Karmadhi

You guys are loosing track of the problem with these ridicioulous slut shaming stuff. OF COURSE, there is nothing wrong if girls sleep around as long as they are not cheating. I thought this group was more evolved than to slut shame. The issue the thread opener meant was that if a guy is vocal about his attraction triggers on females, females will get angry and make him feel bad. If guy says i want a healthy weight pretty girl, he is considered a shallow pig. Meanwhile, when girls say they want a confident charming successful man, that is considered normal and cool. Both attraction triggers are equally selfish and survival based, however males are made to feel bad about theirs while women are not. This is the issue.

@Lucas-fgm This is stage green issue. It destroys gender to the point where everyone is the same. I do not like toxic masculinity and abusive assholes but a guy should not be a little wimp bitch. No wonders incels are growing fast in developed countries, guys personalities are being completly destroyed in terms of polarization. When you have guys without masculine personalities then of course looks and money will be everything, that is all females have to judge them on. Side effect of stage green are incels and an increase of confused guys that have no polarity in them. Guys in Belgium where i am staying rn (im not belgian) are quite similar to what you wrote. On an individual level it is better because for example if i learn some game i can stand out from 90 percent of the lame guys here. My competition is being destroyed for free, so on a selfish level i should like this. However, on a collective level is not healthy for society and leads to social issues. I am curious, how do guys in Sweden for example find partners? If they are passive, do not approach, are not very social and shy then how they even manage to find someone?

@Lucas-fgm How exactly are they lame i am curious?

@bejapuskas I do not think that is a feasable strategy. I will implement orange dating and cast a huge net. Thank you for the support

@Peter Miklis I remember reading the comment section on his older dating videos. "I believed i would never date an attractive girl because of my looks due to the studies i read and used to limit myself because of them". Something along these lines. Quite blackpilled to me

@Preety_India You are right, however again it is about the demographic. Overwhelming majority of girls fall for that orange behaviour shit. You cannot use members of this forumn as examples, they are too few. Personally i used to be that guy females here describe and it did not work for me. Most girls reward fun and cocky, not self actualized. Your way of thinking is more evolved but too advanced for most guys to have success if they implement your ways. It is currently too advanced and not practical. Imagine teaching in the middle east people about cultural relativism, that place is not evolved enough for it.

@Preety_India 1. Leo learned about how to get girls using PUA stuff, which are stage orange. 2. Most females in developed countries, especially pre 30 are stage orange, therefore orange strategies work best to get them. You cater your strategies to the level of development of the individual you are dealing with. Stage green strategies will get you rejected with orange women. 3. Most females are still slaves to their primitive attraction triggers, very few can transcend them. Most girls especially pre 30 will just follow their emotions like monkeys without stopping and thinking "will this guy treat me well? will the relationship with him make me happy?". It is the equivalent of you eating junk food because it tastes good without ever stopping and thinking if it is actually good for you. When you are looking to get a girl, you cater to the majority of the population, not to 5 percent of super developed conscious people. Especially girls that conscious pre 30 are rarer than a 10/10 hot girl, they lack the life experience to develop such awareness. 4. Biological attraction itself is very animalistic which tends to be on the lower stages of the spiral. Therefore to properly use it to get a girl, such strategies are useful. This is not about conscious dating, it is about getting a girlfriend. Just like low conscious business leads to more profit, low conscious dating strategies lead to more girls wanting to be with you.

@Leo Gura Considering you have said to be slightly blackpilled for years before PUA then you re saying you were dumb too? A person relatively more actualized than most people was dumb? I do not think the blackpill these days is just bait for legit dumb people, it is usually the more intelligent people that get into it because of their analytical minds and blackpill feeding them data and "science". Blackpill is an issue of lack of wisdom, not lack of intelligence. @Striving for more What cracks me up about these posts is that its usually average looking or decent looking guys complaining. If you were legit a 2/10 then i would feel some empathy but a 6.5/10????? Really man? You know most blackpill channels legit say if you are a 5/10 or more you can get girls if you try a lot. So your source of information is telling you that you are wrong. I think you are using the blackpill as a cope and i have done too. Most people have to some extent even without being aware what the blackpill is. It is normal to feel like that sometimes. However, know that your issue is not looks in this case but basically other things. What they are, i do not know. You must find out yourself and try to fix it. You do not need to be a Chad to get girls, you just not need to be legit ugly. Big difference.

@Leo Gura I am 22 year old and i come from a blue country so yeah, i am not fully Green yet. However, i have friends from all sorts of religions, sexualities, races, countries etc and i am cool with all of them. I do not dislike any of them inherently nor think my culture is superior. In these ways i am green. However, i am struggling a bit with handling the oversensitive element of stage green, i find it a bit too much. I personally never use racist or offensive language on others but that is because i do not consider race or religion etc to be something that you should feel bad about. My biggest issue with cancel culture and oversensitivness is how downright difficult it makes it for others to go to green. I have talked with dozens of blue/orange folks (they do not know spiral dynamics) and whenever the conversation goes towards stage green people and society, they always complain about how oversensitive it is. I think if we want society to move towards green, this should be handled a little better. Imagine talking to a blue folk about orange, and he starts to complain how greedy capitalists are because that is all he can think about stage orange. My understanding of spiral dynamics is not the best (did not read its books yet) so if i made mistakes explaining do not crucify me please

@Leo Gura Have you got nothing better to do than complain about other social issues? Personally i like stage green a lot but cancel culture is god damn retarted and arguably the biggest thing keeping people from reaching stage green. Solving cancel culture problem could help more people get into green i think. No reason for people to be so over sensitive these days about everything. There are bigger issues than people getting "crucified" by society for saying something slightly offensive. Our ancestors slit others throats, we cry when someone uses the N-word unjustly. Forcing people not to use specific words due to social outcasting is not really a healthy way to grow them. That is basically a censorship based on social pressure. Punishment based morality. If someone does not use the N-word because of fear of getting "crucified" by society then that does not really help him grow. Not much different from how religion tries to make people act "good" out of fear of hell. How about educating people why racism is bad better rather than hating on them for using some word that in the end of the day does not hurt anyone.

@something_else Because the world today is all about kindness, fairness, humbleness etc. Just look at media and the way people are taught, they are taught to be nice kind sweet etc. Why you think nice guys are such a problem these days (how this thread was made), it is because the social narrative pushes guys to be nice. For a guy to be attractive he needs to go against the social narrative which makes guys pussies. For females, the social narrative aids what they need to develop which is kindness, sweetnes niceness etc. 2000 years ago life was harsh and what was expected out of men was ruthlessness and determination and strenght. These days out of them is these SJW narratives that make men pussies. Being fat is an issue for both guys and girls. You think most guys will not have a much harder dating life with being very overweight? The existance of the blackpill shows that guys are insecure also. Fair points. Also a poor indian should not feel frustrated that his country is poor, he should just try to escape poverty. However we feel inclined in this forumn to talk about how to reduce poverty and wealth inequality. It does not help, it is just a way to blow off steam. You wrongly assume that if someone complains here then he is not doing anything to change his situation. You can do both since writting here takes max 10 minutes a day. Plenty of time to do other more healthy things.

@something_else They honestly are and i am not proud of some of the things i write when i re read them months after. Neccesary evil i guess. Nobody i know knows about them and they are a little secret of mine. I feel like if i did not express myself here i would go and rant in real life about it which would hurt me quite a lot. At least here it is a more healthy medium to channel it and get slapped in the face for it. I like when people slap me in the face and give good arguments about why im wrong, i want to be proven wrong with good arguments. However the proof i see in everyday life needs some serious arguments here to be debunked. I am not talking about incels and being ugly and blackpill and bullshit like that. I do not believe in that shit, anybody can get laid if they really want. However the work you need to get laid is ridiciously high compared to getting a relationship for a female (getting laid equivalent of females is relationships). I have attractive female friends and for them to find a great guy is a legit joke (as expected since they are attractive). However, okay/normal looking female friends i have (my equivalent in the dating market) have still options with pretty decent guys which they often reject/ignore for the most bullshit reasons. If i had access to similar girls (decent but not great ones) i would be super happy and appreciate it.

@something_else Google Nicky Minaj before and after and see how much you can actually do about it. And i am talking just about the face with that example. If a girl goes to the gym and has a hot fit body, it will put her above a lot of girls in most countries. Feminine behaviour is also very attractive for guys which is a lot easier to develop than to become a ruthless asshole like girls get wet for. Some of the girls that got chased the most that i have known were okay looking with feminine personalities. Just because some guys judge girls purely on looks does not mean all guys do, plenty see other more changable things too (like behaviour). Although with technology a girl does not even need these things. She can just use her phone to get dates with guys much higher value than her quite easily. If online dating and social media did not exist then your arguments would be more realistic, however they do not reflect reality much. 95 percent of guys are not player pua super rich chad people like dan bilzerian than have 40 hotties after them. They are normal or decent guys, thats it. Even if i personally become a top 10 percent man, it will not change this reality and people will still complain.

@Tangerinedream Thing is most of these guys throwing themselves at girls are pretty decent guys. I would agree if they were fat slobs that just jerk off all day and cannot hold a conversation, however usually they are relatively successful in what they do, high integrity, smart, cool confident people. So a better example would be if 100 decent looking (but not hot girls) throw themselves at you. Not bad at all.

@something_else This is not about attracting girls, Leo said "you do not know what girls struggles are" as if i am ignoring them, i just do not know what they are. People also use instagram which gives 0 value, people do stuff that gives no value in their lives all the time. Understanding the struggles of others can be useful to know to become more holistic, this is not a matter of getting better with girls, it is a matter of feeling less like you were dealt the harder hand.

Does Jeff Bezos really deserve having 200 billion dollars in his name? Did he work as much as millions of his employees combined? No body is saying he should not be rewarded more than someone stacking boxes in Amazon warehouses, however the amount of money he makes is ridicioulous. No reason for Jeff Bezos not to have 20 million in name and the other 199 billion distributed more fairly to the millions of underpaid workers that do 99.99999 percent of the actual work.

@Preety_India Yeah makes sense, i only asked because Mystery Method and John Anthony lifestyle promote DHV a lot and those two have like 300 and 1300 laycounts specifically. Insane numbers, so i thought maybe DHV work better than the RSD stuff since i doubt RSD have such insane high laycounts. Your and Leo's arguments make sense to me.

@knakoo It is a good video however that is about being like overly nice and fake nice. We are talking about genouine niceness so when you are nice and kind because that is who you are, not to get sex. You should be nice and kind because that is who you are, not because it would get you girls. Personally i have no issues with being nice and kind and not getting extra points towards getting laid, it is an issue when being GENOUINE nice actually reduces your chances and you are forced to become an arrogant selfish dick. IMO you should not become an arrogant selfish dick if that is not who you are authentically just to get laid. Your realness is more important.

@Leo Gura True words, a thing which can be fixed only through experience. Meditation will not work with this one. Abudance is needed to cure it. Similar to having friends, once you burn through that social karma neediness tends to be removed quite a lot. Also regarding the struggles of girls except the 3 i mentioned which can be easily avoided by dating normies over players (getting pumped and dumped, dumped for younger/hotter girls and abused) are there any others? Would be quite curious to know.

When you work on yourself and still denied love from girls it can make you a bit bitter in these situations. I can assure you in normal life i am a lot more positive and uplifiting, usually my toxicity comes about in forums in threads like these. I actively try not to influence my real life

Thank you very much for your replies. Very in detail and useful

@Jacob Morres Good! This is the sort of wisdom people should have in dating. Not go for people based on chimp brain monkey feelings. If people had the same dumbness when picking food as they do when picking partners then it would be called America. hahahahhahaha

@Leo Gura @Leo Gura Getting pumped and dumped by players is not a challenge in my book. Stay away from players and you will not get abused nor pumped and dumped nor dumped for younger/hotter girls. Problem solved. I tell guys all the time to avoid spoiled bitchy hot girls and not just go for pure looks so same logic applies for guys too. Be selective and not go for pure animalistic attraction like a fucking moron and then complain when you get burned. Have some wisdom on who you choose to date, this applies for both sexes in different ways. If there are other issues you can maybe explain them instead of being obtuse about it. Maybe a short thread because most guys here unfortunately are too self biased to see it. I remember you mentioning being abused, pumped and dumped and dumped for younger girls. In the domain of dating that is. If you go outside of dating then yeah it is another story and it is fucked up (fear of rape, giving birth, periods, emotional flunctuations, etc).

@Lucas-fgm I agree with you. Guys sexality is equally fucked up and shallow. The only thing which i believe frustrates guys a lot is that females since young are properly told what guys like. Meanwhile guys are not taught properly at all what females like. Just see what females in this self development forumn say, they deny all and say females want good kind guys. Imagine being raised all your life believing you should act X way and then that whole reality crumbling when you actually start applying X and also getting a couple of hard heartbreaks from it. If guys were properly taught what attracts females from a young age like females are properly taught what guys like then there would be no need for such threads. A second reason is that due to comfort life these days guys have become soft and lost side with their more ruthless part. Basically creating stage red shadows, which makes them meek and weak. In the past life developed you properly to be a strong man due to how brutal it was, these days guys need to do that work themselves in a society that heavily discourages them to do so. You are basically going against the wind and it is difficult process. People do not like to do difficult things hence they complain.

@Leo Gura Thing is women have it as easy to get a relationship as it is to get sex. Women get proposed by guys all the time to be their girlfriend, not seduces to sex by some creep. Most girls have no issue getting a boyfriend to commit to them as long as that guy is not some player kind of personna that is too rare to consider. It is true that guys value sex a lot more than girls do however usually they will propose to a girl they like in some way so the girl has no issue getting a guy as a partner. At least pre 30 this is how it happens. Only thing is that girls only consider like top 10 percent of guys worthy of them so all those offers they get are turned down and when that 1/100 guy ignores them they get depressed and upset. Seen this shit with so many feamles in my life it is not even funny.