Karmadhi

May I ask why you always assess girls in terms of hotness as the main factor? It seems to me quite orange from such a developed person. Not saying looks don't matter but there is a lot more to a person than just their looks, especially when you go on the higher stages. You can approach an okay looking girl and get in a great relationship if the other factors are on point.

If a girl takes care of herself she wont be unattractive. Taking care of a woman involves makeup, going to the gym and some surgery worst case. That is a lot easier to do than learning pickup or game for a guy so even unattractive girls have it easier than unattractive guys in terms of raising their value. Just look at some celebreties before and after to see the difference it can make, same person. I know girls that went from a 4 to a 7 just from a nosejob and going to the gym in 3 months.

I feel like they are objectivelly better as girlfriends and partners compared to stage green equality girls. At least a lot of guys from green countries tend to like to date blue girls due to that.

Feminism has changed that, especially for young girls. Not the case anymore in developed countries. True but basically they need to put an extra 1000 hours or more to get what girls get without any effort. I get your point though. Very true for the most part, however do girls really want to marry a 45 year old guy? What about 50? Mostly true except weight. It is an issue for both genders. Youth i agree with you. Very true. Very true, however there is no proof that it does decrease the quality of life. Maybe being more emotional makes u happier than being a stoic robot like a lot of guys are. This is neither a good or bad thing. They dont have to so why would they? You arent out hunting for deer for example. You take no initiave in getting your own food, you just pick the food that is given in front of you in a store. So now the ancient humans are more lucky than you that they get to kill whatever food they want to eat? Not having to worry about dating and just picking one of the dozens options in front of you is a priviledge not a curse. Very true for the most part. I like it for most domains of life except dating haha.

You already get lifted up by the bunch of guys giving you attention 24/7 so no complaints

So in what regard do guys have more leeway? You are basically saying that guys need to work harder than girls in general. So females have it easier?

That is 70 approaches a week which is kinda ridicioulous. Nobody can do that much unless it is their full time job. Most guys struggle to do 25 a week at best. Secondly, i met a guy who had around 2k approaches, even had an excel shit and his skills are insane. He can get number of like 50% of girls he opens during day and is a local coach atm. I have seen him in action, total beast. When he started he had a lot of approach anxiety but had decent social skills. I always assume you have a healthy social life and decent social skills before you start this stuff. Not someone that has never talked to someone in his life. Then ofc 2k might not be enough.

I have met most good gamers in my city and tbh the most i have seen is 2000 from a guy and he is a total beast. Gets like 60% number and close to 1 lay per 15 approaches (day guy). The rest that get good results usually are between 500-1000. I think 5000 is a bit overkill unless you are looking to become a world class PUA with 200 lays or something or unless you are a very hard case with 0 social skills when you start. Personally i started doing it recently and it took me around 7 approaches to get my first date from it. Probably luck but the rest i know started getting results around the 500 mark. By results i mean consistently kinda, not just 1 lucky date. Most of them are during day though, maybe night requires more volume idk. I say this cuz when someone hears 5000-10.000 they will be greatly discouraged when its not really necessary unless u wanna be world class at this stuff, when most guys dont.

Why dont you fall for good guys then? They are also trustworthy and will actually not take advantage of your trust. Good kind guys with integrity are the most trustworthy people of all.

Unfortunately in most societies men are supposed to get married around 30 before they peak in value so they never capitalize it properly. In my home country if a man is 35 and unmarried people will start wondering if there is something wrong with him. If he is 40 and goes for a hot 25 year old people will judge the shit out of them. Being a player till 40 and getting married at 45 is a Western priviledge. In some countries men marry at 25 ffs.

I have noticed, even with very intelligent well educated females i know, they pick their partners JUST based on how they "feel about them". Nothing else is taken into account. I never understood this, personally i would never seriously date someone just because of how i felt. Are guys more logical or it is a deeper element to this?

PICKUP ARTISTS MUST BE STOPPED - YouTube This is a video AG Hayden made which shows what i mean exactly. These feminist garbage videos really contribute negatively to society. They are as toxic as a Andrew Tate videos and should be banned. Bunch of biases.

I still dont think its a good idea to shame masculinity, especially the non-toxic one and pussify men. Even Leo has said this in a comment he made in his old pickup videos, went something like :You have become pussified by modern society. Pussifying men does not help society.

Library and parks. Conferences Events with an intellectual component to them like book seminars. University campuses IF you re the right age and can pull it off. Anywhere thats not a club/bar almost hahahah.

Why are men today so meek and weak and soft compared to the in the past? I also see it especially in rich developed countries. I have read that society enforces this to make it easier to control them and it rewards meekness and not standing up for yourself by shaming masculinity in the media. Owen Cook and many PUAs have said this. What are your thoughts?

Do you have something against daygame btw? I notice you never mention it, only nightgame on clubs and bars. I know plenty of guys that do like 20 approaches a week from daygame (10 per session/2 session a week). You think is less effective or? I personally do better there than nightgame that is why i was wondering.

Ok now i understand. Makes sense.

Does this also work with conservative girls? I feel like this is true for more open liberal western girls but not every girl is like that. Where i live at least, some (not all) girls need to kinda get together or think it will be something serious before they even have sex with you. So i think it really depends on the girl level of openess when it comeS to sexuality. However, in the USA girls are super open from what i have heard from my friends that did Erasmus there or come from there (i live in a super intertional city) so what you say makes total sense. For example if the OP was from India (i see you have many indians in this forumn) then things would be totally different because that culture is way more conservative when it comes to sex. Just saying it does not apply to all cultures, only to open ones like in the USA. @Vercingetorix Where are you currently approaching, like what country? USA?

Of course but we are talking about pickup coaches here. I would gladly listen to Owen for life purpose and motivation stuff however that is independent of knowing how to run an interaction with girls, how to approach in a smooth way, how to push towards sex and how to text/maintain the girl. If he was a life coach for example i think he would be good at it. Why not both? Why not learn from someone that is good at explaining and also is good at the thing itself. I get your point though.

He has plenty of collabs with other coaches, he shits on most especially RSD but not ALL. I have seen a lot of his roasts and some of them are quite bullshit and picking for no reason. The one with Owen though seemed quite legit. It boiled down to the fact that Owen does not have great game and therefore should not be your coach. Which makes sense. You should get coached by someone that is actually really good himself and gets good results (not necessary John, just someone really good).

He has plenty of collabs with other coaches, he shits on most especially RSD but not ALL. I have seen a lot of his roasts and some of them are quite bullshit and picking for no reason. The one with Owen though seemed quite legit. It boiled down to the fact that Owen does not have great game and therefore should not be your coach. Which makes sense. You should get coached by someone that is actually really good himself and gets good results (not necessary John, just someone really good).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzPkDmqfr6s You mean this guy? Lol. Even if only 10% of what is said on the video is true, it is enough reason to stay the fuck away. Your friend AG Hayden is much better role model for learning game. Also seems introverted too and not natural since birth so good for learning from.

I feel like to do well with women you need to be stage orange or to some extent have its elements. I say this because your How to get laid series outside the ethics section looked quite orange to me. Most green people would call it mysogonistic and sexist if they saw it and you would get hate for it. Meanwhile you are like yellow and still talk about getting laid in an orange way. Why is this so? Basically all of green approach to getting laid is totally different from yours (they hate pick up for eg).

I personally dont care, i was just following his trail of thought which was: "If you cannot tell your friends and people about it because they will judge you then it is not socially acceptable".

We dont live in the stone age anymore. A nice guy provider is way more useful to her survival these days. Or is her attraction circuit still based on the stone age, on what would be useful in the stone age.