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@Leo Gura Most people here that complain including most incels in forums NEVER say they want HOT girls, they just want A GIRL. This is just your projection into them, most of these guys would be happy with an okay looking girl. Hot girls of course nobody would turn down but that is not their primary goal. I never spoke with an incel that wanted hot girls, they said they just want an okay looking girl. Big difference here. Of course hot girls are super hard to get, that is common sense. But needing to work so much for an average girl is what annoys these guys. After all an incel is a guy that cannot get laid at all, not a guy that cannot get laid with hot girls. Please make the distinction. Most people do not want to go to clubs 3 times a week. They want 1 girl from their everyday life that they interact with to be into them. You make it as if you are not going into clubs then you will stay home 24/7. Not true at all. But 1 girl out of 200 is crazy ratio to be consistent. It means you are living to get girls and do nothing more. 1 girl out of 10 to be into you should be enough. By rich people mean legit multi millionares. Not some guy that is well off. Having 10 million dollars is much harder than doing 10.000 approaches. Yes of course you are. That is common sense. The thing is what is the percentage that you are fucked with.

@Preety_India Donald Trump is a billionare lol. Rich people dont count nor famous. I mean average guy with maybe some game. anyway you re right i ll just improve myself

@Preety_India you despise pua principles so me improving my game would get me closer to the kind of guy you so despise. i am already doing that anyway though dont worry Did you see hot girls with average guys in sweden netherlands france or any other western/northen european country you have been?

@Farnaby i just hate the idea of seeing a girl i find attractive and feel unable to try with her due to her being legit taller. I come from a culture where it is blasphemy for a girl to date someone shorter, 22 years of such social conditioning is hard to unwire. I ll try to hit on tall girls on purpose to maybe unwire the belief if i get any success

@Preety_India Idk where you come with these ridiculous ideas about what i want. Seems to me like you are projecting your frustrations on me. Dont forget i made a thread about not caring much about looks on a girl. Personally i want an ok looking girl (5.5-6/10 if i have to use the scale) that is kind and intellectual. I am these things myself so i do not think i am asking more than i offer. Will guys want to leech? Of course! Everyone tries to do it. And for your information i have seen hot guys with average lookin girls so often you cannot imagine. Yes those guys are a bit shy and meek but they look good and still get an average girl. As an average looking girl you can get attractive guys if you re ok with them being shy and little game.

@Preety_India Because you ladiest can reject us on so many things already we do not need height added on top of it. The amount of things a girl can reject a guy is truly scary, from confidence, to humor, to shyness, to lack of ambition, height, face, fatness, social statues, neediness etc etc. Meanwhile for a guy if girl looks nice and is not retarted he is happy. If ladies just judged guys on physical features then i would be okay with them judging guys on height so much, but when you have 10 different personality requirements already adding height on top is overkill.

@Preety_India 5 .45 and 5 6 is not big difference. It is like 3-4 cm, that is fine. Difficult but doable, however i never saw one where guy is for example 172 with a girl that is 178 or 180. If you have any example of a normal non special guy getting a girl taller than share with us, because i almost never see it when im walking on the street. I see max 1 inch difference where girl is taller, but that is it.

@Username If she is taller than you re kind of fucked with that girl. Exceptions are if you re very rich, famous, handsome or have insane game. Not applicable for 95 percent of guys.

Why are not there height acceptance movements like there are fat acceptance movements even though being fat is within your control and unhealthy. Why no short people role models, why no short models like we have fat models these days? Why being harsh about weight makes you a shallow pig while being harsh about height is normal and okay. Why do you have to exceel in everything to live a good life when you re short compared to a tall person who does not need to exceel as much (dating especially)? Why cant short people wake up 1 day and live a perfectly normal life where their height is not relevant anywhere except sports? Why this cruel treatement? Just like feminists make movements for equal treatement regarding genders, short people should get equal treatement regarding height!

An interesting video i watched, i really like this youtuber. What are your thoughts on it, i see no reason why this does not become more popular. Maybe 50/50 idk.

@ertopolice By ignoring i meant not approaching nor making active moves on her. I wish girls were attracted to intellect and intellectual people... Intellectual stimulating conversations just lead me to frinedzones, attraction i think needs emotional not intelectual stimulation to happen.

@Mason Riggle Good for you, for most of us that is not the case. If you ignore girls and do not chase them they will give 0 shits about you and never want to date you (they might enjoy your company non sexually though but 0 attraction) , that has been my experience. I think it has been others too. @ertopolice Would you approach decent looking guys over hot guys? Maybe those "not hot guys" had great personalities that made up for it so you got attracted to them. Hot guys tend to be very lame because they get attraction from looks and never bother to develop their personality much.

The only issue if the girls make the moves is that they will only approach the hot guys and if u re not hot you re fucked. Considering how horny guys are the girl can get away with approaching only hot guys and getting laid from it. When guy makes the moves it gives him the chance to get girls even if he is not handsome.

They are more and more these days thanks to feminism. Normally they do not have to do it because men are hornier so they will make the approach. Approching is scary and hard and can hurt your ego a LOT therefore it is not desirable especially when starting out. Why should a woman go through the troubles of approaching when she gets guys approaching her instead. Also in conservative cultures if a girl approaches she is seen as a horny shamless slut and ofc she does not want such reputation. In developed liberal countries the notion of "male approaches" is starting to blurr, it will take time though. In such countries the main reason is that women want to protect their ego and therefore rely on guys doing it.

@Preety_India I cater to the guy that struggles with girls and is desperate for anything. You cater to the player who has shit lot of options and has pride and an ego identity out of getting girls. We cater to the two extremes. This explains this whole discussion we re having.

Such men will treat you like shit, pump and dump you and even abuse you. Not healthy mature men these are. It is good that they reject you because they are saving you a lot of headache. A smart mature guy will not use this bullshit ego logic in his life. He will be pragmatic and smart. If he can skip all the headaches of approaching and shit then he will do it without his pride being touched. The whole notion of "conquering someone" is just dumb ego shit. You should want someone that is above such silly immature notions. Be glad such men are rejecting you.

@Preety_IndiaYou simply fail to understand how men think. All that "play hard to get" bs is what females do. That is what you are attracted to, something difficult to get that has high status and everyone wants. Guys are not attracted in that way, they are attracted at least initially in how the girl looks. If a hot girl comes to them they will be EAGER to sleep with her ASAP. End of discussion. Some guys are more feminine like me and want some emotional connection to sleep with someone but such people are not the norm. The norm is what i wrote on the second paragraph.

Exactly, i do not know where she comes up with such statements. Guys will LOVE anything that comes to them for free, because they HATE to approach and do all that game bs. Very few people actually enjoy it, mostly veterans that have made an identity out of it. For most guys it is a necessary evil rather than something they enjoy doing. Especially regarding approaching. Now, in some countries and cultures due to social conditioning the men might feel lame or "girly" if the girl makes the moves and hurt their insecure masculine ego. However, if females making moves would become more common then that cultural conditioning can change in time. Personally if a girl approached me i would be a bit weirded out not because "i like to approach" but because it is so uncommon that i would feel like there is a hidden agenda or something. If i was convinced that she was just interested and was bold to make the move i would ABSOLUTELY love it and probably give her a chance when normally i would not (if i had to approach her), so even average or slighlty below average girls would get a good chance to get something. How do you think ugly guys do it lol, approaching a lot will lead better results compared to being passive.

@Leo Gura You should develop it for your own life satisfaction more than anthying else. Being serious logical mode 24/7 is not healthy and this is coming from a very logical serious person.

@Leo Gura I know guys that are good with girls even though they are formal and reserved. Usually these people are very confident, grounded, assertive and give 0 shits. Ruthless warrior type of vibes, not playful rascals. I think there are different ways to getting laid and being playful and fun is just 1 of them instead of being THE ONE. However i find being playful more enjoyable than being a cold assertive dick regarding getting girls.

@Leo Gura Dont they already have equal rights on developed countries? Where i live nobody hates on them and they live normally without issues. Seems to me more of a eastern europe/middle east kind of issue than a western europe issue. I may be wrong about this, just what i see in my everyday life.

Guys you need to understand that this height thing is relative. He lives in country with tall people. Being 5 8 in such a country would be the equivalent of being like 5 2 in america. “I am 5 2 does not work as an argument because american girls are short in comparison. A better question to this thread would be: Can you get girls that are TALLER than you? This is the real question.

I used to be very insecure about my appearance for many many years. A way i found to help correct it outside of self-love, building your value as a man etc etc was to stop caring about appearance in general for other humans. Whatever you judge on others, is a reflection of judging yourself. I noticed this on other people too, the people that comment the most about others appearances are usually the most insecure about their own appearance. Therefore, if i would judge a girl's worth as a partner or human being based on any amount on her looks then i would also feel like i am judging my worth based on my looks. I cannot go and say "guys judge girls based on looks and that is okay because girls care about personality", that mindset does not work with me. I tried it. If i screen girls harshly based on looks i will feel like i am getting screened harshly based on looks and that will make me somewhat insecure. Now, nuance here please. Of course i have some basic level of looks i care about a female and i expect females to have some basic level of appearance for guys. I tend to be around a 5.5-6/10 generally, so i do not care that much about looks above that for a girl. Now i am not saying that i will not try to hit on girls that are very hot or anything like that. I will hit on everyone i want to, however it will not purely based on looks and the value of the girl in my eyes will not be influenced by looks much. How happy the person makes me and how compatible we are and how much we enjoy each other company is more important indicator. So basically, when i see a girli i see her appearance of course but do not put that much value in it. Personality over looks i guess. Looks matter more as a threshold thing. Energy vibe compatibility values etc are more important. I am talking about relationships and stuff here. One night stands clearly differ. What do you guys think? Is this a massive cope or does it have some usefulness to it as a mindset. It's purpose is basically to make me give 0 shits about my appearance after i take care of myslef because of it is not important much anyway. For this attitude to be embodied i should practice it myself on others otherwise it will be too much cognitive dissonance.

@Preety_India I am saying that you will get intimacy after you sleep with a guy. It is not something to worry about.