Karmadhi

Plenty of incels either are social or have tried being social and been treated like shit regarding girls. One example out of many. This incel thing is not as black and white as Leo and some other people here make it seem. "Just go out bro" will not be enough often. You need to change their inner game about them being disgusting, only way for that to properly work is for society as a whole to stop caring so much about looks. Difficult in a materialistic stage orange society. Characters in media like the dwarf from game of thrones or levi from attack on titan being total bosses even though they are not the typical "good looking tall guy" is a good example that should be set more often. On an individual level it is easy to fix your inner game, plenty of positive videos affirmations etc. So if anyone here feels like an incel then it is not that hard for them to escape it. However on a group level you need more work, self help will not cut it. Your whole cultural medium and norms need to change. By group level i mean eliminating it as a problem for society instead of fixing it for 1 specific person that may struggle with it. They are 2 totally different problems that need different solutions with individual level fix being 10 million times easier than a society level fix.

Still wondering why this shit has exploded in popularity in the last 5 years or so. 5 years ago nobody knew or talked about this shit much. These days it has creeped everywhere including this forumn. Would not expect 1/3 of the pictures sent on this actualized forum to be blackpill statistics. Given your trend of making practical videos these days i would love to see your take on this matter. @Yali At least use anectodal advice to justify your limiting beliefes, using "stats" just makes you look stupid. It screams of stage orange obsession with quantification of reality. You can have limiting beliefes about your looks without subcuming to ornage traps.

I think most of these data come from dating apps which is what people these days use as the stample of how to date (covid is huge factor in this persepction). I am sure in real life that data is irrelevant.

If you are very social naturally then you do not really need to do that kind of pick up. You will actively meet people through your lifestyle. However if you are more introvereted then it might be a good idea. Personally use it to learn and test out stuff because you will not embarras yourself as you would in a more friends social setting. Use it as the training mode on a fighting game and then the girls you will meet from your everyday life will be the actual "fight". Hard to be a strong warrior without training.

@Leo Gura Vous parlez français aussi?

@Leo Gura I have a good friend that has totally bought into that very same theory of "a few elites controlling the world for a century" stuff. I have tried talking him out of it but cannot. The thing is he at the same time has quite advanced notions. He fully graps cultural relativism, relativism in general and a lot of "pluralists" ideas. It is just this thing which corrodes his otherwise advanced worldview. I remember when he used to tell me how morality is a man made concept that is very linked with the ego. Back then (before discovering your work and doing the contemplations) i told him that could not be true. What advice should i give him?

I am sorry to hear about your situation. I will try to give you some ideas, although i do not know your situation well 1. Try to communicate with your family, this is the most obvious one. I do not know if this will work though. 2. Maybe consider immigrating in another country. A LOT of indians are moving to western europe and especially germany. Consider it. What is your profession? 3. Consider moving out and limit your contact with them. If you can afford the rent. 4. This is most of a last resort but if you really really need to get married then at least marry someone on your own terms. Someone you actually like yourself. Would not reccomend if you are not feeling ready to get married but better get married with someone you like than someone you despise. Again, only use it as ABSOLUTE last resort.

@Olivia24 What term would you like me use? I said i find average girl to be rude term so i avoid using it. Talk it with preety india not me.

This guys seems to give great results to his clients. Maybe check him out. People tend to complain about him being low consciouss but his products leave a lot of happy clients so idk.

@Preety_India I find "average" girl more demeaning. That is why i said okay looking, to be nice.

@Farnaby Those successful PUAs see ALL girls as a piece of meat that they can conquer and fuck. Feeling entitled to a girl is better than putting her on a pedestal the way good guys do.

@Leo Gura Most people here that complain including most incels in forums NEVER say they want HOT girls, they just want A GIRL. This is just your projection into them, most of these guys would be happy with an okay looking girl. Hot girls of course nobody would turn down but that is not their primary goal. I never spoke with an incel that wanted hot girls, they said they just want an okay looking girl. Big difference here. Of course hot girls are super hard to get, that is common sense. But needing to work so much for an average girl is what annoys these guys. After all an incel is a guy that cannot get laid at all, not a guy that cannot get laid with hot girls. Please make the distinction. Most people do not want to go to clubs 3 times a week. They want 1 girl from their everyday life that they interact with to be into them. You make it as if you are not going into clubs then you will stay home 24/7. Not true at all. But 1 girl out of 200 is crazy ratio to be consistent. It means you are living to get girls and do nothing more. 1 girl out of 10 to be into you should be enough. By rich people mean legit multi millionares. Not some guy that is well off. Having 10 million dollars is much harder than doing 10.000 approaches. Yes of course you are. That is common sense. The thing is what is the percentage that you are fucked with.

@Preety_India Donald Trump is a billionare lol. Rich people dont count nor famous. I mean average guy with maybe some game. anyway you re right i ll just improve myself

@Preety_India you despise pua principles so me improving my game would get me closer to the kind of guy you so despise. i am already doing that anyway though dont worry Did you see hot girls with average guys in sweden netherlands france or any other western/northen european country you have been?

@Farnaby i just hate the idea of seeing a girl i find attractive and feel unable to try with her due to her being legit taller. I come from a culture where it is blasphemy for a girl to date someone shorter, 22 years of such social conditioning is hard to unwire. I ll try to hit on tall girls on purpose to maybe unwire the belief if i get any success

@Preety_India Idk where you come with these ridiculous ideas about what i want. Seems to me like you are projecting your frustrations on me. Dont forget i made a thread about not caring much about looks on a girl. Personally i want an ok looking girl (5.5-6/10 if i have to use the scale) that is kind and intellectual. I am these things myself so i do not think i am asking more than i offer. Will guys want to leech? Of course! Everyone tries to do it. And for your information i have seen hot guys with average lookin girls so often you cannot imagine. Yes those guys are a bit shy and meek but they look good and still get an average girl. As an average looking girl you can get attractive guys if you re ok with them being shy and little game.

@Preety_India Because you ladiest can reject us on so many things already we do not need height added on top of it. The amount of things a girl can reject a guy is truly scary, from confidence, to humor, to shyness, to lack of ambition, height, face, fatness, social statues, neediness etc etc. Meanwhile for a guy if girl looks nice and is not retarted he is happy. If ladies just judged guys on physical features then i would be okay with them judging guys on height so much, but when you have 10 different personality requirements already adding height on top is overkill.

@Preety_India 5 .45 and 5 6 is not big difference. It is like 3-4 cm, that is fine. Difficult but doable, however i never saw one where guy is for example 172 with a girl that is 178 or 180. If you have any example of a normal non special guy getting a girl taller than share with us, because i almost never see it when im walking on the street. I see max 1 inch difference where girl is taller, but that is it.

@Username If she is taller than you re kind of fucked with that girl. Exceptions are if you re very rich, famous, handsome or have insane game. Not applicable for 95 percent of guys.

Why are not there height acceptance movements like there are fat acceptance movements even though being fat is within your control and unhealthy. Why no short people role models, why no short models like we have fat models these days? Why being harsh about weight makes you a shallow pig while being harsh about height is normal and okay. Why do you have to exceel in everything to live a good life when you re short compared to a tall person who does not need to exceel as much (dating especially)? Why cant short people wake up 1 day and live a perfectly normal life where their height is not relevant anywhere except sports? Why this cruel treatement? Just like feminists make movements for equal treatement regarding genders, short people should get equal treatement regarding height!

An interesting video i watched, i really like this youtuber. What are your thoughts on it, i see no reason why this does not become more popular. Maybe 50/50 idk.

@ertopolice By ignoring i meant not approaching nor making active moves on her. I wish girls were attracted to intellect and intellectual people... Intellectual stimulating conversations just lead me to frinedzones, attraction i think needs emotional not intelectual stimulation to happen.

@Mason Riggle Good for you, for most of us that is not the case. If you ignore girls and do not chase them they will give 0 shits about you and never want to date you (they might enjoy your company non sexually though but 0 attraction) , that has been my experience. I think it has been others too. @ertopolice Would you approach decent looking guys over hot guys? Maybe those "not hot guys" had great personalities that made up for it so you got attracted to them. Hot guys tend to be very lame because they get attraction from looks and never bother to develop their personality much.

The only issue if the girls make the moves is that they will only approach the hot guys and if u re not hot you re fucked. Considering how horny guys are the girl can get away with approaching only hot guys and getting laid from it. When guy makes the moves it gives him the chance to get girls even if he is not handsome.

They are more and more these days thanks to feminism. Normally they do not have to do it because men are hornier so they will make the approach. Approching is scary and hard and can hurt your ego a LOT therefore it is not desirable especially when starting out. Why should a woman go through the troubles of approaching when she gets guys approaching her instead. Also in conservative cultures if a girl approaches she is seen as a horny shamless slut and ofc she does not want such reputation. In developed liberal countries the notion of "male approaches" is starting to blurr, it will take time though. In such countries the main reason is that women want to protect their ego and therefore rely on guys doing it.