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It has a racist zionist government and most of its population is brainwashed. What is hard to believe here? It is not the first time a country had a racist government which believed itself to be superior to its neighbhours. Nobody is saying every Israeli is evil or anything like that. Just like not every German in Nazi Germany was bad or every russian in Putin s Russia is bad. Many intellectually honest Israelis have criticized its government and its past actions, ironically they have been outcasted.

And USA s image is heavily damaged by how they acted and has been criticized ever since. So you are saying they are acting wrongly here. I am all for that, however cutting down electricity and water for millions and bombing hospitals seems like a very ruthless way of doing so which totally ignores civilians caught in the crossfire. Again, when Russia did the same to Ukranins the EU leaders made posts calling it a war crime and collective punishment. That is where I learned that it is not acceptable behaviour. Keep in mind Israel is a new country created by taking land from a soverign legitimate state which was Palestine in 1947. Their very existence as a state is controversial. Imagine me coming to your home and demanding most of it because according to what I believe, it was my house 2000 years ago.

I am quoting similar things that have been called Russia which i dont think behaves any less humanely than the Israel army, at least airstrike wise. They took most of their land, forcing hundreds of thousands to leave their homes. What is that?

@Scholar There were plenty of crimes being commited in Donbask , a province mainly Russian by Ukraine nationalists. Google it a bit. Also those sensless act of terrorism as you call it is the result of Israel treatment of Palestinians for over 70 years. Do not ignore historical context here. This is not an independent act. You can see from 2008 the ratio of Palestinians to Israelis killed is 20 to 1. So those acts of sensless terrorism is the outcome you get from your policies.

Israel is acting just like Russia does. Well when you ethnic cleanse, commit genocide, steal land and treat millions as subhumans for 70 years that is what is expected to happen. I feel sorry for the innocents that were killed but it was not unprovoked. Israel attitude towards Palestine is the true cause of all this conflict. In 2014 alone Israel killed more than Hamas did a few days ago. Their attitude towards Palestine is same as Nazis had towards Slavs.

So is Russia attack on Ukraine by your logic. Yet West condemns it. Why so?

Say whatever you want but Russia is sanctioned as hell and condemned by the west and Israel is getting support. How would you justify this? This is the real reason people are so angry. If Israel got the same treatment as Russia is getting by the international community, it would not be such a hot topic right now.

The official death toll for Ukranian civilians according to UN is around 10.000 or so. The 25.000 is not confirmed. Also, keep in mind Russia is being punished heavily for its actions, Israel is getting support. If Israel got the same treatment as Russia did then nobody would be so angry. I cannot believe people in this forum are defending such blatant war crimes.

Hospitals are neutral places which should not be bombed. There are international laws regarding this stuff. How come when Russia does this the world looses its shit? I can use same argument there. I cannot understand how people in this forum are defending such blatant war crimes. Self biased at its finest.

Probably some of the bombings are done on purpose to instill terror on the civilian population and for revenge. Google "terror bombing", was quite popular in the past. Considering Israel sees Palestines as subhuman trash, it is not hard to believe they would be capable of it and have no moral qualms.

Thing is Israel does this in order to destroy the morale of the civilian population and to inflict terror. It is called "terror bombing", used to be quite popular in the past.

There was a terrorist attack a few hours ago in the European Capital where I live, the killer posted a video saying he is avenging muslims and is an ISIS member. 2 confirmed dead so far by shooting, he is not yet caught. I am hearing theories that it is done on purpose by the West in order to remove sympathy from palestine. Personally I think it is just a terrorist reaction to what is going on there, since my city is the capital of the EU which supports Israel. What you think?

That is a very small percentage of crazy radicals, not everyone. Most Islamists oppose terrorist attacks and abuse of women. Go talk to some.

That is because Japan was invading Asia and killing millions under a racist supremacist ideology. It was well deserved. I did not see Palestine kill millions, it was peacefully existing minding its own business. Japan was not and hence was sanctioned. It was creating an empire.

That is 1 country which already has issues. Look around in Arab countries not just Iran.

I compare a religion called Zionism which states "we are people chosen by God" and nazi ideology which states "our race is superior to all other races". I do not see much differences here in the ideology itself.

The difference is that Islam is not wiping out women like Israel is wiping out Palestinians. Islam is quite respectful to women in many ways, they just have strict gender roles. Women in Islam for example do not need to provide for the family. You just see the cartoon version of Islam where they portray Islam as a woman abuser. I know because I used to think the same until I did some actual research about it. Regarding LGBT firstly they are too little proportion of population to even be relevant and secondly Islam allows them to be clear as long as they change their ways and try to act normal. I dont think most people are naturally gay, a lot is influenced by LGBT propaganda. Israel meanwhile does not give Palestinians the chance to get humane treatment, you cannot become a Zionist. Also if you actually see most Islam societies they do function quite ok and they are growing. I do not see genocide nor ethnic cleansing of other religions the same way that Israel does Palestininas. Nor stealing land.

The difference is that first of all that was 80 years ago. Back then carpet bombing civilians with Napalm was acceptable. Today is considered a war crime. Secondly Japan had bullied and terrorized Asia for 15 years and killed millions and also had attacked the USA even though USA did not take any of Japan's land nor kill its civilians. Hamas is a byproduct of Israel actions towards Palestine, it is Israel that is responsible for creating them. The fundamental issue with Israel is that it is a Zionist state with a toxic ideology that says that Jews are superior and chosen by God. This makes them extremly entitled and ruthless in their actions. The current Israel government is Zionist which are the modern day equivalent of Nazis with their superior race bullshit. I know people that went there and told me the amount of brainwashing Israelis go through from childhood is insane. They are just as radicalized and brainwashed as most regimes that commit attrocities through history. USA supports them because Jews have influence in the West and they want to weaken the Arabs and control their oil, not because Israel is more "developed". They also support Saudi Arabia that behead people in mass execution's. Dont act like USA gives a single shit about "development" of a society.... It is pure interest.

So is the west and russia. Everyone got involved in that war in 1 way or another. USA is by far the biggest reason Iraq is a mess today. How many sanctions did USA get when they invaded Iraq? Just to be clear, I am not saying Iran is good but that the international community has double standards when the west does something bad compared to non west doing something bad.

Yes and it also killed 2000 palestinians, half civilians in response to 50 of their soldiers being killed in 2014. Such nice humane government they are . It reminds me of Nazi policies during the second world war where for every 1 german soldiers killed by resistance, they killed 100 civilians in response. You see similar numbers here. It is not accident. Well if you take 90 percent of their land what do you expect. See a map of evolution of land between israel and palestine through the decades and you can easily see the colonization slowly happening.

If Israel treated Palestinians humanely for last 70 years this would not happen in first place. It is a consequence of decades of bullying, bombings, taking land and ethnic cleansing. Check in 2014. 30 or something israeli soldiers dead compared to 2000 in gaza (more than half civilian). If this does not show you something is off, I do not know what will. I am against killing civilians in general and Hamas is fucked up but I totally understand where they are coming from given their conditions, upbringings etc.

Israel bombs civilians in purpose and cuts down water supplies. They are even worse than Russians which the west always condemns for war crimes. They said "free our hostages and we will give water again to 2 million civilians trapped in Gaza". How is that not a war crime I do not understand. How is that most dying in Gaza bombings are civilians and a crazy number of childreen. If they got such advanced precise weapons' they would keep it to a minimum but they do not care. You got many reports from there saying they bomb indiscriminately. I can assure you if Russia did to Palestine what Israel does they would get 10 times more shit. Since you have studied russian conflict well, can you tell me why Russia gets way more shit from the international community than Israel does?

How many sanctions have been put on Israel like they have been put on Iran or Russia? Iran is not even killing anyone and is more sanctioned. How many Israeli leaders or military have been trialed for war crimes? Saying "this is bad" in TikTok is not the same as actual punitive measures being taken against a country. Look at how much non western countries get punished when they do anything slightly "bad" and compare it with Israel. Heck how is that Iran is more sanctioned than Israel baffles me in itself. I dont see them invading nor killing anyone. How is that Saudi Arabia can behead 20 of its own citizens openly and nobody talks about "human rights" but when it comes to Iran they are the first to be vocal about it. The double standards are immense here.

I come from a pro israel country but honestly how can someone support Israel? It makes 0 sense to me. Of course terrorism is bad but the way they have treated Palestinians for over 70 years is just awful. What do you expect? How come their constant war crimes are always ignored while one time that it happens to them everyone looses their shit? I saw in 2014 there were like 2000 Palestinians dead, more than half civilians, compared to 50 Israeli soldiers. It shows how UN and all these international world organizations really turn a blind eye to Israel and give it favourable treatment. We have yet to evolve to a true objective wordily institutions. Right now it is as if the Supreme Court turns a blind eye when it is a powerful politican being trialed

Hello Personally I consider myself relatively liberal, especially when it comes to topics like taxation, economy, socialism, multiculturalism etc. I live in a very very liberal city in Western Europe which is quite diverse in both ideas and origins of people. Personally I also have many conservative friends, some quite religious and even though I often do not agree with their worldviews I tend to respect it and take it for what it is, not hating nor demonizing it. Leo's work and spiral dynamics has helped a lot with that (Thank you Leo ). However, I have noticed that Liberals, especially hardcore liberals tend to be extremely judgmental and harsh whenever they meet someone that does not have their liberal worldview. They will name call, judge, demonize and overall act very immaturely when someone thinks in a more conservative way than them. I know a very liberal and smart guy that once was talking to a friend of mine who is somewhat religious. The topic of homosexuality came up and my religious friend tended to say he does not support it but they should just do them. The liberal guy immediately flipped, saying "If you do not support them openly then you are against them and that makes you a bad person". Also he got quite emotional (he is not homosexual himself). If liberals tend to be more mature, developed, higher consciousness then how is it they tend to act in such a childish emotional way. I have had a lot of discussions with both hardcore liberals and hardcore conservatives and I have noticed that even though I tend to agree with liberals more often, when it comes to maturity in debates, conservatives tend to actually be more mature and grounded. They name call less, get less emotional and are less likely to stop talking to you even if you heavily disagree with their worldview. Overall their attitude is more mature even if you do not agree with them on a content level. Note: I always am talking about educated and relatively honest and good people here. All examples in my life involve such people since I met most in university.