Karmadhi

Is there any benefit in doing nightgame over daygame then? In my city the quantity of girls during day is around the same and the girls being rude made me kind of quit nightgame (at least for now) and focus on day.

@Raze This could be easily solved by finding something in the middle. Most guys are either asshole players nor shy nerds, they are something in the middle. Just go for those guys in the middle and problem solved. Most guys I know are those in the middle. So someone that has some confidence, can make jokes, has their life together etc. I never refer to autistic guys that cannot hold a conversation with a girl.

Hello I have noticed by talking with my female friends that most of them are frustrated or unhappy with their dating life. It makes totally no sense to me because most of them have plenty of guys that have hit on them at some point, most of these guys were quite good guys, not players. Smart, fit, interesting, caring, kind guys. However they still feel frustrated. Often the frustration comes because 1 specific guy that they liked either hurt them or dumped them or whatever and now they feel like dating sucks etc, conveniently ignoring all the other guys that also showed them interest. So because 1 guy, often a very high value guy relative to you hurt you, now you multiply all the other 9 guys with 0. I do not understand it. The girls of the forum could give insight on this

May I ask what was your motivation to do pickup when it is so hardcore instead of getting results via more traditional ways like social circle, events, group parties etc?

@assx95 Why dont you try online dating? It is the easiest way to get dates imo, just do a photoshoot, get tinder platinum and problem solved. You will probably get a few dates from it at least and maybe even a lay

It would be cool if you make a video about "What it means to be a man" which could be a direct antidote to Andrew Tate philosophy about it means to be a man. It could go up to the metaphysical level and help many young men. Perhaps "What is masculinity" could be a good title. Just a suggestion

Why dont you do daygame if nightgame is not your natural thing? You have said yourself it suits you more. Is Vegas that bad for daygame? In videos online I see it has plenty of busy streets filled with people. Daygame can also be done with a wing, in my city it is mostly daygame and you have 2 or 3 guys meeting and doing it and pushing each other. Now that you have the skills you can do 10 daygame approach per session and probably get a few numbers from each.

I have heard that your body can adjust depending on how much you sleep. Like it is flexible not fixed on a specific amount. Normally I need around 8.5-9 hours to feel well rested but last summer for around 3 weeks I went through a very busy period and I was sleeping around 5 hours a night. After 10 days or so I started to feel well rested with 7 hours of sleep when normally 7 hours is not enough for me. What are your thoughts on this?

Im just a bit butthurt and annoyed about having to do this game shit to have a decent dating life cuz i do not really enjoy it much but I am doing the work nonethless. I just like to catharsis sometimes here. In real life I am super positive, this is my emotional dumpster.

They fall for high value guys which are not most people. They also cut you off for all sorts of stuff. The only guys I know that have options with girls are either very good looking guys (genetic lotary) or guys that went through legit HELL to build their game (like Leo did). To need to either win genetic lottary or go through hell to have options with girls is fucked up. I do not see girls going through hell if they are not top 10% of looks, they still have more options than most guys. And not only shit options but the decent guys in their social circle or work which they love to friendzone all the time.

Very interesting. Im curious, these guys that girls tolerate a lot are they players with great game or not? If you are a PUA player or natural game person then I agree with you but most guys are not. Being a decent guy that treats girls well does not mean you need to have great game. Many (but not all) of the experiences I have heard of girls being hurt by guys was because the guys tended to be playerish kinda guys with lots of options with other girls. This does not mean he is a decent guy. To me decent guy is based on being responsible, reliable, interesting (so not boring), secure in himself, wise, caring and having his life together. Many of these guys are not girl magnet yet would make the best boyfriends. So it is not hard for a girl to get a decent guy that will treat her well. Biggest issue I guess is that these guys sometimes are scared to approach but it can be solved by dating them from work/social circle etc.

I agree with you that they are frustrated. I have spoken with many many about this and they are not happy at all. However, I have noticed that the main reason it happens is because they are looking for the perfect guy and have unrealistic expectations. Also if a guy does 1-2 mistakes somewhere they immediately cut him off and are overall a lot harsher. If a guy was as harsh and picky as most girls he would never get laid unless he was a proper PUA (which are like 5% of the population of men max). So they are creating their own problem. It is as if I will only work if I get top 10% salary or only eat restourant level foods. It is a silly and childish logic, real life you need to be make compromises and settle.

How can you do that? Aside from good in bed and making jokes/playful any other way? Does being ambitious and passionate about life count as emotional stimulation? Does being able to talk about different topics and interesting to talk to count? Does being confident in yourself count? Does positive vibe count?

I am talking about purely relationship stuff. Not sex. Girls I know they have guys behind them and I met some of them, they are very stable guys and quite developed people. You do not need to be hot top 20% to have a decent guy want to be with you and treat you well. That is what i have seen with my own eyes. If you associate decent guy with a player with good game then I agree. Personally i associate decent guy with intelligence, stability, development and being not boring to talk with. However it is not that hard for a girl to find a smart, caring, stable guy that also has some confidence and humour (just not on player level). I honestly do not know why you have this idea that unless a girl is 8+ then guys will just pump and dump her and not treat her well. Even a 6 will get guys that will be interested in her for something more serious and treat her well. Because I have seen it a lot with couples I know in real life and just talking to people. Maybe in USA or Vegas is different idk, I am not discrediting your personal experiences but mine are quite different.

Thing is that you do not need to be in the top 10% to actually have decent dating options as a girl. Even a relatively cute girl will have more options than most guys so by default they have it easier. It is only the legit ugly girls that have it worse, I would say 80% of girls have it easier than 80% of guys. Or in other words only 20% of girls actually struggle compared to like 80% of guys. I have plenty of female friends from all sorts of attractiveness ranges and honestly most of them get attention from pretty decent guys. Yes, they may not be a super mega player or millionare celebrity but they are usually kind, caring well put together smart guys that have shit going on their lives. Keep in mind most dating happens via online dating or social stuff and there a cute girl will do more than well enough. A girl does not need to get approached on a club or street to have dating options.

How are your social skills? Many people here might dissagree with this but if you do not have at least decent social skills and social intelligence then I think you have more important things to worry about than pickup. To develop social skills pickup is not the best way because it is very artificial and mechanical. For that I would reccomend meetup events and social groups, best way to grow your social skills really fast. Once you become likable and ease to talk with, you can go to pickup. Doing pickup with bad social skills to me is pointless and will make the journey hell. If you have already decent social skills then just focus on more approaches.

Smile A LOT, be positive AF. Do not say "I like you", it is a bit strange. Maybe just give a compliment like "I found you cute and wanted to say hi". Something more simple. Dress well, take care of your looks. Try to prioritze girls that are not in a rush or are just sitting somewhere (usually more responsive). Have positive energy and vibe that is KEY. Also innocence. You can deal with the sexual intent after, first try to get good conversations going without creeping people out.

Your first date should not be anything fancy, a drink or coffee is perfect. Therefore even if you pay for her the added cost will be low. Personally I think it is good to pay just not to ruin the mood and make things uncomfortable. Paying for a 4 dollar coffee does not make you a "provider" or anything like that as these Red Pill idiots make it seem. If you do fancy dinners then it is a bit more different, I would avoid that. If you cannot afford 5 dollars extra for a date, then you have bigger issues in your life than lack of women.

Most couples I have seen actually do this but not in an organized calculated way. Basically social circle from what I see in online videos, is to organize parties and stuff in order to get laid, but that is not how most guys date. Usually they know a lot of people by just being social and going to things and in time from that they meet other people and pursue those they like. For example you go to your friend birthday party, meet people and then you pursue one you like. Or you go ice skating with some friends and someone invites a friend and you get to know them. Then you add them in social media and start pursuing them by texting them. After a bit of texting you ask them to meet you 1 on 1. Usually the volume will be a lot lower but each lead is a lot stronger because you already have a lot of value by just being friend with their friend (from safety pov). Also your friends can DHV you if needed. Just to note this is not necessarily a strategy people do to get laid, they just live their life normally and they naturally meet people this way and date ones they like. I notice the return ratio is way higher than pickup (maybe you get 1 date per 3/4 girls you pursue). That is how I got like 1/3 of all dates in my life haha. Are you familiar with this? Not necessary you personally but people you may know. To me this is true social circle not organizing parties to get laid and stuff (to me it seems like another form of pickup). The biggest drawback I found is that you need to already have some skill for this to work. As a total noob it will not work because you have less volume. However if you have some ok skill then you can capitalize on that volume since it is a lot more prominent.

Totally agree but it is a function of spamm approaching in general, not just daygame spam approaching. Although during day it is more intense, I agree with you. However, this is a numbers game so we need to play it. Also you need volume to get experience. If you want to be honest about it, you can say: If I find a cute girl in public when I am going somewhere and I am in the right mood I go talk to her politely and see where it goes (you are being honest). I doubt girls will see you as a creep if you say this with positive energy and a warm friendly smile.

Most couples are not found on clubs either. I would say more couples are created from daygame than nightgame. It is just that it is not "daygame", just people randomly somehow meeting. It is quite romantic and movies love to show it. I know people that got girlfriends from train stations that do not even know what game is, they just somehow ended up talking. So in terms of actual couples formed I would say it is around same (meeting during day or night). Most couples are created via social circle and then online dating and then work/university/common activities. Pickup at clubs is not a traditional mean either. So your logic, which honestly I find a big limiting belief applies for clubs either. At least where I live it is like this, maybe your country is different. But if you want to get traditional, that is how couples used to meet in the past. Minus the spam approach part haha. Let me frame it in a positive way for you: You are a great guy, with high integrity that wants to give love and you are talking to someone you find nice to see if there is any chemistry and if they would be interested to get to know you better and maybe something can come from it. If not, no worries. All she would have gotten from you is positive stuff. If you do daygame to create harems and sleep with dozens of girls then yeah, it comes off as very scummy. That orange BS to dating is repulsive. Try green values embodiment and you will not feel bad about approaching during the day. It feels to me more romantic and pure and innocent and cute so the reason why you do it is very very important. Try to approach almost like a naive kid discovering the world full of positivity and love to give (while being wise, funny and confident ofc) and you will see it will not feel scummy. If you think about it, most guys that do this stuff are pretty scummy with low integrity (at least the good ones), so if you have a heart of gold and a lot of love/wisdom to give to the girl then you will feel pretty good about approaching them. If you come up with positivity and good energy they will not be rude or annoyed. Trust me I have tried it, 90% of reactions are positive and a few neutral ones. You can use the same mindset for nightgame but since you have no issues with it, no need to apply it.

I recently hanged out with a super super average looking guy and he showed my his Tinder profile. Many matches, some pretty decent girls and plenty of convos and even some nudes. So yeah it is just limiting belief from your part. There is 1 catch though, he looks way better in his pics. I showed his main profile pic to someone and they said "he looks nice", in real life they would never say so.

You are right but to be honest mass approaching is seen like that wherever you do it. Girls do not understand how it works for a guy to get girls so they will assume you are weird if you spam approach in general. I have heard girls many times call guys that spam approach in a club desperate and stuff. They are clueless about male attraction struggles. Best advice is not to tell girls about it because they will judge unfortunately. Guys do not give a fuck, even if you do daygame spam approaching. These are just my observations but my circle is quite international so I feel like it captures most diverse cultures of the world. Personally I am very respectful and polite whenever I approach so for me it does not make much of a difference. Issue with daygame is that many guys are socially retarted and do not know when to back off and the girls feel super uncomfortable. If you have good social intelligence and high empathy it should be ok. Also starting with a compliment can create a good vibe and leave the girl in a good mood. If you do daygame right it will make girls happy you approached them, but many guys do not do that and hence it has this bad reputation. You need to stand out from the crowd in a good way. Nightgame is also great and will grow you more than daygame, especially if you are a nice guy like me however for actual results it seems very very difficult. I would use it more for training and then daygame for actual results (dates, lays etc).

For me night game seems like a waste of time after you do it for a while. It depends on your personality and behaviour. For results I think daygame and online are far superior than night game however night game grows you more because girls in nightgame are super savage. Nightgame looks matter more than in daygame and brash loud extroverted behaviour is rewarded a lot more than in daygame. So if you struggle with those things it can help you grow. Also it is amaizing to get over your fear of rejection (main reason I was doing it). However if you are introverted or more soft spoken, lower energy than daygame is a lot better due to the connection you can create and it is usually 1 on 1. Also it can be more efficient since you can do basically do it anywhere. Online is best for just maximizing lays (the most efficient by far) but it does not grow you that much.

Females incentive guys to be players. Then they complain about being treated like shit.