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@Leo Gura I feel like it is way more effective for Arab countries to cut all oil/gas to the west and israel than do proxy wars. It would force the west into talks considering they also ditched russia when it comes to energy supplies.

@Leo Gura Do you think Hesboullah or other groups or countries will join in the war? If they combine Israel will be in trouble. Also a possible oil/gas embargo from Arab world to the West, I saw Qatar was threatining it already (they are their biggest gas supplier since they cut ties with russia).

@Leo Gura They have been clashing already in Northen Gaza and it does not seem too bad for them. I do not know if Hamas is luring them into a trap or not but so far their losses do not seem that high. They seem confident. However if Hesboullah and company also attacks it would be a different story of course.

Why is Israel so heartless towards Gaza civilians? A highly developed country should not act like this... Their war ethics seem so 20th Century.

@Nivsch Why dont you guys give them back all the land you took during Nakba which was historically Palestine inhabited. Just give them the land that used to be historically inhabited by Palestinians and keep the land that was historically inhabited by Jews. Problem solved.

@Vrubel Their biggest weapon is an oil embargo which they did in the past. Also gas. Qatar is already threatening that. EU already cut out gas from Russia, combining it with Arab oil and gaz embargo and it will not look good for them. Arab countries together control like 40% of all oil reserves in the world. No need to fire bullets, this could prove more effective. But I am not saying they will. @Leo Gura What do you think?

Well calling out to turn Gaza into Dresden looks like a solution to you? Because that is what Israeli elected politicans tend to support. I am sure you and many Israelis are normal decent people but many are brainwashed and extremely racist.

@PurpleTree Beautiful. Much respect to the Jews in the USA. The fault does not lie on Jews as a general group as much as Israeli s right wing ultra nationalism which has brainwashed the people living there. I am sure most Jews living outside Israel are much more reasonable.

@Vrubel Actually we got kicked out and lost many territories. Which is why I am so sympathetic to Palestine cause. My origin is from a neighboring city which is now part of another country however 80% of their population is our nationals. My country is 110 years old.

@Vrubel Because I did not steal or kick out anyone. Where I live my people have lived for millenia. "The foundational events of the Nakba took place during and shortly after the 1948 Palestine war, including 78% of Mandatory Palestine being declared as Israel, the expulsion and flight of 700,000 Palestinians, the related depopulation and destruction of over 500 Palestinian villages by Zionist militias and later the Israeli army[9] and subsequent geographical erasure, the denial of the Palestinian right of return, the creation of permanent Palestinian refugees, and the "shattering of Palestinian society" We did not do such barbarity to anyone.

Go to the USA then, I am sure they have plenty of land and would love you there.

They did do horrible crimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba Apparently destruction of 500 villages is not enough for you. "The foundational events of the Nakba took place during and shortly after the 1948 Palestine war, including 78% of Mandatory Palestine being declared as Israel, the expulsion and flight of 700,000 Palestinians, the related depopulation and destruction of over 500 Palestinian villages by Zionist militias and later the Israeli army[9] and subsequent geographical erasure, the denial of the Palestinian right of return, the creation of permanent Palestinian refugees, and the "shattering of Palestinian society" How can you have the audacity to defend Israel when their entire country is build on such barbarity?

@Gennadiy1981 Most of Palestinians were removed by force from Israel and their settlements were destroyed. I am not talking about actual states or not. If a group of people live in the same place for hundreds of years and then you come and force them to leave and take their land you are colonizing. End of story.

5000 years of persecution says otherwise. The first time in history you guys are not persecuted anymore and first thing you do is persecute others. The bullied becomes the bully. Shameful! China and Russia also have Nuclear Wepons. So they are also favored by God

We have international laws dude to avoid this. Everyone breaking them should be sent to jail for war crimes. Hamas and Israelis alike.

Because Israeli is the one colonizing not the other way around. A colonizer will be hated more by the colonized than the colonizer will hate the colonized. If I take your house unjustly and kick you out, and then we meet on the street, you will hate me much more than I would hate you.

Hamas are animals. Palestinian kids are not. Totally different actors. It is not like Hamas people are the ones mostly dying. I would have no issue if that was the case. Also Hamas does not get any western support. West is supposed to support the good humane guys, not animals.

Also the way Hamas killed Israelis was the usual way battles were fought in the past. Do you also not condemn them?

No I do not believe in any accountability for 5 year old kids which are half the ones dying.

I do not recall palestine being considered a "first world democracy". Neither does it recieve any Western support. Also its citizens live like animals due to Israeli occupasion. Do not ignore these.

Beautifully said.

Well it is not a perspective, you are objectivally wrong due to international laws. Sadly Israelis do not seem to recognize they exist and create their own system of justice. Genocide and wiping out of innocent non combatants is a war crime. War crimes are not justice. Humanity evolved past these barbarities. Such a perspective will put you in prison for war crimes.

You realize half of them are innocent kids that do not even know anything about politics. How can you guys be so inhumane in a personal development forumn?

Both call out for genocide of the other group. Being incinerated is not any more humane than dying by a machete you know... I understand you got animals in every country but how are these people elected in office? You think countries like Germany would allow people saying such things to be in office? This is what shocks me. It makes me loose respect for the collective moral development of Israeli society because such people would never be elected in the West. Of course not saying all Israelis are like this... First thing Israel should do after the war is ditch all these animals from their politics and replace them with orange/green guys that actually value all human life... I do not see things improving with these current politicians..

@Nivsch https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy3xop-NTUI/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng%3D%3D Since you seem to be from there can you please explain to me who this guy is and why is he calling out for genocide? He seems to be a politican from what I saw. How can such animals be elected in a "first world democracy"? It is baffling me honestly. They do not seem more morally developed than Nazis, such people.