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@Alexo45 If you are good looking just use online dating. You will get dates and avoid approaching although i would recommend it just to conquer your fears. As a good looking guy it is very easy to get laid if you actually want these days so just use some online dating and get your needs met.

That is like asking do you like being manipulated? Nobody does if you ask it like that but it works. Otherwise it would not exist. Being a high value is 1 thing but gaming girls is basically manipulating them into sleeping with you. Just like sales is manipulating the customer to buy your product. By manipulation i do not mean screwing people over with a shitty product, it just means having them do what you want. It can be done more ethically like by arguments, demonstration of value etc or less ethically like lying, hyperbolic statements etc.

Interesting how these incel talk question shit did not exist before 2000. Technology and social media really fucked things up.

@Leo Gura Well you can use some logic for most of RSD staff, a lot of them have been caught up with not attractive wives/gfs (nothing wrong in principle but if you claim to be dating god it is a bit offsetting). You have said yourself that John is good at getting results and even his haters say that his game is legit, only issue is his personality and behavior as a human being. However those 2 unfortunately are kinda independent variables. It is like taking public speaking lessons from Hitler or something hahahah. I would not trust RSD more than i trust John or any of the other PUAs, they all seem like pieces of shit to me but good teachers to how to get laid. I watched some of Tyler old videos that were posted here and even though what he said was very good i found his style of teaching unbelievable obnoxious, like no need to scream every 2 minutes for no reason you know .

@Shin What about kind instead of nice?

@Leo Gura You make it seem like being a scumbag makes dating easier. Yes it does in the sense that you give 0 shits about the girls so it is easier to manipulate them into a close with you (example of waking up early for work), however in terms of attraction they are not connected. You can be charming, funny and charismatic and confident and independent without being narcissistic or an asshole. Yes, it is easier to be confident and independent when you are narcissistic however true confidence is not narcissism. I think people when they try to improve their confidence fall into the trap of narcissism because it is very convenient and ego friendly. Just like people fall into rich quick schemes easily when they re trying to make money. However, you can be humble and confident at the same time, it is just harder and takes more inner work. I am really surprised how girls that talk about loyalty and that shit all the time can even sleep with him considering how easy is it (due to internet) to see who he is. Imagine a guy starting to date a girl that is really hot and then he finds out she has cheated every time and is a shitty person. He would get the fuck out of there or just keep the girl as a fuck buddy. At least a non retarted guy would.

@Leo Gura Interesting how the "awesome guy" in this case is a narcissistic, selfish, manipulative sociopath that brags about banging other guys wives that has struck you as a "scummy". I would never imagine i would have to listen to such low conscious selfish people about "how to be an awesome guy". I am just trying to pick the gold nuggets and remove all the narcissism and selfishness from it. Separate gold from shit basically.

@Roy They sell because their stuff works better than "highly conscious sources". Simple as that. People buy and listen to what works, not what is "highly conscious". If girls were attracted to high conscious behavior then these guys would go bust really fast, thing is they do not for good reason. Expecting guys to give high conscious advice when girls attraction triggers are so low conscious is a fantasy. It is like trying to appeal salad and broccoli to a bunch of starving kids. They do not want that, they want high calorie high fat foods not to starve.

@Preety_India Because men right movements are usually toxic as fuck and very misogynistic. Red pill is the best example of them. Good thing they are not super mainstream even though some of the principles they have are quite accurate (but toxic). Usually weak guys get no empathy and are punished both by females (by not being desirable to be loved by them) and also by society at large (you are a men be strong, dont be like a little bitch!, that attitude). Personally i think everyone should be strong and independent but the thing with guys is that if they are weak their survival value gets lower A LOT MORE than if females are weak, therefore guys have stronger survival reasons to be strong. Usually when females abuse a guy it happens often because the guy is acting not properly than anything else, the guy can easily change his situation if he wants to. A guy on the other hand can easily overpower you and there is nothing you can do about it. Therefore females get more sympathy when they are abused than guys do and rightfully so.

@Leo Gura Or she is just not attracted to you and/or compatible and nothing will change that. PUAs make it like it is your fault for every failure and that is not true. Some girls just will not sleep with you and there is nothing you can do about it. Some of course, not all. Talk to a lot and some will hook hard.

@Leo Gura It is not about owning you sex. I am not saying the person is cruel because she rejected someone. Everyone rejects people. The issue is HOW you do it. If you play with people feelings like that, that is what is fucked up. She can just tell him she is not interested in him and let him go, instead of basically getting him to fall for her and then cut ties and crush him like that. This is basically emotionally manipulation and playing not a rejection. You often complain about PUAs hurting girls, how is this any different? This type of behavior is done by both sexes and is fucked up.

@Leo Gura That is how fucked up cruel monster women are. Both guys and girls that do this shit are pieces of shit people with 0 integrity and human decency. There is nothing wrong with rejecting someone but if you do it in such a manipulative way, almost like you are doing it for fun, in my opinion it is as harmful as assaulting or stealing from someone in terms of the damage you do to them. Otherwise great advice. @AlwaysJoggin Bro you got unlucky with such a fucked up person, sorry to hear it. There is 1 piece of advice i can give you, when dating before the girl legit likes you and you start dating you should try not have a lot of feelings. If you fall for them like this so easily, you leave the door open for the fucked up ones to hurt you like this. You are young like me, i can understand how you fell so hard in 3 weeks for someone but honestly it is not worth the pain to get so attached to fast. Leo's advice here is perfectly legit. Do not be weak when dealing with girls, it will destroy you. You can be vulnerable and open but not weak. I went through something similar (was not manipulated though and it was my fault) and boy does it make you stronger and more grounded. 1 really important note is not to have the "women are evil and cruel" attitude and join the red pill toxic ideologies. Do not make this a gender thing, both sexes do this.

@Preety_India Your message is very well written and makes total sense. However personally and maybe other guys here have an issue. That is that if we do what you say, build comfort and get close and stuff there is a risk of getting friend zoned. Personally i have done basically what you say and the person does not feel attracted to me, just very comfortable and at ease. How do you balance the two? Now ofc you will not be friend zoned if you talk a bit in text before asking to hang out but in general i see this friend zone epidemic that is caused by guys building too much comfort and too little boldness and move making. Basically no balls.

So i would like your thoughts on this. I have noticed that society places the majority of the girls social value on her looks and a bit on how feminine her beaviour is. Looks for the most part are something you are born with. Yes taking care of yourself and stuff can help quite a bit but it can only get you so far. Meanwhile a guy's value is a lot more social, things like ambition, social skills, confidence, charisma, financial stability, wisdom etc. These things are given a lot of value in society. If you look at the most high value guys on the world they are usually guys on their 50s with high charisma and money and status. Unless you are born into a super rich family (trump jr for example hehe) then you gotta work for that. You are not born a confident charismatic funny wealthy guy, you become one through work. Now good looking guys which are naturally born like that do have a lot of things easier, that is for sure. However a 9/10 looking guy does not have near the value that a 9/10 looking girl does, based on just looks alone. This has both advantages and disadvantages for both sexes. The advantage for guys is that they have a lot more freedom than girls do to increase their worth, and if they stop being lazy and work on themselves they can become a high value guy a lot more reliably than a girl can. The disadvantage for guys is that they do not get freebies like hot girls do. For girls it is a lot more deterministic, if you are born pretty your life will be on easy mode, you can be a total loser and still be valued by society and marry some wealthy guy and live well. If you are not pretty it will be harder but these days with surgery and stuff there is still hope. Now when i say high value i am talking striclty on survival terms, because that is what society values. Stuff like inner beauty even though would be considered part of a high value person on this forum, society does not reward it much so i am not talking it into account. Confident charming asshole= High value guy. Weak kind caring person= Low value guy. Hot bitchy dumb girl= High value girl. Ugly smart caring girl= Low value girl. This is how survival and hence society views people. This is the logic i used on this post. It seems super disgusting and cruel and well survival is just that, disgusting and cruel.

Girls can be really retarded sometimes, it is just how they are. In this case from what i read your messages were super normal, to the point and not thirsty at all (you did not suggest to go at your house or anything like that). Your approach was also good since she agreed initially to go for a walk with you. Honestly think she either found someone better or is a disrespectful person. Maybe something came up in her life and she was like fuck that guy i no need to officially cancel with him. Some girls can be like this, some are respectful and act normally. Unless you made a mistake somewhere and not telling us then it is not your fault at all. Do not beat yourself over it. People can be weird and rude, it is just life. Forget this one, she does not deserve you.

I have noticed most male insecurities are regarding stuff that they cannot really change. The 3 biggest one are baldness, height and penis size. From 1 side it is very cruel to be judged and unloved for something that you cannot change and that really sucks. However from another side it relives all the burden of such things from you knowing you cannot change it. You cannot do anything about your penis size so just forget about it and focus on other things. One good thing about penis size compared to height, baldness, ugly face etc is that it does NOT lower your chances to attract someone at all. If a girl sees your penis she is already attracted to you and willing to sleep with you so it should not really interfere much with that part. Normally guys main concern is that small penis will make it harder to please woman in bed but i think there is more to sex than just size. Watch Leo's videos about sex, i think he also has the same issue as you (no offense Leo) and maybe his videos can make you good in bed regardless of size. Trust me, we all have our own insecurities that we struggle with you are not alone here. Try to get a good body and shave well down there, that will help you look better naked. Hope my response helps you. Kind regards

@Leo Gura The how to get laid/conscious relationships videos would be really helpful for that.

@Preety_India Thing is that these things are very cultural dependent. In India and most conservative countries it is as you say. However in more western countries it is not. I know a lot of guys that would love if a woman approached them but it never happens so they approach. There is nothing wrong with guy having to approach but you complain about being approached which is a paradox. How would you fix this issue? Force guys to reach a certain level of "value" before being given the right to approach? LOOOL. Please be realistic. I would love if you girls opened your legs after 1 hour of chatting but you do not and i understand that it is unrealistic and selfish as fuck and do not complain about it. You basically are asking for square circles here. @wwhy I was just saying that because she complained about being approached by guys, so i told her if you do not like to be approached by guys then maybe you should approach instead.

@Preety_India I do not know about your experiences but usually guys will give girls a chance as long as they are somewhat attracted to them if she approaches the guy. Some are dicks i guess but usually they will not be more rude than girls will be.

@Preety_India If you women approached guys this situations would not happen. Guy almost never gets approached so of course he is forced to approach. What is he supposed to do? He will not get approached so he is forced to approach. Male privilege is get rejected dozens of times and feel unlovable? What kind of privilege is that?

@Preety_India They are all superficial things based on survival. Confidence, charisma, money, status, power, hot tits, hot ass, feminine behavior etc it is all superficial. You treat looks as superficial and confidence, charisma, ambition, humor, money, and status as not superficial. THEY ARE ALL EQUAL SUPERFICIAL. They are based on selfish survival which has nothing do to with truth or actualization. Also i am talking about society here at large, stop making it personal please. It is not about me or you or anyone else replying here. Society values hot girls and successful guys. You keep saying "high actualized people" do not care about that. Well 99 percent of people are not that and they care about that. This is about the average chimp of society not about some actualized budha person. Most people you will interact with will not be game B kinda people.

@Consept That is exactly what i meant.

@Preety_India Personally i would date an average looking girl if i liked her personality. Even a bit below average. Most guys would not if they did not find the girl physically attractive. Maybe i would. This is not about me for the 100th time, i care about looks far less than 90 percent of guys out there including Leo. To me feminine behavior is much more attractive than looks are. However society in a large scale tends to differ and that is not my fault, problem or wish. Secondly i love how you girls here make guys feel bad about caring about looks a lot like it is something bad. Meanwhile same girls care about equally superficial stuff like confidence, charm, status and money. Both are equally superficial and say nothing about your inner personality in the end. Some of the most fucked up people in the world are confident charming famous and rich. Why don't you feel bad about liking such guys? Why should guys feel bad about liking hot girls. Again personally i care about looks FAR less than most guys but that is because i am a bit feminine in this regard. Most guys especially the masculine ones you crave are VERY look focused and there is nothing wrong with that. Both genders like superficial stuff anyway.

@wwhy I was talking about guys not girls. Girls have value based on looks so you are just proving my point. A homeless shy girl that looks good is 100 times more valuable than a homeless shy guys that looks good. ofc if the guy looks as good as model then he can get a modelling jobs hence no longer homeless haahhahahah. But by looking good i mean just good not 10/10 good.

@wwhy A homeless shy person can be the most caring and kind person you ever met. Does society care about that? NO! He will be seen as a loser by most of society and no girl will be attracted to him.