Karmadhi

@Leo Gura What methods do you use these days to increase your consciousness and understanding? You said you do not really use psychadelics much anymore, now you just contemplate and meditate? So how do you manage to still increase your consciousness and understanding at this point.

Going out and talking to girls is a must but if you do not know what you re doing, nothing will happen. There is a reason people study this shit, because it creates results. I noticed in myself as soon as i started to make the conversations with people i met more playful and humour focused rather than serious deep focused in general their reactions were better. What comes naturally to me is to be serious, make intellectual conversations and deep stuff, most people do not respond well to that. They respond with a friendzone at the best. Being fun and playful is quite important and a lot of guys need to develop that part of their personality which could be repressed for a lot of different reasons. I had to develop that part of myself and the results were quite shocking. People tend to just like mindless dumb bullshit stuff, especially girls. Just be fun and playful and they will love you. Flirting is also a must and i still suck at it, something which also does not come naturally to some guys at all. You make it as most guys are charming charismatic people when they are not. Talking to girls if you suck at it in itself will not be enough, you have to grow and develop yourself too. Which is done by practice ofc.

I was once depressed for a few weeks because of some personal issues. I was not diagnozed but i am quite sure that i would have been so. It is the most disgusting feeling i can image. The main idea is as Leo said, loss of hope. You feel hopeless, like things are fixed and cannot be changed (whatever it is that you are depressed about). The crazy part is that you actually believe it fully. The mind is quite a tricky thing.

This post is totally ridicioulous. ALL physical shaming language is bad and hurts other's self esteem. Why should being fat get such special treatment considering it is totally within someone's control. What about nose size shaming? What about dick size shaming? What about bald shaming? What about height shaming? What about eye/hair colour shaming? What about skin colour shaming? What about ear size or lip size shaming? What about eye size or shape shaming? All things that you cannot change yet fatness get special treatment? A person will feel a lot worse about himself when you shame them about something they cannot change compared to something you can change. All this fat acceptance stuff to me seems like rationalization of lazyness while millions are depressed about things that they cannot change, where is the empathy for them? If you wanna be so nice then be my guest, but all shaming should be removed not just fat shaming. Fat shaming imo should be the last to be removed since it is the one that is totally within your control. In case all shaming is removed then great job, you are an amaizing human being however 99 percent of them shame on all the things i wrote above but for some reason fat shaming is soo cruel and mean, bias 101.

Also people that watch Leo's content tend to be intellectual and logical people due to his teaching style and things that he tends to discuss It suits such people more and such people tend to struggle more with girls because such people tend to be naturally introverted and intellectual. An introvert is more likely to question reality and care about epistmeic issues due to them being in their heads a lot more. I do not expect your party jock to watch Leo's videos. It will be the intellectual nerd that will. So his teaching style draws in a certain demographic which tends to be naturally worse with girls. It also explains why most of his followers are male due to his teaching style.

@Terell Kirby What is wrong with improving your skills on getting girls? Being an angry incel is not better.

@Terell Kirby I see no issues with the theory of pick up, i just find the community very immature. It is not that you would not manipulate people if you did not know the concepts of pick up. People manipulate a lot either way.

@Leo Gura If you could start over would you have approached pickup and attraction in a different less biased, less pragmatic way? Or are such views neccesary to get success? Was your approach already mature and unbiased relative to most guys that do pickup?

Another thing which i would like improved here is whenever you think someone is wrong then explain to them why they are wrong. You are wrong/biased etc is not enough, an explanation of why they are so would be more useful. Do you really expect a super stubborn person to understand it all by himself without any guidance? I noticed it in the girls want traditional man thread that was locked, not a good job was done to explain the OP why he was biased and wrong.

Also depends the context and the way you say it. I feel like Leo says it more in a neutral way like explaining how gravity works while you say it in a biased emotional angry resentful way, like being angry at gravity for working as it does. This is the issue with red pill, it has quite some truth to it but it uses it to build a very toxic ideology. I fell into it a year ago for a bit and looking back, well, pride does not follow the statement. There is definetly a lot of hypocrisy from females regarding dating and stuff but as i said in my previous comment, guys are not better. Both genders are hypocritical fucks. Red pill makes it seem as if only girls are so. "Girls love opportunistically and guys love idealistically". BULLSHIT! All love has some opportunistic elements to it. They make men like enlightned yogis when they re just as selfish as females are.

@Leo Gura My issue is not approaching at all. I have met a lot of girls and stuff, the issue lies with what happens after the approach, not with the approach itself. The advice you have given me regarding flirting escalation etc is the problem and i am actively trying to correct it, approaching is the easy part for me . When i say by existing i mean when i act "normal" or "typical" instead of trying to use game on them.

@Leo Gura Thank you very much. Unlike a lot of my guy friends i rarely get choosing signals from girls (indicators of interests etc) just by existing so i am trying to learn how to attract them using my personality instead of my appearance. Your input is helpful, thank you.

@Leo Gura The only issue i have with the typical attraction theory and hook points etc is that it is basically made for pick up in a club, bar, park etc. What about social circle, or meeting girls through work, university, common organisations etc. I met a lot of girls in this way as i am a student but does this still work? This hook point 30 minute stuff? What if you do not have the time to talk to them straight for 30 minutes but just a couple?

@Roy Or maybe because people these days are way too paranoid and scared.

@Preety_India Forcing myself to get kicked out of a club seems like a great idea!

@Preety_India How so? Btw why the fuck would someone get kicked out of a club for talking to people as long as it is done in a respectful way. It defies all logic.

@Leo Gura What is a chod? Beta? Loser? Weak?

When you realize it is one of the richest state of one of the richest countries in the world.

@Vladimir You can also admire hitler for his public speaking skills. I do not think Leo admires PUA attitude and goals but their skill set. How you use the skill set is up to you.

@Gesundheit2 What he is saying is technically correct. However he is ignoring the fact that guys are just as bad. Imagine Stalin calling Hitler a mass murderer, well that is true but also stalin is a mass murderer

@Javfly33 Not much. I have done it in house parties because i am in university but not in an actual nightclub. I also did some in class where i would start talking to girls in my class. My aim was to be comfortable with introducting myself to strangers and get good at small talk, not pick up girls. So i was focusing on getting better at those things, not necessarily flirting or escalation. I would also talk to guys even though i am straight because again my point was to improve my social skills in general. It did work and i got quite decent at it but i still suck with girls because flirting and escalation are still concepts i have little experience at. I am good at teasing though Being good at small talk and conversations and introduction yourself etc help with girls but not as much as flirting or escalation skills. It is good that you do not drink when trying to be social. I think it is good to maybe use alcohol as a tool to learn more about yourself and game a bit drunk but do not use it as a crutch. Game a few times drunk, learn the lessions and then never drink anymore when you try to be social. There is nothing more lame than those guys that are very cold and antisocial and quiet when sober and when they get drunk they become super loud, fun and friendly. Locals in the country where i live are like that. DO NOT RELY ON ALCOHOL TO BE SOCIAL PLZ The bigger the difference between your sober and drunk state, the more inner issues you have that need to be addressed.

Leo is right here, 5-6 approaches will not be enough at all. If you can do that many approaches as a total noob it means you have potential, you will grow fast. Especially when you are sober, being drunk tbh makes it quite easy. Imagine going to the gym for 1 week and complain your body did not change, it is basically similar logic. Imagine going to 2 language classes and complain you cannot really speak the language yet. Another example.

Drop your desire to try to undersand or even care about such stuff. I did for a long time and it just makes you angry and bitter. Females are humans and therefore are full of biases and try to abuse the system whenever they can to fit their own survival agenda. If she can get away with a guy paying fo her stuff (which is the traditional thing to do) WHILE getting total equal treatment in terms of not doing chores, cooking etc then ofc she will. We are all selfish in the end. Imagine if you could be able to get a sweet feminine girl (traditional girl) that is also very easy to fuck, pays for her shit and loves you for being nice and meek, you would take it for sure. Both genders are selfish, biased and only care about their own agenda , not truth or being fair. I would like these threads to be gone in the future here because caring about such stuff will not improve your life. I could also write a long thread explaining the hypocricy of guys that would be equally triggering for all females reading it. It is not hard to point out selfishness of both sexes. I will give you one simple example out of many: "Guys want girls to sleep with them on the first date or otherwise she is a "bitch", on the meanwhile they judge girls for sleeping around a lot". Quite paradoxical dont you think?

@Vzdoh Ok fair points. That is because it is a lot easier to have genuine confidence when a guy is good looking, does not mean it cannot happen though. Otherwise as i said you would never see an average guy with a hot girl, however you do from time to time. Plenty of players are average looking and still managed to get results. But yes it is rare and not suprised you did not see it. I personally have met guys that pull it off but you can tell when you meet them easily. I think vibe is just as important as looks and vibe is noticed asap, you do need to talk much to tell.

@Vzdoh So you care about vibe now, not just looks Maybe you arent but other girls are. How do you think guys below 5/10 get laid by hot girls? I am sure you see it from time to time.