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@Leo Gura Or she is just not attracted to you and/or compatible and nothing will change that. PUAs make it like it is your fault for every failure and that is not true. Some girls just will not sleep with you and there is nothing you can do about it. Some of course, not all. Talk to a lot and some will hook hard.

@Leo Gura It is not about owning you sex. I am not saying the person is cruel because she rejected someone. Everyone rejects people. The issue is HOW you do it. If you play with people feelings like that, that is what is fucked up. She can just tell him she is not interested in him and let him go, instead of basically getting him to fall for her and then cut ties and crush him like that. This is basically emotionally manipulation and playing not a rejection. You often complain about PUAs hurting girls, how is this any different? This type of behavior is done by both sexes and is fucked up.

@Leo Gura That is how fucked up cruel monster women are. Both guys and girls that do this shit are pieces of shit people with 0 integrity and human decency. There is nothing wrong with rejecting someone but if you do it in such a manipulative way, almost like you are doing it for fun, in my opinion it is as harmful as assaulting or stealing from someone in terms of the damage you do to them. Otherwise great advice. @AlwaysJoggin Bro you got unlucky with such a fucked up person, sorry to hear it. There is 1 piece of advice i can give you, when dating before the girl legit likes you and you start dating you should try not have a lot of feelings. If you fall for them like this so easily, you leave the door open for the fucked up ones to hurt you like this. You are young like me, i can understand how you fell so hard in 3 weeks for someone but honestly it is not worth the pain to get so attached to fast. Leo's advice here is perfectly legit. Do not be weak when dealing with girls, it will destroy you. You can be vulnerable and open but not weak. I went through something similar (was not manipulated though and it was my fault) and boy does it make you stronger and more grounded. 1 really important note is not to have the "women are evil and cruel" attitude and join the red pill toxic ideologies. Do not make this a gender thing, both sexes do this.

@Preety_India Your message is very well written and makes total sense. However personally and maybe other guys here have an issue. That is that if we do what you say, build comfort and get close and stuff there is a risk of getting friend zoned. Personally i have done basically what you say and the person does not feel attracted to me, just very comfortable and at ease. How do you balance the two? Now ofc you will not be friend zoned if you talk a bit in text before asking to hang out but in general i see this friend zone epidemic that is caused by guys building too much comfort and too little boldness and move making. Basically no balls.

So i would like your thoughts on this. I have noticed that society places the majority of the girls social value on her looks and a bit on how feminine her beaviour is. Looks for the most part are something you are born with. Yes taking care of yourself and stuff can help quite a bit but it can only get you so far. Meanwhile a guy's value is a lot more social, things like ambition, social skills, confidence, charisma, financial stability, wisdom etc. These things are given a lot of value in society. If you look at the most high value guys on the world they are usually guys on their 50s with high charisma and money and status. Unless you are born into a super rich family (trump jr for example hehe) then you gotta work for that. You are not born a confident charismatic funny wealthy guy, you become one through work. Now good looking guys which are naturally born like that do have a lot of things easier, that is for sure. However a 9/10 looking guy does not have near the value that a 9/10 looking girl does, based on just looks alone. This has both advantages and disadvantages for both sexes. The advantage for guys is that they have a lot more freedom than girls do to increase their worth, and if they stop being lazy and work on themselves they can become a high value guy a lot more reliably than a girl can. The disadvantage for guys is that they do not get freebies like hot girls do. For girls it is a lot more deterministic, if you are born pretty your life will be on easy mode, you can be a total loser and still be valued by society and marry some wealthy guy and live well. If you are not pretty it will be harder but these days with surgery and stuff there is still hope. Now when i say high value i am talking striclty on survival terms, because that is what society values. Stuff like inner beauty even though would be considered part of a high value person on this forum, society does not reward it much so i am not talking it into account. Confident charming asshole= High value guy. Weak kind caring person= Low value guy. Hot bitchy dumb girl= High value girl. Ugly smart caring girl= Low value girl. This is how survival and hence society views people. This is the logic i used on this post. It seems super disgusting and cruel and well survival is just that, disgusting and cruel.

Girls can be really retarded sometimes, it is just how they are. In this case from what i read your messages were super normal, to the point and not thirsty at all (you did not suggest to go at your house or anything like that). Your approach was also good since she agreed initially to go for a walk with you. Honestly think she either found someone better or is a disrespectful person. Maybe something came up in her life and she was like fuck that guy i no need to officially cancel with him. Some girls can be like this, some are respectful and act normally. Unless you made a mistake somewhere and not telling us then it is not your fault at all. Do not beat yourself over it. People can be weird and rude, it is just life. Forget this one, she does not deserve you.

I have noticed most male insecurities are regarding stuff that they cannot really change. The 3 biggest one are baldness, height and penis size. From 1 side it is very cruel to be judged and unloved for something that you cannot change and that really sucks. However from another side it relives all the burden of such things from you knowing you cannot change it. You cannot do anything about your penis size so just forget about it and focus on other things. One good thing about penis size compared to height, baldness, ugly face etc is that it does NOT lower your chances to attract someone at all. If a girl sees your penis she is already attracted to you and willing to sleep with you so it should not really interfere much with that part. Normally guys main concern is that small penis will make it harder to please woman in bed but i think there is more to sex than just size. Watch Leo's videos about sex, i think he also has the same issue as you (no offense Leo) and maybe his videos can make you good in bed regardless of size. Trust me, we all have our own insecurities that we struggle with you are not alone here. Try to get a good body and shave well down there, that will help you look better naked. Hope my response helps you. Kind regards

@Leo Gura The how to get laid/conscious relationships videos would be really helpful for that.

@Preety_India Thing is that these things are very cultural dependent. In India and most conservative countries it is as you say. However in more western countries it is not. I know a lot of guys that would love if a woman approached them but it never happens so they approach. There is nothing wrong with guy having to approach but you complain about being approached which is a paradox. How would you fix this issue? Force guys to reach a certain level of "value" before being given the right to approach? LOOOL. Please be realistic. I would love if you girls opened your legs after 1 hour of chatting but you do not and i understand that it is unrealistic and selfish as fuck and do not complain about it. You basically are asking for square circles here. @wwhy I was just saying that because she complained about being approached by guys, so i told her if you do not like to be approached by guys then maybe you should approach instead.

@Preety_India I do not know about your experiences but usually guys will give girls a chance as long as they are somewhat attracted to them if she approaches the guy. Some are dicks i guess but usually they will not be more rude than girls will be.

@Preety_India If you women approached guys this situations would not happen. Guy almost never gets approached so of course he is forced to approach. What is he supposed to do? He will not get approached so he is forced to approach. Male privilege is get rejected dozens of times and feel unlovable? What kind of privilege is that?

@Preety_India They are all superficial things based on survival. Confidence, charisma, money, status, power, hot tits, hot ass, feminine behavior etc it is all superficial. You treat looks as superficial and confidence, charisma, ambition, humor, money, and status as not superficial. THEY ARE ALL EQUAL SUPERFICIAL. They are based on selfish survival which has nothing do to with truth or actualization. Also i am talking about society here at large, stop making it personal please. It is not about me or you or anyone else replying here. Society values hot girls and successful guys. You keep saying "high actualized people" do not care about that. Well 99 percent of people are not that and they care about that. This is about the average chimp of society not about some actualized budha person. Most people you will interact with will not be game B kinda people.

@Consept That is exactly what i meant.

@Preety_India Personally i would date an average looking girl if i liked her personality. Even a bit below average. Most guys would not if they did not find the girl physically attractive. Maybe i would. This is not about me for the 100th time, i care about looks far less than 90 percent of guys out there including Leo. To me feminine behavior is much more attractive than looks are. However society in a large scale tends to differ and that is not my fault, problem or wish. Secondly i love how you girls here make guys feel bad about caring about looks a lot like it is something bad. Meanwhile same girls care about equally superficial stuff like confidence, charm, status and money. Both are equally superficial and say nothing about your inner personality in the end. Some of the most fucked up people in the world are confident charming famous and rich. Why don't you feel bad about liking such guys? Why should guys feel bad about liking hot girls. Again personally i care about looks FAR less than most guys but that is because i am a bit feminine in this regard. Most guys especially the masculine ones you crave are VERY look focused and there is nothing wrong with that. Both genders like superficial stuff anyway.

@wwhy I was talking about guys not girls. Girls have value based on looks so you are just proving my point. A homeless shy girl that looks good is 100 times more valuable than a homeless shy guys that looks good. ofc if the guy looks as good as model then he can get a modelling jobs hence no longer homeless haahhahahah. But by looking good i mean just good not 10/10 good.

@wwhy A homeless shy person can be the most caring and kind person you ever met. Does society care about that? NO! He will be seen as a loser by most of society and no girl will be attracted to him.

@Display_Name Thank you for understanding what i meant and not making this a personal attack on the guys of this forum.

I love how when i say a simple observation about how society and survival works this whole forum goes ablaze and they start talking about how stage orange this section is etc. GUYS IF YOU DID NOT NOTICE SOCIETY IS MOSTLY STAGE ORANGE, of course what is considered high value will be based purely on survival. When you guys say integrity trustworthiness etc is high value well it is it not on our society. I doubt the most successful people have a lot of those qualities, they are mostly selfish devils. Devilry is rewarded these days, not human decency. When it comes to dating, value is purely on survival terms. A kind caring person is worthless in survival terms, hence his value in society regarding dating is low. A kind caring fat girl and a kind caring weak wimp guy will not have success on the dating market. Denying this is like denying that water is wet and fire is hot.

@Leo Gura Even if being awake was as simple as 5000 hours of meditation still 0.0000001 percent would be awake. It is not that you JUST need godly genes, it is just that the benefits are not quantifiable, measurable and most importantly have a steep curve. Imagine telling someone to meditate for 1000 hours before he started to get noticeable results. Good luck with that. Btw i am not disagreeing with your claims regarding the importance of genetics. I am just saying that even with the right genetics it would be difficult given the state of our society right now.

Personally i would date an actualized girl even if she was not conventionally beautiful. You can be high value, actualized and understand how society works at the same time. I said very explicitly that these things are disgusting, unfair and very survival oriented. You are blaming the messenger because you do not like the message, you see i did not create society or survival, i just report what i see. And for a guy i can assure you that women do not fall for your soul or any of that bullshit girls keep saying. They fall for traits that you can have and still be a piece of shit person. Some of the most successful guys with girls are the biggest assholes out there. Watch Leo's video on Why women fall for assholes for more clarification. Stop making this personal about me.

@Emerald I never said that guys would want that. I said guy is valued on society a lot more because of what he does and because of how he acts, not because of how he looks. The fact that those girls get so much freebies and people talking to them as you say is a pure sign of high value. High value guys get the same treatment. A rich famous person will get just as many girls wanting to fuck him as a 9/10 hot girl will. There is a reason the expression: "Get laid like a rock star" exists. Rock star guy= Hot girl, in terms of society value. Yes selfish value but we do not live in enlightenment land, we live in selfish survival land.

Saying hot girls do not get better treatment and more opportunities than non hot girls is pure delusion. It even happens for guys but for girls that difference is 10x bigger. Otherwise, girls would not spend so much money, time and mental energy caring for about their looks. Why are plastic surgeries done almost exclusively by females. Go and call a girl fat and ugly and see how much that hurts her. Why? Because she knows how much that affects the quality of her life. Yes i am talking about value in terms of pure selfish survival value but majority of the population is at that level right now. We are talking generalities here. Me and you probably are a bit above that due to Leo's work.

@aurum There definitely is, especially for wife material stuff. However i was referring more to getting princess like treatment rather than marriage stuff. When i say they have high value in society because of looks, this is what i am referring to. Of course this is a bit over the top for humor but not too far away from real life. Only works for really hot girls though (8.5/10 plus). For guys, only rich guy celebrities would get this kind of treatment. A male model will not (at least not that much).

@Joel3102 They matter for sure but i do not think not hot girls with great personality get free trips in Dubai and 1000 simps willing to donate to them the same way than a hot girl with meh personality will. A rich successful alpha guy has the same value in society as super hot girl does. That is why they often end up together.

@wwhy Dude why do hot girls get so many offers, great treatment etc by society. Because they are valuable. I am not saying whether you would date one, i am saying a hot girl will be treated like a princess by society a lot more than non hot girls will. I am talking about ego survival here.