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@Leo Gura before we even get to such a sentencing for trump, we have to first acknowledge the extent of what he's done. I know a lot of people, smart friends of mine tbh, they work in good careers, good companies, some millionaires, good familys, healthy minded, they support trump, think he did nothing wrong, I dont get it ... feels like theres a massive denial in america

@Leo Gura I noticed that lol .. I always wondered why you started a forum? Don't you enjoy your solitude more? and also it's a lot of work, and there's a lot of human bullshit to deal with whereas with your videos you can just focus on intelligence and philosophy? No hate, I get a lot of value from the forum, but I have wondered this for a while

From this entire thread, I've realized some things: 1) It's probably better for a guy to prioritize a) becoming a high value attractive man than being a good PUA (even if that involves PUA), I think that's better for the world, healthier and higher potential for a man, and better for women. 2) It's also clear from this thread that men and women have conflicting agendas, and one's agenda can step on another's agenda, but maybe there is no reality without such a war. In the end both men and women need each other to thrive to their highest potential, whatever that means for someone. This is tricky stuff I see. I can totally understand how women don't like the PUA agenda. And if I were to be real, and I had a daughter, I don't know how I feel about her being gamed by a guy lol .. I do think as a society also we need to get a lot of these cravings out of the way, I can see it perverting society in various ways.

Yeah pickup isn't for everyone, and I do admit it can feel dirty and messy sometimes, but so does all my other pursuits in life: overcoming fears, writing mastery, building a business, etc.

It's not that doing pickup is attractive, but the person you become after doing it for a few years (if you do it right) is attractive, which is why pickup works. Like the process of making music can be ugly or messy, but the product of making music for a few years is some really good banger songs.

@Leo Gura gotchya, these are great insights.

@Leo Gura If I take Eben Pagan for example, I would say he's a mature conscious leader, though somewhat corrupted with his marketing mindset. But overall he had a net positive on the business world. He's into spirituality but not super deep into spiritual work. So from his example, I plan to develop myself into a mature conscious leader, even with spiritual work, but I don't know about going super deep with spiritual work. But as long as I'm proactively doing personal development work, purifying my psyche, etc. this path seems like it is doable?

@Emerald

@Leo Gura Yeah that makes sense, people will do just about anything to get their way when they are desperate, and a host of other problems. But then again I think, how can I create a holistic personal development community and not talking include an aspect of dating, and getting that part of their life handled. Right now Im leaning more towards the angle of not including any pickup content, but that might change in the future. But do you have any important lessons for ensuring the least toxicity in a community in general? I would assume: a) removing toxic and low quality posts, b) removing toxic people from the community, c) basic general rules like no promotion, no hate speech, no racism, no sexism, etc. d) good moderators, and I can learn to properly manage moderators .. anything important I'm missing? The community is part of a larger online university, with different masters teaching, so that in itself should lower toxicity, with the consciousness of these masters trickling into the community discussions.

@Emerald Honestly I never did a strong investigation into shame, this is pretty new to me, but I'll definitely look into it. Also I never got to thank you, you helped me like 5 years ago on a call, took your advice and that contributed to getting me out of a dark emotional pit. Thanks for that a lot.

I went to a DJ Khaled concert in Miami once. We waited 2 hours because he was late. He finally came on stage, yelled "We The Best" and left. No concert. I was so confused fr

@Emerald there's definitely that aspect of feelings of shame of not being ideal, but I'll give a perspective of sort of normal drives that drives much of the community: - a desire to date a ton of girls, just because of high sex drive and stuff .. being able to date anyone you want, talk to any girl you want at any time, that if we land in a new city and see a girl at the airport we approach effortlessly and strike up a conversation. - wanting to better ourselves as a man, less out of shame, but more out of a positive desire to reach our highest potential - wanting solid social confidence etc. Now these are some of the main drives of PUAs. 90% of PUAs have such drives as the main drives, and these drives are not problematic as you see. But of that 90% of PUAs, 80% of PUAs will do some nasty things to satisfy those drives like heavy manipulation, canned routines, etc. But there is that 10% of PUAs who have healthy drives, and want to satisfy it in the healthiest way possible. And yes there's going to be some manipulation. But what I mean by that is that even flirting is a form of manipulation. But everyone does that, and without that there's no great relationship at all. So a small degree of manipulation is needed. But by talking about these important drives, I know I'm going to attract a lot of that crowd who has the healthy drives, but will do nasty things to get there. That's the worry. I get your point of shame, and there definitely is elements of that, but there's an overwhelming factor of other drives. If it was primarily shame, people wouldnt undertake a massive journey that is learning pickup. And yes there is also an aspect in communities of "needing to live up to masculine ideals", but I wouldnt undervalue the importance of masculine ideals. It helps to have some form of compass. Otherwise guys get stuck in their needy behaviors, fearful, unsocial, etc. behaviors.

@Leo Gura you can also do dataset philosophy, like Jim Collins. He would study leaders, tons of them, hundreds or thousands, characterize what he wanted to study in an excel sheet, you can philosophize with AI to determine the columns (their belief systems, how old are they, what profession are they, etc.), create high quality datasets of maybe hundreds or thousands of rows of leaders (in an attempt to study their psychology in your own way), feed it as a document to AI, and ask it to study the dataset, draw unique insights based on the dataset itself, to find specific patterns you're looking for, etc. you can also create custom chatbots with ChatGPT4, feed all the documents beforehand so that any conversation is based on that custom dataset (like a video you're working on), and that would eliminate the problem of the docs eating the context window also. Custom chatbots you can create your own, a whole team of them for whatever you're working on, on the openai website itself.

@Leo Gura over time, feel free to share more of these papers, its insightful to know on a meta level how to communicate with AI to arrive at high quality philosophy

such a good point!! I had my doubts, but given this blog post and your 60-page paper Im going to use these insights to adapt my philosophy workflow. This is going to be a major change in workflow for people who do this as a career. Really exciting stuff. really appreciate these responses.

oh okay, there's orders of magnitude difference between 3.5 and 4. 3.5 is wrong often, doesn't use the internet, no other external tools, much lower in intelligence, lacks depth of insight. 4 is phenomenal. Def will check out claude 3 opus

@Leo Gura you mention this in your blog post: "I have now incorporated AI into how I do philosophy. In fact, I don’t see how good philosophy could be done any other way. From now on all my work, all my videos, will be created in collaboration with AI in order to provide the most factual, nuanced, well-researched, and robust perspectives. I ask the AI to poke holes in my theories and supply me with examples and counter-examples." In terms of a workflow for arriving at great philosophy, would you say the approach of going deep with these AI models can surpass reading books for insights and contemplation, or even doing solo philosophy with the aid of nothing? (just curious in terms of just sheer quantity of quality insights, not internalization of insights necessarily)

That's a good point to be honest. I'm sure they both have their pros and cons. Maybe having multiple tools would be great over time. I definitely am curious about Claude 3 opus. I never even heard of it till today.

@Leo Gura Can you tell me how Claude 3 compares to ChatGPT4? I've been using ChatGPT4 ever since, and I absolutely love it. I spend hours a day just going deep with it, in some of the same ways you do with philosophy, and it's miraculous what it's capable of. Would you know some general comparisons in your philosophical investigation between the 2? Also you might want to check this out, the guy that Jordan Peterson interviews revers to these LLMs as "continents" of unexplored knowledge, wisdom, and insights, and you can go really deep with it to sort of unearth and bring back insights to share with the world. I found his insights pretty fascinating.

@Leo Gura I suffer from tinnitus. I'm not sure exactly what caused it. On average, it's like a 4.5 out of 10. I tried digging for solutions but wherever I read online, it said "no known cure", that you can just treat it, but not cure it. In terms of suffering, 70% of the days I don't notice it, like most people. When I notice it, it's a non-issue or I might be slightly bothered, or wish it were gone. Usually I shift my mind off it pretty quickly. 25% of days, it's persistently loud (because my mind puts more attention on it.) But it's still manageable. 5% of days, it's scary. I remember one of the days you commented on this forum about "the dreaded tinnitus" .. and that freaked me out lol .. I started getting OCD about it, the sounds became almost 4x louder, unbearable, I had to get out of my room all day and stay outside to have the noise go away and blend in with nature, car sounds, etc. And of course there are many other days this happened. Usually the mind, that is fear, plays a big role, but it makes the sound so loud I can't do anything else and it gets pretty scary to. Overall, it's left a sense of "life would be so much more peaceful without this", and I start to wonder how great it would be if I can go back to normal. If you've found a cure, and you're going to share in a few weeks, I'm definitely inclined to follow all the action steps to solve it. I went to an ear doctor in the past and they just straight up said its not solveable. But if you found it, I'm willing to solve it with your solution. On a side note, on a meta level, it's remarkable that you're able to reject norms and think for yourself, and use requisite variety to find a solution to something everyone thinks is incurable. That requires enormous leadership, independent thinking, and requisite variety. I'm thinking like if you're able to find a solution like this, it gives me hope to not be a victim and find solutions to my unique problems that I end up being a victim too.

@actuallyenlightened that's the spirit man, its really not so bad when we take the right precautions and stuff

@actuallyenlightened Just be strategic man, use condoms properly, store them properly, dont have sex drunk, that's 98% effective, which should mean you never really have a problem Now in the 2% chance the condom breaks or leaks or whatever, you use plan B within 24 hours .. I've had to give girls plan B over like 8 times, mainly because I had a bit of paranoia. You're now at 99.5% effectiveness. Now say after all that, the girl still gets pregnant. Then most likely she will want an abortion. I think you're fear is a bit irrational. She would most likely want an abortion, considering that you're a stranger, its unwanted to begin with, unplanned, no support and resistance from you, etc. Now you're at 99.99% effectiveness. Congrats, you're good for life. And honestly don't let this stop you from living. Of course don't be a madman going after every girl, but what's life without some fearless adventure?

Thanks, needed to hear that .. I could probably learn to enjoy working much more

I won't say anything on how to store it, but just that storing it properly is super critical, i once took a tab after 2 years of storing, and it got 6x stronger than a normal small dose, which threw me off, was tripping balls like a mf in a public environment, the authorities got involved, various kinds, was a mess .. yeah i just wanted to highlight importance of this, i would say also if possible don't store these things too long

I mean honestly I could see truth in some of these things like sleep quota, and maybe he has some kind of healing abilities, but those are pretty small things in the very big picture of health for one's life right? Like I think he reduces health down to some very basic components, and clearly health seems to be a lot more nuanced and complex