I think you were trying to say something different .. "Chasing after views and clicks is not unintelligent." This is a big idea: "Unintelligence is anything which creates self-interference, incoherence, and obstructive division or stuckness within an infinite field of finite parts." I never realized that. But now its so obvious that thats the case, after you put it like that.

@Leo Gura I could tell you were trying to help him but didn't know he lied about such a thing. I think he went too far down an abyss to make his way out unfortunately.

@Leo Gura Ironically, he's been a great example of how not to be irresponsible with drugs and the misuse of mind. I think people will benefit from seeing what not to do in life, this trap, to lead a better life. Even the call you had with him was a stark contrast between immaturity and maturity, it was inspiring in a way to live a healthier more mature life. I always wondered though why you were so patient with him on the call. I get that you wanted to convey your point to not bring you into his mess but clearly he was only focused on his own agenda.

@Leo Gura I really like the idea of just cold cutting stuff out, news, social media, etc. For the first time I just implemented a youtube feed and instagram feed block. I have an addiction problem here partly and actually this discussion made me realize more starkly. AI tools can search the internet if when I need something anyways (learn as you go basis), so there's no need for even reading on latest developments anymore. It's just shocking how much news and social media sucks you in, and its so addictive, in general. It's not like I could also turn this addiction off day one. It's more like climbing out of a massive pile of shit one step at a time I'm now intuiting.

@Leo Gura I think I'm going to seriously take that on as a daily conscious habit, not just cutting out political news but also AI news. I don't know about other peoples news feed, but mine is mostly filled with Trump, Musk and AI news, and honestly Im getting a bit sick of it. The thing with AI news particularly is there's actually good lessons, etc. from interviews with Sam Altman, Eric Schmidt, etc. but ultimately it leaves me a bit sick after years of it, feeling less myself. I can imagine a much much more peaceful happier life just focusing on the craft itself, and seeking AI research only when needed. Even AI news is filled with doom and gloom, and all these people are so well-spoken and intelligent in certain narrow ways that it turns addictive. The amount of "Future Of AI" videos I consumed is mind-boggingly horrendous lol .. some very valuable lessons but man oh man mostly just this bunch of junk. I don't even know why its junk or what makes it junk but it sure feels like junk.

@Leo Gura Oh wow that's a very valuable perspective. I guess all this daily reading of New York Times and all the new actions trump was taking got me overreacting then if life on an individual level goes on as business as usual for the most part. It does make sense to, as one commonality I see in all of trumps actions is to simply attain more wealth and power. I don't see Hitler-level evil in him, even though we are moving towards an authoritarian government. Maybe there's an important distinction between authoritarian government and Hitler-level or Putin-level chaos. Though I really don't know much about politics to know whether Trump is just after money and power or he truly has war-type tendencies. I appreciate this. I didn't even realize how fearful I was until you gave this perspective. I thought I was calmer than I really was.

@Leo Gura my last concern is financial tbh (family is doing well financially, and I see great opportunities and I'm on a programming path which has great opportunities in the future) but moreso the social effects, living in a dictatorial environment (I don't know what that will feel like), censorship, police militarization, etc. But also is moving over-reacting? I mean I'm not here crying and stuff lol I'm a very strategic person generally. I look at situations, analyze and make decisions. I haven't made any decision yet. I'm just trying to assess the playing field. But the facts of the playing field: Considering all the damage that has been happening, environmentally, medicaid being cut, the poor people suffering, etc. Or that in just 1 month or something of Trump and Elon taking office, they've done so much damage. But moreso I honestly don't know what these next 4+ years means. Is it just financial issues mostly? Then sure I guess I'll stick around. But how do you know things won't get a lot worse on an individual level? (I didn't mention financial concern one bit lol but in any case, this is a great time for any creative-minded person. I'm well aware of that. Perhaps under this administration opportunities open up even more for creative folks ironically.)

@aurum yeah there's too many factors at play, but you bring up some factors I haven't thought about for most us citizens though, including me, my highest priority is my family's safety, but I also care about the US democracy so its conflicting. If US isn't safe, it makes sense to consider moving to some place safer. From my research, I don't see evidence of physical endangerment (yet) and you're right, I think that's the biggest factor. Maybe if there is no physical endangerment, then maybe its worth staying, working through the other problems and then fighting for democracy. On the other hand, it also is possibly that political opinions can be monitored digitally, or just openly opposing the current regime could lead to harsher consequences. I dont know tbh

serious question, at what point do you think it makes sense to leave america, if at all, hoping to get opinions. I don't want to over-react, but I don't want to under-react either. I considered this as a possibility up until today, while today I feel this may be a potential reality. Im an ordinary american citizen questioning a good life in america over the coming years because of this. Do you think life will generally be the same on an individual level, or does it get a bit worse? somewhat worse? or really bad

@Leo Gura Those 3?? one of them is a kid lol .. the 2 I understand .. but the kid even told trump to be quiet at one point (different video)

@Leo Gura lol gotchya

@Leo Gura I don't know why but this reminded me of your course that you're planning to launch later .. I hesitated asking this for a while but is it possible to point in some direction of what that secret is for actualizing all the content from your videos and books are, that abstraction thing or something that puts it all together? Of course you wouldnt be able to like give all of it, but is there some book that covers the techniques for that? It's understandable if you don't want to share as well as that would be the substance of your course, and what would draw people in to your course, but I thought I'd ask just in case you are willing to share.

Whatever you think of Jordan Peterson, I don't listen to him much, but this interview, mainly with this guy Brian is one of my favorite discussions on ChatGPT. The biggest lesson I got from this is that any one of these LLMs are like continents, unexplored continents of value, tons of valuable insights waiting to be mined and extracted, and with the right prompts, in many cases "super prompts", highly iterated prompts, you can unlock almost any value from these LLMs. It's less about how intelligent these LLMs are, which is of course important, but when are we going to get more intelligent with our input, people don't realize just how deep and intelligent our inputs can be.

"Thieves, look how these thieves stole from us" - Thieves

@Leo Gura you will be surprised, most people are essentially using walmart AI right now. I'm developing AI apps so I'm deeply immersed in this psychology. If the way a model is structured is .. User <---> LLM .. notice the LLM is smart, but the user doesn't apply there intelligence, so how much value can users really extract? Not much. The LLM is only as useful depending on how deep users go, which they just don't. There's enough data that shows most users use it too shallowly. Therefore most users don't need much intelligent AI. There's also an emerging AI Agency market, and most of these people promote using cheaper LLMs in their services so they make more money. Thats the world we live in.

@Raze people are saying that but is this really true? 1 AI model is crashing American AI stocks? I still use GPT 4o but I plan to switch to deep seek but whats so special if its just a cheaper chatbot? The markets are highly dynamic serving all kinds of unique products and services, it wouldn't make sense that this 1 AI model has such an impact on so many of these stocks.

@Leo Gura you can clone an AI relatively easily sure, but the real value in my opinion is again the flow of data which is harder for people to copy because that is a multi-faceted creative system of software Ex. not agent, but Agent 1 -> Agent 2 -> Agent 3, etc. a system of agents. Also an agent isnt just an LLM, which can be easily copied. An agent has custom tools, it actually does stuff outside of the LLM. I don't think these are that easy to copy? Maybe they are but I'm not so sure. For ex. I use an agent that makes me apps in front-end, APIs and backend and connects it all together. There isnt any other software that does that. Thats because they designed the agent to edit a database, not just writing code, but it makes changes on a platform. That platform (Supabase) had to give permission first to that agent to make those changes. Most agents wouldn't be granted permission to take actions on that. So for ex. if I have an amazon shopping agent, but amazon only allows this agent and not other agents (through permission-only actions) then what value do other agents have anyways?

@Leo Gura the real profits is more in the OpenAI API than the chatbots. The flow of data. For ex. with actualized.org you can use an AI classifier to pass the posts made on the forum through a classifier to see if either it meets the requirements of a post you find is acceptable, or to reject it if it is not meeting actualized guidelines. That's just one use case, but that is the same as the chatbot type data, but just used in creative ways. There's not much value specifically in AI chatbots for companies (except the huge companies). Then secondly, there's value in chatbots when agents become a real thing. Like OpenAI just released their new agent Operator, which is a form of a chatbot (takes screenshots consistently, chats, and has custom actions) and these just started, but agents is where its really at.

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