Karmadhi

@Void and soul Failing many times will surely happen either way but i do not think it is a good idea to force yourself into something you are not. Everyone is different, you can be attractive in many ways. Just like there are different styles of humour there are also different styles of this stuff too right? Yes some things are universal like humor, confidence, detachment, being positive, secure etc but the variation and style of these things differ i think.

@flowboy I am not attached to it per say, i just dont want to force being different because it feels fake to me and i hate acting fake.

@Jacob Morres Well what do you suggest then? Be yourself-No results. Act in a more attractive way-Not authentic so no results. Be damned if you do, be damned if you dont.

People that have been treated badly in the past now have this victim toxic mindset and swing the scale too far on the other direction. Mob justice mindset. Also, people are very unwilling to grant them true equality adding fuel to the fire. So both parties are to blame in different ways.

@Leo Gura I hate faking shit though and being unauthentic. Is there a way to be yourself while getting results? I do not mind growing but being fake is so mehhhhh. When i try to flirt it is very chill and relaxed, i am a chill laid back person, not a loud super energetic person. I just smile a lot, make jokes, speak slowly and look in eye. Being overly expressive and laughing out loud and stuff all the time is not my thing. Chill stuff i prefer.

@Preety_India I do not. However when i explain a phenomena i will describe how most guys are. Of course what they do or think is not important to me. I do my thing, they do theirs. A better way of putting it would be "guys like you get friendzoned by girls and not thought of as a romantic options because they give a cute vibe instead of a masculine vibe". Trust me, guys like me approach and talk to girls. Talking to girls is not the issue, is getting them attracted to you. You cannot be with someone if they love you as a brother instead of as a potential partner. Hence the need for these guys to learn how to attract girls. Humor, playfulness and learning to flirt is a good start. You do not need to be a manipulative bastard, however you need to work on yourself. Girls will not want to be with you just because they think you are kind or smart or even decent looking. If you cannot flirt, make her laugh , lack boldness and assertivness you re kinda fucked. Hence guys need to practice this shit because it does not come naturally for some. Esepcially boldness. I am not. I just gave it as an example of guys that do not need to do shit. Same argument could be given for very rich or famous guys. Thank you, i appreciate it. I am not insecure anymore,dw.

@Preety_India Actually personally i care about intimacy and love a lot more than sex. Cuddling and shit to me is crutial and the emotional connection etc. Sex is also important ofc but it is not the end all be all. I was writting about how most guys see it, not how i personally see it. Love and connection are what i seek the most, not basic sex. But i do not expect most guys to think like me. However to get love and connection you need the girl attracted to you, a thing most guys (including myself) struggle with. Which is why they focus on it a lot. As a female you do that just by existing (your looks) and therefore you focus on stuff like love and intimacy. Us guys do not have such luxury. Maybe top 10 percent super handsome ones can get girls attracted to them just by their looks but most guys cannot. They need to do it with their personality which is why PUA shit exists in the first place.

This guy is imo quite stage greenish with a good integration of the other stages.

@Preety_India Yes but most women at my age (22 and younger) are immature, i cannot expect a super wise woman at that age, i have to cater to my demographic. If i was dealing with 30 year old females i would have a much easier time because they are more mature and wise. Regarding relationships it is not really that difficult tbh, you can be nice to them and love them once they fall in love with you. The assertivness and ruthlessness is just on the beginning, after you get close you can be nice and shit. Although being too clingy is a huge issue is see guys make and ends up with them getting dumped in a 3 year relationship where they did so much for the girl. Quite sad but understandable. For us guys getting the sex is the most difficult thing of the process which is why most guys are so obsessed with it, the intimacy and relationship stuff comes more naturally and is not that important to us. You mostly see guys complaining about not getting laid, not complaining about their partner not being intimate with them. It is not a coincidence.

@Preety_India Guys need to develop their fun and playfulness, idk if that is a feminine thing or a masculine thing. However this idea that "just be yourself" bullshit that emerald says is quite missleading for a lot of guys. Grow yourself by socializing and doing it consciously would be a much better way of going around it. To be honest i found the most successful guys with girls to be quite masculine without a lot of feminine integration. They were usually super confident, ruthless, funny, detached and assertive towards their agenda. This is what i have seen to work with my friends at least.

@Leo Gura What methods do you use these days to increase your consciousness and understanding? You said you do not really use psychadelics much anymore, now you just contemplate and meditate? So how do you manage to still increase your consciousness and understanding at this point.

Going out and talking to girls is a must but if you do not know what you re doing, nothing will happen. There is a reason people study this shit, because it creates results. I noticed in myself as soon as i started to make the conversations with people i met more playful and humour focused rather than serious deep focused in general their reactions were better. What comes naturally to me is to be serious, make intellectual conversations and deep stuff, most people do not respond well to that. They respond with a friendzone at the best. Being fun and playful is quite important and a lot of guys need to develop that part of their personality which could be repressed for a lot of different reasons. I had to develop that part of myself and the results were quite shocking. People tend to just like mindless dumb bullshit stuff, especially girls. Just be fun and playful and they will love you. Flirting is also a must and i still suck at it, something which also does not come naturally to some guys at all. You make it as most guys are charming charismatic people when they are not. Talking to girls if you suck at it in itself will not be enough, you have to grow and develop yourself too. Which is done by practice ofc.

I was once depressed for a few weeks because of some personal issues. I was not diagnozed but i am quite sure that i would have been so. It is the most disgusting feeling i can image. The main idea is as Leo said, loss of hope. You feel hopeless, like things are fixed and cannot be changed (whatever it is that you are depressed about). The crazy part is that you actually believe it fully. The mind is quite a tricky thing.

This post is totally ridicioulous. ALL physical shaming language is bad and hurts other's self esteem. Why should being fat get such special treatment considering it is totally within someone's control. What about nose size shaming? What about dick size shaming? What about bald shaming? What about height shaming? What about eye/hair colour shaming? What about skin colour shaming? What about ear size or lip size shaming? What about eye size or shape shaming? All things that you cannot change yet fatness get special treatment? A person will feel a lot worse about himself when you shame them about something they cannot change compared to something you can change. All this fat acceptance stuff to me seems like rationalization of lazyness while millions are depressed about things that they cannot change, where is the empathy for them? If you wanna be so nice then be my guest, but all shaming should be removed not just fat shaming. Fat shaming imo should be the last to be removed since it is the one that is totally within your control. In case all shaming is removed then great job, you are an amaizing human being however 99 percent of them shame on all the things i wrote above but for some reason fat shaming is soo cruel and mean, bias 101.

Also people that watch Leo's content tend to be intellectual and logical people due to his teaching style and things that he tends to discuss It suits such people more and such people tend to struggle more with girls because such people tend to be naturally introverted and intellectual. An introvert is more likely to question reality and care about epistmeic issues due to them being in their heads a lot more. I do not expect your party jock to watch Leo's videos. It will be the intellectual nerd that will. So his teaching style draws in a certain demographic which tends to be naturally worse with girls. It also explains why most of his followers are male due to his teaching style.

@Terell Kirby What is wrong with improving your skills on getting girls? Being an angry incel is not better.

@Terell Kirby I see no issues with the theory of pick up, i just find the community very immature. It is not that you would not manipulate people if you did not know the concepts of pick up. People manipulate a lot either way.

@Leo Gura If you could start over would you have approached pickup and attraction in a different less biased, less pragmatic way? Or are such views neccesary to get success? Was your approach already mature and unbiased relative to most guys that do pickup?

Another thing which i would like improved here is whenever you think someone is wrong then explain to them why they are wrong. You are wrong/biased etc is not enough, an explanation of why they are so would be more useful. Do you really expect a super stubborn person to understand it all by himself without any guidance? I noticed it in the girls want traditional man thread that was locked, not a good job was done to explain the OP why he was biased and wrong.

Also depends the context and the way you say it. I feel like Leo says it more in a neutral way like explaining how gravity works while you say it in a biased emotional angry resentful way, like being angry at gravity for working as it does. This is the issue with red pill, it has quite some truth to it but it uses it to build a very toxic ideology. I fell into it a year ago for a bit and looking back, well, pride does not follow the statement. There is definetly a lot of hypocrisy from females regarding dating and stuff but as i said in my previous comment, guys are not better. Both genders are hypocritical fucks. Red pill makes it seem as if only girls are so. "Girls love opportunistically and guys love idealistically". BULLSHIT! All love has some opportunistic elements to it. They make men like enlightned yogis when they re just as selfish as females are.

@Leo Gura My issue is not approaching at all. I have met a lot of girls and stuff, the issue lies with what happens after the approach, not with the approach itself. The advice you have given me regarding flirting escalation etc is the problem and i am actively trying to correct it, approaching is the easy part for me . When i say by existing i mean when i act "normal" or "typical" instead of trying to use game on them.

@Leo Gura Thank you very much. Unlike a lot of my guy friends i rarely get choosing signals from girls (indicators of interests etc) just by existing so i am trying to learn how to attract them using my personality instead of my appearance. Your input is helpful, thank you.

@Leo Gura The only issue i have with the typical attraction theory and hook points etc is that it is basically made for pick up in a club, bar, park etc. What about social circle, or meeting girls through work, university, common organisations etc. I met a lot of girls in this way as i am a student but does this still work? This hook point 30 minute stuff? What if you do not have the time to talk to them straight for 30 minutes but just a couple?

@Roy Or maybe because people these days are way too paranoid and scared.

@Preety_India Forcing myself to get kicked out of a club seems like a great idea!