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Also people that watch Leo's content tend to be intellectual and logical people due to his teaching style and things that he tends to discuss It suits such people more and such people tend to struggle more with girls because such people tend to be naturally introverted and intellectual. An introvert is more likely to question reality and care about epistmeic issues due to them being in their heads a lot more. I do not expect your party jock to watch Leo's videos. It will be the intellectual nerd that will. So his teaching style draws in a certain demographic which tends to be naturally worse with girls. It also explains why most of his followers are male due to his teaching style.

@Terell Kirby What is wrong with improving your skills on getting girls? Being an angry incel is not better.

@Terell Kirby I see no issues with the theory of pick up, i just find the community very immature. It is not that you would not manipulate people if you did not know the concepts of pick up. People manipulate a lot either way.

@Leo Gura If you could start over would you have approached pickup and attraction in a different less biased, less pragmatic way? Or are such views neccesary to get success? Was your approach already mature and unbiased relative to most guys that do pickup?

Another thing which i would like improved here is whenever you think someone is wrong then explain to them why they are wrong. You are wrong/biased etc is not enough, an explanation of why they are so would be more useful. Do you really expect a super stubborn person to understand it all by himself without any guidance? I noticed it in the girls want traditional man thread that was locked, not a good job was done to explain the OP why he was biased and wrong.

Also depends the context and the way you say it. I feel like Leo says it more in a neutral way like explaining how gravity works while you say it in a biased emotional angry resentful way, like being angry at gravity for working as it does. This is the issue with red pill, it has quite some truth to it but it uses it to build a very toxic ideology. I fell into it a year ago for a bit and looking back, well, pride does not follow the statement. There is definetly a lot of hypocrisy from females regarding dating and stuff but as i said in my previous comment, guys are not better. Both genders are hypocritical fucks. Red pill makes it seem as if only girls are so. "Girls love opportunistically and guys love idealistically". BULLSHIT! All love has some opportunistic elements to it. They make men like enlightned yogis when they re just as selfish as females are.

@Leo Gura My issue is not approaching at all. I have met a lot of girls and stuff, the issue lies with what happens after the approach, not with the approach itself. The advice you have given me regarding flirting escalation etc is the problem and i am actively trying to correct it, approaching is the easy part for me . When i say by existing i mean when i act "normal" or "typical" instead of trying to use game on them.

@Leo Gura Thank you very much. Unlike a lot of my guy friends i rarely get choosing signals from girls (indicators of interests etc) just by existing so i am trying to learn how to attract them using my personality instead of my appearance. Your input is helpful, thank you.

@Leo Gura The only issue i have with the typical attraction theory and hook points etc is that it is basically made for pick up in a club, bar, park etc. What about social circle, or meeting girls through work, university, common organisations etc. I met a lot of girls in this way as i am a student but does this still work? This hook point 30 minute stuff? What if you do not have the time to talk to them straight for 30 minutes but just a couple?

@Roy Or maybe because people these days are way too paranoid and scared.

@Preety_India Forcing myself to get kicked out of a club seems like a great idea!

@Preety_India How so? Btw why the fuck would someone get kicked out of a club for talking to people as long as it is done in a respectful way. It defies all logic.

@Leo Gura What is a chod? Beta? Loser? Weak?

When you realize it is one of the richest state of one of the richest countries in the world.

@Vladimir You can also admire hitler for his public speaking skills. I do not think Leo admires PUA attitude and goals but their skill set. How you use the skill set is up to you.

@Gesundheit2 What he is saying is technically correct. However he is ignoring the fact that guys are just as bad. Imagine Stalin calling Hitler a mass murderer, well that is true but also stalin is a mass murderer

@Javfly33 Not much. I have done it in house parties because i am in university but not in an actual nightclub. I also did some in class where i would start talking to girls in my class. My aim was to be comfortable with introducting myself to strangers and get good at small talk, not pick up girls. So i was focusing on getting better at those things, not necessarily flirting or escalation. I would also talk to guys even though i am straight because again my point was to improve my social skills in general. It did work and i got quite decent at it but i still suck with girls because flirting and escalation are still concepts i have little experience at. I am good at teasing though Being good at small talk and conversations and introduction yourself etc help with girls but not as much as flirting or escalation skills. It is good that you do not drink when trying to be social. I think it is good to maybe use alcohol as a tool to learn more about yourself and game a bit drunk but do not use it as a crutch. Game a few times drunk, learn the lessions and then never drink anymore when you try to be social. There is nothing more lame than those guys that are very cold and antisocial and quiet when sober and when they get drunk they become super loud, fun and friendly. Locals in the country where i live are like that. DO NOT RELY ON ALCOHOL TO BE SOCIAL PLZ The bigger the difference between your sober and drunk state, the more inner issues you have that need to be addressed.

Leo is right here, 5-6 approaches will not be enough at all. If you can do that many approaches as a total noob it means you have potential, you will grow fast. Especially when you are sober, being drunk tbh makes it quite easy. Imagine going to the gym for 1 week and complain your body did not change, it is basically similar logic. Imagine going to 2 language classes and complain you cannot really speak the language yet. Another example.

Drop your desire to try to undersand or even care about such stuff. I did for a long time and it just makes you angry and bitter. Females are humans and therefore are full of biases and try to abuse the system whenever they can to fit their own survival agenda. If she can get away with a guy paying fo her stuff (which is the traditional thing to do) WHILE getting total equal treatment in terms of not doing chores, cooking etc then ofc she will. We are all selfish in the end. Imagine if you could be able to get a sweet feminine girl (traditional girl) that is also very easy to fuck, pays for her shit and loves you for being nice and meek, you would take it for sure. Both genders are selfish, biased and only care about their own agenda , not truth or being fair. I would like these threads to be gone in the future here because caring about such stuff will not improve your life. I could also write a long thread explaining the hypocricy of guys that would be equally triggering for all females reading it. It is not hard to point out selfishness of both sexes. I will give you one simple example out of many: "Guys want girls to sleep with them on the first date or otherwise she is a "bitch", on the meanwhile they judge girls for sleeping around a lot". Quite paradoxical dont you think?

@Vzdoh Ok fair points. That is because it is a lot easier to have genuine confidence when a guy is good looking, does not mean it cannot happen though. Otherwise as i said you would never see an average guy with a hot girl, however you do from time to time. Plenty of players are average looking and still managed to get results. But yes it is rare and not suprised you did not see it. I personally have met guys that pull it off but you can tell when you meet them easily. I think vibe is just as important as looks and vibe is noticed asap, you do need to talk much to tell.

@Vzdoh So you care about vibe now, not just looks Maybe you arent but other girls are. How do you think guys below 5/10 get laid by hot girls? I am sure you see it from time to time.

No i would not. Everyone has the right to go for what they want and what they think is best for them. Getting "offended" for such a thing is the definition of arrogance and narcisism. Now would i date her? That depends. But neither way i would admire her courage because putting yourself on the line deserves some respect when done in a cool way.

@Vzdoh Value for guys and girls is assymetrical. The comparison is false. Imagine a weak needy loser that has no job and has 0 confidence approach you. That would be the equivalent of the ugly fat girl. Most players would prove you wrong.

@TK2021 Value for guys is not just looks but other stuff. A 4/10 looking guy can have other things that give him the same sexual value as a 8/10 looking girl. Yes the differences of sexes should be taken into considertion indeed.

It is exactly this kind of attitude that make guys insecure around girls they consider attractive. How about instead of this negative stuff saying something like: Respect to that guy for actually having the balls and going for what he wants even if according to society it is out of his league. As long as he was not rude or mean or harrasing you then no need for such negative vibe. How are they supposed to behave? From 1 side you girls tell guys to be confident and cool and then when they actually act confident you say this stuff. So basically you only want "handsome" guys to be confident and anyone else is outside your periphery. This attitude is exactly what creates incels. Maybe those 4s have other things to offer? Honestly i expect more from girls in this forum, if a guy wrote this it would be labeled as misogonistic shallow hate. I do not blame Leo and most guys i know in real life for telling me not to listen to girls, listening to them ruins your self-esteem. This is a good example why.