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@Consilience I am curious why so few actually do it. Why is it not normal and common for guys to do this, almost like a rite of passage into menhood hahaha. I know that you will say because it is hard as fuck, which it is. However, other difficult things are encouraged which are difficult like eating boring healthy foods, working out, running, developing crazy work ethic etc. The biggest reason maybe it is that guys scared to approach girls is because of the stigma it has? Maybe it would be cool if it was removed hehe. PS: I know it will not happen with the cancel culture we have these days but just saying it would be nice if it is done in a healthy respectful manner (catcalling does not count for example or touching people sexually without permission etc). PS2: I know for females it would be a bit annoying to get approached a lot but the other alternatives are not much better (angry incels, shooters, mysogonistic guys etc).

@Preety_India That is a good argument. Honestly i do not know the actual ratios since a lot of the members of this forumn have asexual names and profile pictures (me being an example).

@Preety_India And complaining man are seen as weak and pathetic starting from our beloved admin of this forumn to most of it's members. Being looked badly at for dating complaining is honestly judged when both sexes do it.

@Preety_India Looking at feminists at the west i do not think this is the case at all. Most people here are from western countries. I am sure in some eastern countries women get shamed a lot especially if they are religious countries. Also this is annonymous this forum anyway.

The fact that 90 percent of dating related complain threads are made by guys in this forum shows a lot. Why you think that is everyone? Why the females are not complaining as much as males are (they are but a lot less). If dating is struggle for both genders then shouldnt the complain rate be 50-50 instead of 90-10? I would be curious to know.

@somegirl As long as guys are not getting laid or having relationships they will complain. Sorry but it is just the way they are... To them this shit is like food, not getting it feels like starving. Trust me, those that do not complain on forums complain to their friends in real life when they drink something together.

@Parththakkar12 Because it is not socially correct to say i am attracted to narcissistic sociopaths. If someone told that you to you, you would feel like there is something wrong with her. Therefore, dating fantasies are created. A colossal cope. It is true that guys are honest about being attracted to physical features however those things are not negative traits but just neutral. Being narcissistic, very independent to the point of giving 0 shits about others , assertive, dominant etc can be great for the individual that has these attributes in aiding his survival but it harms society as a whole. Most issues in the world have been caused through history by these very traits. Meanwhile a big set of tits harms no one.

@Leo Gura Females loose a lot more by sex than guys due to pregnancy. Therefore, they are more selective and pickier by default. A guy looses nothing by sex, a girl can get herself and her baby killed if she fucks an unworthy man. Therefore, women are hypergamous and only select high value guys to mate. It is needed for her survival and makes total sense.

@something_else Could be so. Either way if asked the unevenes of the attraction triggers for both genders in terms of how "shallow" they are is not equal. Looks are considered shallow, confidence and charisma is not considered shallow. Both are purely survival based, shallow and not related to truth. The whole notion that guys are shallow because they care about looks while girls care about personality. Of course they will not kill you but it is less socially acceptable and taboo to say. Idk, i did not make this thread. I tried to bring it into the direction the opener intented since i read 20 comments talking about slut shaming which honestly, in a forum like this is kind of ridicioulous to discuss.

You guys are loosing track of the problem with these ridicioulous slut shaming stuff. OF COURSE, there is nothing wrong if girls sleep around as long as they are not cheating. I thought this group was more evolved than to slut shame. The issue the thread opener meant was that if a guy is vocal about his attraction triggers on females, females will get angry and make him feel bad. If guy says i want a healthy weight pretty girl, he is considered a shallow pig. Meanwhile, when girls say they want a confident charming successful man, that is considered normal and cool. Both attraction triggers are equally selfish and survival based, however males are made to feel bad about theirs while women are not. This is the issue.

@Lucas-fgm This is stage green issue. It destroys gender to the point where everyone is the same. I do not like toxic masculinity and abusive assholes but a guy should not be a little wimp bitch. No wonders incels are growing fast in developed countries, guys personalities are being completly destroyed in terms of polarization. When you have guys without masculine personalities then of course looks and money will be everything, that is all females have to judge them on. Side effect of stage green are incels and an increase of confused guys that have no polarity in them. Guys in Belgium where i am staying rn (im not belgian) are quite similar to what you wrote. On an individual level it is better because for example if i learn some game i can stand out from 90 percent of the lame guys here. My competition is being destroyed for free, so on a selfish level i should like this. However, on a collective level is not healthy for society and leads to social issues. I am curious, how do guys in Sweden for example find partners? If they are passive, do not approach, are not very social and shy then how they even manage to find someone?

@Lucas-fgm How exactly are they lame i am curious?

@bejapuskas I do not think that is a feasable strategy. I will implement orange dating and cast a huge net. Thank you for the support

@Peter Miklis I remember reading the comment section on his older dating videos. "I believed i would never date an attractive girl because of my looks due to the studies i read and used to limit myself because of them". Something along these lines. Quite blackpilled to me

@Preety_India You are right, however again it is about the demographic. Overwhelming majority of girls fall for that orange behaviour shit. You cannot use members of this forumn as examples, they are too few. Personally i used to be that guy females here describe and it did not work for me. Most girls reward fun and cocky, not self actualized. Your way of thinking is more evolved but too advanced for most guys to have success if they implement your ways. It is currently too advanced and not practical. Imagine teaching in the middle east people about cultural relativism, that place is not evolved enough for it.

@Preety_India 1. Leo learned about how to get girls using PUA stuff, which are stage orange. 2. Most females in developed countries, especially pre 30 are stage orange, therefore orange strategies work best to get them. You cater your strategies to the level of development of the individual you are dealing with. Stage green strategies will get you rejected with orange women. 3. Most females are still slaves to their primitive attraction triggers, very few can transcend them. Most girls especially pre 30 will just follow their emotions like monkeys without stopping and thinking "will this guy treat me well? will the relationship with him make me happy?". It is the equivalent of you eating junk food because it tastes good without ever stopping and thinking if it is actually good for you. When you are looking to get a girl, you cater to the majority of the population, not to 5 percent of super developed conscious people. Especially girls that conscious pre 30 are rarer than a 10/10 hot girl, they lack the life experience to develop such awareness. 4. Biological attraction itself is very animalistic which tends to be on the lower stages of the spiral. Therefore to properly use it to get a girl, such strategies are useful. This is not about conscious dating, it is about getting a girlfriend. Just like low conscious business leads to more profit, low conscious dating strategies lead to more girls wanting to be with you.

@Leo Gura Considering you have said to be slightly blackpilled for years before PUA then you re saying you were dumb too? A person relatively more actualized than most people was dumb? I do not think the blackpill these days is just bait for legit dumb people, it is usually the more intelligent people that get into it because of their analytical minds and blackpill feeding them data and "science". Blackpill is an issue of lack of wisdom, not lack of intelligence. @Striving for more What cracks me up about these posts is that its usually average looking or decent looking guys complaining. If you were legit a 2/10 then i would feel some empathy but a 6.5/10????? Really man? You know most blackpill channels legit say if you are a 5/10 or more you can get girls if you try a lot. So your source of information is telling you that you are wrong. I think you are using the blackpill as a cope and i have done too. Most people have to some extent even without being aware what the blackpill is. It is normal to feel like that sometimes. However, know that your issue is not looks in this case but basically other things. What they are, i do not know. You must find out yourself and try to fix it. You do not need to be a Chad to get girls, you just not need to be legit ugly. Big difference.

@Leo Gura I am 22 year old and i come from a blue country so yeah, i am not fully Green yet. However, i have friends from all sorts of religions, sexualities, races, countries etc and i am cool with all of them. I do not dislike any of them inherently nor think my culture is superior. In these ways i am green. However, i am struggling a bit with handling the oversensitive element of stage green, i find it a bit too much. I personally never use racist or offensive language on others but that is because i do not consider race or religion etc to be something that you should feel bad about. My biggest issue with cancel culture and oversensitivness is how downright difficult it makes it for others to go to green. I have talked with dozens of blue/orange folks (they do not know spiral dynamics) and whenever the conversation goes towards stage green people and society, they always complain about how oversensitive it is. I think if we want society to move towards green, this should be handled a little better. Imagine talking to a blue folk about orange, and he starts to complain how greedy capitalists are because that is all he can think about stage orange. My understanding of spiral dynamics is not the best (did not read its books yet) so if i made mistakes explaining do not crucify me please

@Leo Gura Have you got nothing better to do than complain about other social issues? Personally i like stage green a lot but cancel culture is god damn retarted and arguably the biggest thing keeping people from reaching stage green. Solving cancel culture problem could help more people get into green i think. No reason for people to be so over sensitive these days about everything. There are bigger issues than people getting "crucified" by society for saying something slightly offensive. Our ancestors slit others throats, we cry when someone uses the N-word unjustly. Forcing people not to use specific words due to social outcasting is not really a healthy way to grow them. That is basically a censorship based on social pressure. Punishment based morality. If someone does not use the N-word because of fear of getting "crucified" by society then that does not really help him grow. Not much different from how religion tries to make people act "good" out of fear of hell. How about educating people why racism is bad better rather than hating on them for using some word that in the end of the day does not hurt anyone.

@something_else Because the world today is all about kindness, fairness, humbleness etc. Just look at media and the way people are taught, they are taught to be nice kind sweet etc. Why you think nice guys are such a problem these days (how this thread was made), it is because the social narrative pushes guys to be nice. For a guy to be attractive he needs to go against the social narrative which makes guys pussies. For females, the social narrative aids what they need to develop which is kindness, sweetnes niceness etc. 2000 years ago life was harsh and what was expected out of men was ruthlessness and determination and strenght. These days out of them is these SJW narratives that make men pussies. Being fat is an issue for both guys and girls. You think most guys will not have a much harder dating life with being very overweight? The existance of the blackpill shows that guys are insecure also. Fair points. Also a poor indian should not feel frustrated that his country is poor, he should just try to escape poverty. However we feel inclined in this forumn to talk about how to reduce poverty and wealth inequality. It does not help, it is just a way to blow off steam. You wrongly assume that if someone complains here then he is not doing anything to change his situation. You can do both since writting here takes max 10 minutes a day. Plenty of time to do other more healthy things.

@something_else They honestly are and i am not proud of some of the things i write when i re read them months after. Neccesary evil i guess. Nobody i know knows about them and they are a little secret of mine. I feel like if i did not express myself here i would go and rant in real life about it which would hurt me quite a lot. At least here it is a more healthy medium to channel it and get slapped in the face for it. I like when people slap me in the face and give good arguments about why im wrong, i want to be proven wrong with good arguments. However the proof i see in everyday life needs some serious arguments here to be debunked. I am not talking about incels and being ugly and blackpill and bullshit like that. I do not believe in that shit, anybody can get laid if they really want. However the work you need to get laid is ridiciously high compared to getting a relationship for a female (getting laid equivalent of females is relationships). I have attractive female friends and for them to find a great guy is a legit joke (as expected since they are attractive). However, okay/normal looking female friends i have (my equivalent in the dating market) have still options with pretty decent guys which they often reject/ignore for the most bullshit reasons. If i had access to similar girls (decent but not great ones) i would be super happy and appreciate it.

@something_else Google Nicky Minaj before and after and see how much you can actually do about it. And i am talking just about the face with that example. If a girl goes to the gym and has a hot fit body, it will put her above a lot of girls in most countries. Feminine behaviour is also very attractive for guys which is a lot easier to develop than to become a ruthless asshole like girls get wet for. Some of the girls that got chased the most that i have known were okay looking with feminine personalities. Just because some guys judge girls purely on looks does not mean all guys do, plenty see other more changable things too (like behaviour). Although with technology a girl does not even need these things. She can just use her phone to get dates with guys much higher value than her quite easily. If online dating and social media did not exist then your arguments would be more realistic, however they do not reflect reality much. 95 percent of guys are not player pua super rich chad people like dan bilzerian than have 40 hotties after them. They are normal or decent guys, thats it. Even if i personally become a top 10 percent man, it will not change this reality and people will still complain.

@Tangerinedream Thing is most of these guys throwing themselves at girls are pretty decent guys. I would agree if they were fat slobs that just jerk off all day and cannot hold a conversation, however usually they are relatively successful in what they do, high integrity, smart, cool confident people. So a better example would be if 100 decent looking (but not hot girls) throw themselves at you. Not bad at all.

@something_else This is not about attracting girls, Leo said "you do not know what girls struggles are" as if i am ignoring them, i just do not know what they are. People also use instagram which gives 0 value, people do stuff that gives no value in their lives all the time. Understanding the struggles of others can be useful to know to become more holistic, this is not a matter of getting better with girls, it is a matter of feeling less like you were dealt the harder hand.

Does Jeff Bezos really deserve having 200 billion dollars in his name? Did he work as much as millions of his employees combined? No body is saying he should not be rewarded more than someone stacking boxes in Amazon warehouses, however the amount of money he makes is ridicioulous. No reason for Jeff Bezos not to have 20 million in name and the other 199 billion distributed more fairly to the millions of underpaid workers that do 99.99999 percent of the actual work.