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It was an extreme example to make my point. I do not think he is more evolved than people like Putin.

Why are they so hateful and ruthless? I doubt most of them have been personally affected by the war. At least with Hamas I can say that they have been born under Gaza which is a total shithole and many have family members that were killed by the IDF. So they have personal reasons to be cruel and hateful towards Isarelis. I do not see the IDF being personally affected in the same way. Unless you have a close friend killed in combat, which even that I doubt considering the death rate is quite low in the IDF relative to the number of mobilized troops. I am talking purely about these cruel unnecessary actions.

And Hitler was also doing what he thought was right for Germany. He cared about Germany too. By your logic lets also be chill with Hitler...

Increasing corruption is not a matter of perspective. A society with stronger rule of law is more evolved and less corrupt. You say yourself minimizing corruption is one of society's goals to aim for. Making the constitutional court your private playground is doing exactly the opposite of minimizing corruption. I am not very informed on Trump but I see he is on his way to win a second presidency and is for sure going to be the republican nominee. If people got a taste of 4 years of Trump and they still want to elect him, it means he did stuff right. Also, many people around the world like Trump because they say "no wars started under him, look at how much shit happened under Biden". But the fact that Americans liked his presidency enough to give him a second try shows he has some stuff going on for him.

Apparently people in South East Asia and Japan used to be dark skinned and look different but then Chinese settlers colonized those parts and drove them out. So Japanese are also settlers Also Bantus in Africa colonized the southern parts of Africa, driving the indigious Khosian people to near extintion. Read Guns Germs and Steel. It is very interesting to see the origins of most ethnic groups and realize colonizing happened a lot more than we think and many groups we consider "native" are actually colonizers. We all came from Africa so we are all colonizers. You will never find who drove out who first. Issue is that it is not acceptable anymore with 21st Morality norms therefore we loose our shit when it happens now. Just like the Hamas attack was textbook military practice in the past but it is considered totally unacceptable by today's morals.

Then how come the previous leaders of Israel did not have these corruption charges, nor did they try to undermine democracy or rule of law? What you said is irrelevant of what I am saying. I am talking about Israeli internal affairs, not how they handle their neighbors. Which Bibi is one of them.

I am sure they would be if you give them a fair deal. I saw from the Oslo stuff that even Israelis said "We would not have taken that deal if we were in Palestine place". So it depends on the deal. Give them a 50-50 land split and they will accept im sure. Also with Israeli genocide on Gaza, I can assume West Bank population will be more radicalized and peace may be harder. That is the consequence of inhumane policies. But I think a 50-50 split of what was the Palestine mandate would put an end to this cursed history.

Ridicioulous fear mongering, nothing more. To me they just say this shit to get the public to support funding Ukraine since people are getting tired of that war and do not want to support it anymore. Russia CANNOT take on NATO. It is taking them 2 years and they do not even control 25% of Ukraine yet, how the hell are they supposed to take on half of Europe? Also NATO in Ukraine is not 100% full power, they often delayed stuff and they gave Ukraine limited quantities. Even with this, Ukraine is still holding 2 years. Against a fully powered NATO, Russia will not be able to win. Especially considering it is much harder to invade than to defend usually. However, they might invade Moldova since they are not a member of NATO and quite small. To that, I am open on.

But they are irrelevant. The Palestinian authority in West Bank is what matters and they seem to be open to it. Hamas is disowned even by most Arabs. I dont know why you keep bringing them up. They suck. The end.

Germany is 10x larger than Israel yet I did not see Merkel face jail for corruption, trying to undermine democracy or fill her cabinet with right wing fanatics etc. Israel is a first world country and you claim it to be a democracy. Therefore, we hold it on same standards as we hold the US or Germany. You can make the argument about Putin since Russia is in a different level of development but what excuse you have for Israel to behave any less democratically or ethically than USAA/Germany, ESPECIALLY when it comes to internal affairs? You seem a bit biased here towards BiBI. You may find him interesting or charismatic sure, that is subjective taste. Many also find Trump entertaining to watch. But as a political he is bad for Israel. If he was good, the people would not be so mad at him, even before the attack.

Trying to destroy Israeli democracy and court independence seems very thoughtful to me...

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I am not saying that everything was perfect but I am sure Arabs treated them far better than Europeans did. Just the Holocaust is enough to differentiate the two. Now regarding Israel, the issue is I think that Israel would basically force native Palestinian Muslims to live under a Jewish state and they did not want that. Also, most importantly they did not want to give up their land to European Jew settlers. I am curious, why did not the White European Jew settlers live under Palestine and the authorities of Palestine could be a mixed government between Jews and Muslims? Similar to Lebanon which is Christian/Muslim. Or they could live as a minority group in Palestine depending on the demographics. White European Jews could come in but the native Palestinians would keep their houses and businesses. It would be similar to Syrians immigrating to Germany these last few years. Why create a totally different state?

Because they are the ones in charge and the ones making the decisions both politcally and in the military. I saw clips of Israelis against the genocide in Gaza now. They do exist and I respect them a lot. Issue is they are not in power nor can do anything. The right wing fanatics are the ones that control Israel at the moment.

Regarding loving his country: He is very corrupt, had charges against him and was risking heavy prison time prior to the attack. Also, he was trying to undermine democracy and rule and law of Israel which you call a democracy. There were massive protests against him. Also, so far far he has claimed 0 responsibility for the attack which happened under his watch. Most Israelis I see are mad about this and want him to retire when the war ends. How exactly does he "love" his country? That is like saying Trump loves the US. He is similar to Trump in terms of corruption, not taking any responsibility and undermining democracy of his country. Regarding being radical: He literally is against ANY palestinian state, always has been. He showed maps of Israel before the attack in speeches where Palestine was not even there. Not even West Bank. Also, he has made coalition with right wing fanatics and called for Amalek (call for genocide basically) before the invasion came. How exactly is he not a radical? I am shocked on how you claim to like this guy. He is as bad as Putin, relatively worse considering Russia is a lot harsher survival condition than Israel which is a first world rich country.

But why do Arabs hate Jews when they lived together for centuries at peace? When they treated Jews far better than Europeans did historically. You can say "there was oppression", and maybe there was but far less than in Europe. When you see how Europeans treated Jews it is insane. So it is not true that Arabs or Muslims are inherently anti Jewish. Israel created this hatred, therefore you need to start to think why is that the case? If Arabs were so anti semetic they would have wiped out the Jews a long time ago in Palestine. Why they want to do so now? What changed? Maybe because the way Jews in Israel acted made them anti Jewish? Start thinking about this. @Nivsch Same goes to you

In August 1944, the Poles after being tired by the German Occupation rose up in an Uprising of Militia and attacked the Germans. Months of fighting ensued where they were eventually defeated. During this fighting the Germans cut on purpose electricity and water from Warsaw, mass killed civilians as punishment and razed Warsaw to the ground. Lastly they expelled most Poles from Warsaw. When I see Israelis cutting on purpose electricy and water from Gaza, kill 25.000 civilians often on purpose and raze Gaza to the ground (like the videos sent where they blow up the university of Gaza on purpose) shows me similar tactics and level of thinking between IDF and Nazis. Lastly Israel wants to expel the Palestinians from Gaza. Tell me how exactly does Israeli see Palestinians any better than Nazis saw Poles? And killing 800 civilians does not justify this in any way. Stop using the October 7th attack as an excuse. The brutality and tactics used in the Israeli response at this point to me have reached 21st Century Nazi levels. 25.000 civilians killed in 3 months is very high for 21 century moral standards. Disclaimer: I am not saying IDF is as bad as Nazis, but the way they see Palestinians is similar to how Nazis saw Poles. As "human animals".

Well they have not even been through 1/10 of what Palestinians have been through by Israel, especially in Gaza. Russians are angels in comparison to Israel (considering the civilian death toll is 2.5 times less even though the war has been on for 20 more months and the population is 20 times larger). Therefore, of course they will be civilized and all. Also Ukranians never got their hands on Russian civilians. When they bombed a russian city recently market and killed 25 civilians I doubt people in Ukraine care. Now multiply the suffering 20x and you will see how "civilized" they would be if they got their hands on Russian civilians. Bottom line: It is not that X country has more civilized people, it is about X country has not suffered enough. All humans become savages if you treat them like one. Israelis openly want to wipe out Gaza and do genocide just because 800 of their civilians got killed. 800, imagine. Just in 2014 Israeli killed 3x the civilians in Gaza. Imagine how people in Gaza must feel. Issue here fundamentally is that Palestinians have barely hurt Israelians therefore their hatred by default will be lesser. The entitlement of Israelis is out of the world. @Lila9 @Nivsch They want to do genocide just because 800 of their civilians got killed. Meanwhile Gazans that have lost far more, should not want to do genocide? Your logic here...

We are moving from a unipolar world to a multipolar world. Considering that a monopoly tends to be corrupted due to its absolute power, maybe it can be a good thing. Just like a dictator/party is bad for a country, 1 country ruling the world could also be bad for the world. If you dislike the USA, go to China or Russia or India. Choices in time tend to reduce abuse.

They are white. Semites are not white. Therefore they do not belong there. What is a polish doing as PM of that land? No issue with Arab Jews, but Palestine belongs to Arabs (Jew or not), not to white europeans. They are clearly wrongly put there. So did Israel during Nakba. It goes both ways. Israel does it far more historically. They have common enemy that is why. No other reason. If they do not then the world will stop supporting Palestine. Give it a shot. I trust Western sources more than any Israeli source. Israeli is a propaganda machine that matches China and Russia. He tried to buy his chair as PM. Nothing else. He is corrupt as fuck. If he cared about Israel he would not try to undermine rule of law like he tried. Zionism is similar to Nazism that is why I said Hitler. I would put him at Putin level. Jews are Arab. Arab is where they lived. White pepole do not belong there. Jews lived and come from the land, no issue there. However, I am very against dumping European Jews there. If they only kept Arab Jews and made a state with them, where they had a small part (since they were minority) it would be fine (if they did not want to be on same state as the muslims for whatever reason). The European Jews could have come there after if they wanted.

Well those people are seen as thieves that stole their houses and killed them for decades. So they are not innocent in their eyes. It is like Jews getting their hands on Nazi civilians after the holocaust, they would not hold back. Even if Ukranians got their hands on Russian civilians at this point there would be atrocities even though Russia has not even done 1/10 to Ukraine what Israel has done to people in Gaza and for 35x the time lenght

Israel is not a democracy because it does not respect human rights. A democracy treats all as equal. So it is not. Also it kills far more so it gets more blame. Hamas killed 30 kids, IDF 10.000. Why should we hate on Hamas so much? 30 kids is nothing compared to 10.000. Therefore IDF is more hated. Numbers matter.

@Bobby_2021 Israeli s army is way bigger and better equipped. Also superior technology. So of course it can be done. What is the problem here?

A war crime trial similar to the Nurenberg Trials would be the best thing I think. It would show that Israel can be held accountable for its crimes, it would clean the politican landscape, giving road to perhaps more liberal politicans. It would also appease the hatred and rage that most of the world has towards Israel at the moment. From what I saw these people are bad for Israeli too, so I doubt the country will suffer if they are sent to jail. I see it as an absolute win.

That is the issue with propaganda and biases. It makes normally decent people to rationalize in their minds atrocities. Russians do the same with Ukranian suffering. However, the current Israeli high level politicians, especially some of the right wing ones like Ben Gavir and the PM himself, are not good people, they are bad people in my opinion and need to go down.