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The phenomenon does exist. It is not bullshit. Asian countries have a lot of influence from the US and therefore they are seen as higher status and overall "superior". This cultural conditioning does affect the fact that whites are considered as more attractive and higher status than asian guys. Basically they are seen as better fitting a woman survival agenda on a biological level. Most of it is cultural with a bit of biological elements on it (whites tend to be taller, larger penis size and more masculine faces). Most of it is cultural though. HOWEVER, it does not mean you are fucked as an asian. I know many asian guys with white girlfriends so it is not an excuse. Same for being short, same for being indian, same for being bald, same for being whatever. The downsides are real but they are overblown out of proportion imo. Just talk to girls as Leo says, it should solve the problem.

You will almost never have a girl be in a situation where she feels like nobody wants her. If she takes basic basiccc care of herself then she will always have some options. Whether she considered those options its on her. The boy that cries to her mom is not getting liked by ANYONE, not just by who he likes. Big nuance here. Another example: I can get some bread but i want a cake versus i cannot get ANY food.

@Gabith 5/10 for me. Of course it is relative. @Thought Art I never said looks do not matter. I said it is threashhold thing.

@LastThursday You take for granted how hard it is for some people to "openly flirt and advertise yourself". For some it is super difficult and needs 15 different limiting beliefs getting tackled. Imagine you think you re a shity boring weak ugly guy, you will not have the guts to even flirt with her. Imagine being super shy, you will not have the guts to even look her in the eye yet alone create sexual tension. Pick up is a last resort for such people.

@Tangerinedream Female friends are very healthy to have and i personally have a lot of them however they will not help you get laid most of the time. Translations from friends to girlfriends are quite rare and messy processes that cause a lot of pain. Not a good idea. Trust me, i have tried it and also many of my friends have tried it. The success rate is crazy low and almost always involves a shit lot of pain. You might say the success rate of pick up is very low and it can be difficult too. True, however you gain a skill set that is priceless. Also i notice that female friends tend to make guys quite weak and soft. Not good for attraction to be weak and soft. It should be balanced between guy and female friends. Too much guy friends is also bad imo because then you will objectify women or treat them as species from another planet. I think best strategy to date is to talk to girls for a bit of time and then try to date them. Does not have to be pick up but pick up is most conveninent for people post college. Pick up= talking to a girl you do not know, if you vibe well then go on a date with her, if date goes well then you have sex/start relationship. This is healthy pick up. No need to be evil.

All females that do not like pick up, ask yourselves this. How would you feel if you had a son and one day he comes home very upset. You try to get him to talk but he just says everything is okay. Eventually, he tells you crying that every time he likes someone they do not like him back and even though he is a kind respectful person no girl seems to be interested in him. I feel unlovable, like something is wrong with me he says. How would you feel if your son told you that? Pick up may have a lot of devilrly in it for sure, but it is the only realistic solution to fix this problem. The issue is not pick up per say, it is conscious versus devilry pick up. Big nuanced difference.

@Leo Gura The biggest issue with the blackpill is not that you will not talk to girls. It is that you will talk to girls but you will not flirt or do anything sexual with them. I suffered from this a long time, i felt unable to flirt because "flirting=i want to date you= i am making it clear that i am interested in you, therefore how can a girl date such an average looking guy". That is how i used to think when i was blackpilled. My inner game was shit which made it impossible to even BOTHER flirting or doing anything non platonic. You are making it as the biggest issue of the whole inceldom is the lack of talking to girls, i respectfully dissagree. To me it is the horrible inner game you will have which results in you not making any moves. Why do you think this whole friendzone epidemic is even a thing these days. The amount of videos on youtube about the friendzone is quite sadly high. All happens because guys do not flirt nor show intent, why? Because they think they are not enough. The blackpill is amaizing at creating such believes in guys. Approaching 5000 girls is not as hard as it is to flirt with 100 girls. You can approach girls and not flirt with them and just make it platonic, if you are social person that will probably be the case unless you push yourself. The emotional difficulty of pushing yourself is regarding flirting, not talking to girls. Talking to girls is really easy as long as it is not done in a super weird manner like stopping them on the street (daygameish).

@Lucas-fgm Nuance pleaseeeeeeeeeeee. I did not say i do not care at all, i said it is a THREASHHOLD THING!! Meaning after a certain level they are not that important anymore. For me over a 5/10 it does not matter much anymore. You can be attracted to an okay looking girl, also females are not just attractive because of how they look. Vibe, personality etc can make you attracted to them. Yes, sure if you talk to them in a bar then that will not happen but if you talk to a girl from time to time, her personality will draw you in. Happened to me more than once. If i feel insecure about my appearance i will not be able to flirt or pull or do anything non platonic. I tried it and couldnt. Now with this new mindset i automatically became more flirty.

Btw opener, i also have an interesting partial solution to the blackpill problem. I kind of found it myself based on basic self development work. Read this

@Leo Gura May i ask why you always stress out the 5000 number, does it have any specific meaning? Just curious

@Leo Gura Yes of course. I was just curious of some people to use as references more than anything else. Copy pasting others ideas as your own is no fun anyway hahahah. I will check the Conversation with God books out thank you.

@Gabith Great work man! @Emerald Also to remove the desire for looks so much makes you able to form better connections with people. Imagine you find a great average looking girl who you could have an amaizing relationship with but you choose not to date her because she is just not "hot enough" for you. Compatibility is more important than pure physical attraction if you want to date someone long term. Also, a vagina is a vagina regardless, it is the personality of the person that makes a specific vagina better (pardon my language). I hope this is not a colossal cope for me ahahahhaahha

@Leo Gura Which teacher would you think has a deep nuanced view on politics except yourself. I want someone that has little attachment to any politican belief or nationality. Sadhguru seems quite biased on Indian culture and how the UK screwed them over for example. He is wise in general and i love his work but for politics i would rather listen to you for example. What teachers you respect even if they dissagree with your views on politican stuff. I would love to check their work out to complement the political videos i saw from you

I never said looks do not matter at all. I said there is more to it and it is a threshhold thing. Fair point however i cannot attract hot girls if i am insecure about my looks. It is a catch 22. I need full confidence and 0 insecurity about my looks if i want to attract them. Maybe in the future if i manage to attract hot girls i will drop the belief i have right not but currently i think it is useful for my journey. Plus i am a decent looking guy anyway. I am not ugly, i am quite fit (muscular and wide shoulders although bit short 5 8 or 172cm), dark skinned (for some it is a plus for some a minus) and around a 6/10 face. I have had girls find me attractive (although not a lot maybe like 1 out of every 10 or so) and therefore even i attract some girls i will just think it is because they found me cute and the belief about my looks importance will not change. Every time a girl was interested in me (some of those girls were legit attractive) i just thought i was because of my looks and maybe cuz i am relatively smart and friendly. So i think for now i will just use this belief and maybe will drop it in the future. However since i do self actualization work i do not want my worth as a human being to be reduced to my appearance. Therefore i tend to not to do it for girls either, i find it quite cruel. If a girl is attractive enough for me and takes care of herself that is all i need looks wise. For sure.

@Emerald Yes very fair points. There is beauty in not just looks. Idk how someone can be super secure with their appearance while judging girls looks and placing their worth based on their looks. The cognitive dissonance would be unreal

@Bando I agree with your reply. The way i escaped the blackpill was just to be honest with myself. I am a decent looking guy and had girls find me somewhat attractive. They are not majority but still exist. Maybe 1/5 find me somewhat attractive (very decent) and 1/12 or so find me legit attractive. So i cannot use blackpill mindset and feel like i am fucked. Also i tend not to flirt i make the convo man to woman much, i just make jokes tease and act friendly and cute. Why blackpill seemed interesting to me was that i used it as cope not to flirt with the logic that if i was Chad i would not need to flirt to get girls. Girls would just throw themselves at me as long as i made jokes and acted normal. It was a massive scapegoat. However i have a luxury that many do not have. If i was legit ugly and had tried many times with no success i do not know if i would be able to escape the blackpill that easily. I spoke with incels in such situations and did not know how to help them. What can i even teach someone that tried 1000 approaches without success?

@somegirl Nice advice however it does not equate well. You get guys hitting on your regardless and judging from your picture you do not seem ugly at all (at least body wise). You look quite nice if i can say. An unattractive guy with an average personality is at the bottom of the sexual market. He needs good game and personality if he is unattractive. @Leo Gura What i found with most incels i talked with is that they try to hit on maybe 100 girls then they take rejection so badly it destroys them. The way they frame failure is very toxic. “I am scarred after 100 rejections an incel told me. Their attitude is quite toxic even if they try. Also there is one thing i just cannot understand. From one side you say girls want a strong MAN. Then on another side you say you should act more like a girl. It confuses me

@Bando A detailed video from Leo regarding Incels and the blackpill would be helpful. People here tend to ideolize him way too much so maybe his word would help them a lot. FYI- I used to be blackpilled for a few months last year and the blackpill in itself has some truth to it. YES, IT WILL BE EASIER IF YOU ARE GOOD LOOKING. Just like it will be easier to become rich if you are very smart or become enlightned if you have good spiritual genetics and shit. However the way the blackpill deals with it is so toxic, retarted and downright crazy it becomes apparent when you being deconstructing it. With blackpill logic, we should not work if our IQ is not 150, we should not meditate or do any spiritual work if we do not have Sadhguru hardware etc etc. Just dumb. What the blackpill boils down to is a rationalization of lazyness. You compare yourself to people that have shit easier than you and use it as an excuse not to improve your situation. Adopt a mindset where you do not compare yourself with other men. Yes 0.35 percent is low, and maybe Chad does have a higher success rate just because he is handsome. NOBODY CARES. 0.35 percent is still bigger than 0 percent.

@Lucas-fgm That gives me so much hope. I am southern European but i live in Belgium. I have not interacted much with local girls outside of pragmatic conversations since my circle is international since i study in an international university. Plus, locals are quite cold. I had a brazilian girl find me somewhat attractive though so i guess anything can happen. Hopefully if i start hitting on locals me being southern european will give me an edge on top of having some decent social skills. Belgian guys are very lame (like 80 percent of them). If you talk to them first, be expressive, make jokes, smile a lot, playfuly tease and touch and act self grouned you will easily be top 20 percent of guys. Maybe even 10 percent.

Only thing with Swedish guys is that they are unbeliaviable attractive making even a decent looking guy in other countries look like shit. However from what you described me about them they seem lame so it is balanced i guess.

@Javfly33 John Anthony claims to have 150 a year at an advanced level. Idk how accurate that value is though. However, there are pretty of guys that have 300+ laycounts so i think 30 a year is not that much at an advanced level. Maybe 50 a year would be more realistic especially if you use online dating properly. You can get a lay a month easily from online dating alone if you are good at using it.

@Javfly33 I think it takes online game, daygame and night game into account. Not using online while learning to get girls is a dumb mistake imo. USE ALL CHANNELS!! Maybe online dating will get you 1 lay a year, who the fuck cares. It takes a lot of work to make a good profile, true, in terms of getting high quality pictures etc. However once that is over it is kind of autopilot. Just swipe while taking a shit and set up logistics for dates. It does not need to be your only source or main source, just 1 out of many. Consider it as passive income.

I read somewhere from a top guy that top guys have around 10 percent close ratio for each number they get. So 10.000 phone numbers would result in 1000 girls.

@Preety_India "What is beauty" would be a good video idea for Leo now that i think about it.

@Leo Gura Antisocial? Sociopathic yes, selfish yes, but antisocial? I thought pickup was anything but antisocial. Very true, however in the past your wealth and income bracket was kind of fixed and these days it is very flexible and encouraged upon. Maybe in the next hundreds of years it will be regarding sexual stuff too. I am happy youtube and rsd is making pick up and stuff like this more popular despite the backlash.