Karmadhi

You guys made such a huge outrage over the Hamas attack which killed 95% adults (30 kids killed from 1100 overall), yet when Israel kills 30% childreen (15.000 from 45.000) it is "just war". Israel is making Hamas which is quite brutal on its own end, seem soft.

And you still go on about how Israel is a "liberal democracy" filled with Western values. It is in reality more close to countries like Iran, Russia or China when it comes to moral development and biases. Name me 1 thing Russia, Iran or China have done in the last 20 years that is worse than what Israel has done in the past 20 years? I am waiting.

The far right supports the strong and the bully. The far left supports the weak and the bullied. Israel is the strong and the bully. Palestine is the weak and the bullied. Simple as that.

It is not that simple. Most guys are social yet still they struggle more. The biggest issue is social media which gives people the illusion of getting the best they can get. In the past, people hanged out around their circle and met people there. Today a girl can go on Tinder or Instagram and get tons of attention, which inflates the market like crazy. Also the sexual liberation makes girl more prone to go for the top guys while ignoring the rest. It is not that dating has gotten harder for everyone, it has gotten harder for the average guy. The top guys have it better than ever. Just like wealth inequality has greatly increased, so has dating inequality.

Agreed, good analogy.

Why should the US aid you? You are the one at war, fight it yourself. If you cannot fight it then try to make peace. Bullying others then crying to Big Daddy USA when you cannot defeat the enemy is deplorable. Now you may say, "They keep attacking us"; what choice we got? End the war in Gaza for once. If they keep bombing, then we will empathise with you a bit more. Oh yeah, also kick out these guys and bring them back to Israel. As of January 2023, there are 144 Israeli settlements in the West Bank, including 12 in East Jerusalem.[29] In addition, there are over 100 Israeli illegal outposts (not sanctioned by the Israeli government) in the West Bank. In total, over 500,000 Israeli settlers live in the West Bank excluding East Jerusalem,[60][61] with an additional 220,000 Jewish settlers residing in East Jerusalem.[30][31] Additionally, over 20,000 Israeli citizens live in settlements in the Golan Heights.[62][63] These people there are the equivalent of illegal immigrants. Cant you see how hard it is for us to empathise with you when you keep doing this bullshit.

UN says 66 percent of Gaza buildings damaged since October 7 The UN Satellite Centre (UNOSAT) says very high-resolution imagery collected on September 3 and 6 showed two-thirds of the total structures in the Gaza Strip were damaged. “Those 66 percent of damaged buildings in the Gaza Strip account for 163,778 structures in total,” it said. The last assessment, based on images from early July, determined that 63 percent of structures in the Palestinian territory had been damaged. The damage now included “52,564 structures that have been destroyed; 18,913 severely damaged; 35,591 possibly damaged structures; and 56,710 moderately affected”, UNOSAT revealed. Gaza City has been notably affected, with 36,611 structures destroyed, it added. This is WW2 level destruction here. Are you proud Israel for this?

This thread is 174 pages now. I see as much chance of the discussions on this thread as I do on the Palestine Israel conflict being permanently resolved now.

Are you from Israel or something? You seem quite triggered about the criticism of Israel.

And IDF deserves what Hamas and Hezbollah gave them. Two devils co destroying each other. Win for the world.

So did Hitler about Germans. The two leaders are quite similar in a lot of ways. Bibi version of Israeli security is to wipe out everyone around Israel to ensure Israel has nobody to attack it. Bibi makes Putin look soft in comparison.

Did you read my previous post here? I literally said USA gives Israel FAR MORE support than ANY other European country. Why so? Compare the unconditional support Ukraine gets compared to Israel, especially among Republicans. Why the America first people say "USA first with Israel as an exception". I do not see them say "USA first with Ukraine or France or Italy or whatever as an exception". There is a pure insane Israeli favourism here which I fail to understand why. There are plenty of non Muslim liberal democracies out there that do not get the same unconditional support Israel gets. Hence my only conclusion is the AIPAC influence and Jewish influence in USA media and politics. If there is another reason, feel free to tell me.

What relationship? What does USA get back? The irony is that Israel provides USA intelligence against terrorism which exists because of USA support of Israel in the first place! USA gets oil from Saudi, has good relations with most countries there and also buys weapons from Saudi. How exactly does Israel aid USA so much? I feel like USA does 10x more than Israel does back. I do not want to go to theories but I feel like the only rational explanation is the power of the Jewish Lobby (AIPAC) and most of the media being owned/run by Jews/Zionists. Basically total infiltration.

Did you forget Israel has nuclear weapons and is the only country in the region that does? That alone makes it impossible to actually destroy Israel.

Why does the US SPECIFICALLY lick the ass of Israel compared to other countries? Damn, even hardcore pro USA isolationalist republicans have said "USA first and only with Israel as an exception". I have not seen the USA gives this amount of unconditional support to any other country. There are plenty of other countries with Western values out there, plenty of countries that buy from the US, plenty of countries that even align with the US religion as Christians. For example Ukraine is a moderate democracy, very pro US these days and has arms agreements with the US. Yet the support Israel gets is far bigger and unconditional. I doubt USA would do what it does for Israel for countries like Italy or Macedonia for example. Why is Israel so special? And if you will say "It is their only ally in the Middle East", as far as i know Saudi is also a USA ally, gives them oil and buys weapons from them. I can understand fundamentally why USA supports Israel over Palestine, but I cannot understand why it supports Israel far more than ANY other country in the world.

Thank you for your response. Really appreciate you being so active in these threads and replying to us personally. Very few do that. We learn as much from this forum and interacting with you personally as we do from your videos

I have seen a lot of Israeli remarks about that where they say that they gave Palestinians multiple chances to create their own state including the Oslo accords and they turned them all down. Also when they withdrew from Gaza in 2005, Gaza was turned into Hamastan. Basically saying Israel was willing to have peace but Palestinians always refused it. Now, what would you say to them as a response?

Like Judaism is better lol, it came up before Islam anyway. I do not like orthodox Islam nor religion for that matter but it is so hypocritical for someone living in a Judaist country to criticize and insult other religions.

It would good if the other Hezbollah of the Middle East (IDF) also went up in flames.

There is, it is called the QURAN. The Quran has not been changed since its inception and that is what Islam is about. The moment you go outside the QURAN then it is no longer Islam but something else. And QURAN makes it clear that killing non combatants is strictly forbidden. In the case of Islam, the QURAN is so powerful that people are forced to memorize it. I do agree that there are cases where the QURAN can be interpreted but when it comes to how you wage war, it is quite clear. A child chilling home is a non combatant. There is no "what if" there. So what Hamas did is non Islamic behaviour. Same with ISIS. I know in Christianity all are equal before God but I do not know if Christianity mentions whether killing of non combatants is allowed or not. I know in Judaism it is allowed via the Amalek references. So is discrimination if you are a non Jew (gentile and non gentile division which does not exist in Christianity or Islam). Since in Islam or Christianity you can covert meanwhile in Judaism you cannot. Keep in mind most people living in Christian countries or Israel are not very religious but mostly secular. Hence it can distort perceptions.

That is a butchered twisted stage blue/red version of Islam. Actual Islam does not preach killing innocents to reach Nirvana. The issue with this is that it makes Islam seem like a death cult when in reality it is anything but. It is a fairly advanced religion compared to Christianity and especially Judaism. Issue is that it has been deformed and hijacked by nutcases to become what you just wrote. I am personally not religious person (if I had a choice I would pick Buddhism I guess), but I feel like Islam is the most developed religion. Mostly because it came out the latest. So it pains me when it is hated so much because some retards decided to take it and turn it into an abomination. Islam for example STRICTLY forbites the killing of non combatants, even if they belong to the enemy faction. So anyone doing it (be Hamas, Hezbollah, Osama etc), is not really a true Islamist but a deluded idiot who thinks he is being a good Muslim.

The biggest issue people have with the west is their middling on others business (coups, invasions, pushing their values to countries which are not ready for them etc) to advance their personal agenda while pretending to the world to be altruists who only care about good and truth. I think most of the hate towards West comes from this.

No leader is universally loved by his people. The whole reason Gaddafi lost power is because the West heavily funded and supported the anti government rebels. Then they had themselves to intervene military to ensure the rebels succeeded. If he was so hated the West would not have to do anything, he would be naturally overthrown. I doubt a leader that gave his people free education, water ( in a dessert country), oil, health care, good salaries, security etc was so universally hated by his people. Of course there are people that hate him by either being victim of his rule or having different ideologies. Bottom line: If West had not been involved, Gaddafi, as bad as he was would have died in power and Libya would probably not be destroyed with tens of thousands dead on the process. It is clear the better option here.

Even if he did what Leo said, in the grand scheme of things is much better than what happened to Libya. 1000 innocent lives ruined is much better than hundreds of thousnads. I checked over 20.000 dead from the war in Libya and god knows how many on top due to collapsed health care etc. Would not be surprised if the number of people that died trying to escape Libya via sea is greater than 1000. Gaddafi being forcefully removed by the West is one of the worst things they have done on that region. Pure criminal.

Interesting, I did not know that. Of course he was not an angel but much better than civil war and anarchy. The war in Libya alone killed tens of thousands and god knows how many have been killed overall in the resulting internal conflicts plus basically destroying a country who had pretty decent standard of living for its citizens. Free energy, fuel, education, health care, decent wages etc. It is very clear which the lesser evil is here. And if Libya had been carved up properly by France/UK instead of forcing tribes that hated each other into 1 country, maybe you would not have needed a Gaddafi in the first place...