Karmadhi

The issue is that the opposite of high conscious behavior is rewarded in a guy like dominance, assertiveness, not giving a fuck etc. Meanwhile guys value looks which are not linked with low integrity, low consciousness behaviour.

Players are too rare and not good examples. The fact that females respond well to such pieces of shit is already the problem. Integrity in a guy does not get rewarded much, if females picked guys based on integrity and consciousness then all these gender stupid wars would end overnight.

I am from a second/third world country and feminism here is quite weak. Personally I like feminism in a lot of ways, however I cannot deny how much it has messed up marriages and the whole male/female dynamic. Where I live divorces are quite rare, men are masculine , women are feminine, everyone has equal rights and familes are quite healthy with no divorces to fuck up the childreen for the rest of their lives. Things just work. I see no reason why the rest of the world cannot do the same thing. I dont think a 50% divorce rate is healthy for society. Natural male/female dynamics keep everyone happy and modern feminism often is against them

Hello I had a question regarding this topic which I honestly do not understand. Why is the "boyfriend" frame as they call it, demonized so much when it comes to dating advice. I have nothing against the player frame, it can work very well and I have seen it work very well. However, I have also noticed it tends to attract specific types of girls and the results it gives are not what everyone might want. If you want to get laid a lot, player frame is great. If you go to clubs or very short term hookup environements it is also great. If you are dealing with very open minded girls which talk to a lot of guys and have sex casually, then player frame also I think is better. However, not all situations and girls are like this. I notice often with the guys in my city when they do day game for example, they loose girls sometimes because the girls wants a relationship and they are too aggressive for them. Also, some girls tend to be more relationship oriented and they are very careful whom they have sex with. For some girls sex is a lot of a bigger deal than for others. Therefore, If a guy wants to get a serious girlfriend that is not looking for anything casual, then what is wrong with the boyfriend frame? Personally, the player frame to me feels extremely unnatural and fake and I dont even care about it. I am sure this is the case for other guys in this forum also. Note, I am not saying the boyfriend frame means you have no game, just that you are looking for something more serious.

Because of the liberalization of the dating market. In the past it used to be a lot more socialist, 1 girl for 1 guy, no guy got left behind and most guys did not sleep with many girls. Now, we have situations where 1 guy can sleep with 20 girls which are all loyal to him, leaving 19 guys dry. It is basically like the typical ruthless capitalism where 1 percent of the people control half the wealth (not this bad but you get the point). This is further made worse by things like Online Dating where it is very easy for a high value guy to get laid a lot. Now you need to become a high value guy, otherwise you are fucked. No arrange marriage to save you.

You have plenty of guys with more money and status not getting the same success. Tate was able to make millions of people follow him like he is a God. The same skillset he probably used to get girls regardless of money or status. Like it or not, he is very charismatic and dominant.

1. He was COMING UP as a kickboxer most of the time. Not some super well known superstar. Also most kickboxers are not super known and popular like boxers are. 2. Pro kickboxers dont get paid that much, he has admited himself that it would not make him rich. They dont earn more than like 100k per year max. And that is at an elite level, most of the time he did not have that much or was even broke. He has said himself money is not necessary to get girls, you need to have a cool personality on top.

Saying Tate got girls because of his webcam scheme is not true. He started the webcame BECAUSE he was already good at getting girls. He said at the very beginning he took like 5 of his DIFFERENT girlfriends and gathered them and introduced the idea to them. If a guy has like 5 DIFFERENT girlfriends that are all hot, it already shows he knows what he is doing. I think Tate has natural game, he is very dominant, assertive, funny, charismatic and ruthless. Also he was a professional fighter which displays capacity for brutality, good body and 6 4. Perfect combination to attract girls, especially ones with low self esteem. He has videos where he says how he cold approaches, and did most of it at clubs and sometimes on the street. He has done pickup, it is just that he did not need to spam approach 20 girls a night and go there just for pickup because he was a natural and whole thing probably came easy to him. I know guys like that, they go to clubs for fun with their friends (not saying tate this specifically), then there they talk to couple girls casually and sometimes it works well for them. They dont need to do 10 warm ups to get state or any of that stuff. They are social and fun naturally, so couple approaches each night are enough to get results in the long run. Also pussying out to approach is more of a western thing. I am from the eastern europe and there it is super normal for guys to approach girls if they want to. They are not that scared and many do it since young (usually bullshit "hey u seem nice" from far away while chilling in a corner with their buddies) but still it shows fearlessness. Unfortunately they are usually scummy people. I dont know why most intelligent, kind, caring, consciouss guys that want a solid gf that i know, are scared shitless to approach I almost feel like there is a correlation between high conscioussness, integrity and maturity, and being scared to approach. Most guys i know that are like this had to force themselves to approach, it did not come naturally to them at ALL. Just my experience from observing people, yours might differ.

I have seen a few incel channels that tried PUA and then became Incels. What I noticed is that they tried maybe 100 approaches, it did not work out and they gave up. I took Leo 440 approaches to get his first lay, many many people would have quit, become blackpill and blame their looks or whatever at that point. Lack of perseverance is a big factor among incels. So they try pua stuff but because of their bad social skills or bad appearance they do not get laid on the first 50 approaches as youtube makes it seem and they are like "fuck this, im too ugly, girls are trash" etc and become blackpilled.

You need very specific photos for it to work, it is not a matter of how good looking you are as a matter of your specific photos, it is almost like a forumula. If you want I can tell you what it is, i have observed it from people I know that do well there. One example is a below average looking guy that got laid few times from it in couple of weeks. The rest are normal looking and they do quite good in it. Being a Chad is not necessary with the right pictures. I used to believe u had to be a chad until reality beat me under submission. A social life is important for overall happiness. But I get your point.

From what I have noticed with the guys in my city that do well in online dating and cold approach, online dating is better for getting purely laid while daygame is better for finding a girlfriend. I notice often that the players I know when they go out with girls from daygame the girl often wants something more serious, meanwhile online dating is more for hookups. I am of course generalizing here. Nightgame is not done a lot in my city so I cannot say much, however it is also more hookup oriented than daygame but less than online dating, that would be my estimation. I am unsure of it though. So depending on what you want, act accordingly.

Dude if you dont like cold approach just do online dating. It can work very well. Dont listen to the negative talk here about you having to be super handsome or any of that bullshit, almost any guy can get results from it if they take care of themselves, usually their pictures suck for it. Also you can do social circle, go to events, meetups etc. 95% of the population does not do cold approach yet they still get laid/gfs.

How is your health situation going? I remember you made 2 videos about it on your blog and then said carnivore is helping a lot. Also would you reccomend it for others? A lot of people say it increases clarity of mind.

I saw this video and I really liked it. It is a very mature, Stage Green non manipulative perspective on "Shit tests". For those who cannot see the whole video I will summarize it for you very briefly: Shit tests will not occur if you are being honest and open. Find girls that will not shit test you if you are honest and open. Go for Yes girls instead of Maybe girls that you need to play 100 games with. Yes it will probably cost you some girls when you are just open and honest but we are talking quality over quantity here. The girls you will attract will be girls right for you and the relationship will be a lot more healthy and enjoyable instead of having to fake a facade 24/7. I personally find it a lot more healthy than to do the 100 objective handling, hold frame bullshit that most PUA advice is about. It also aligns a lot more with what Leo teaches, not to manipulate others.

What did he even do to deserve that? He is one of the godfathers of daygame and has helped thousands of people even people I know. Daygame is by far the most respectful and pure form of game, no alcohol or manipulation involved, did he do some juvenille shit like Julien?

I do it because it is effective for getting you laid/find a girlfriend/improve dating skills. I just have not seen benefits outside of the domain of dating/attraction/flirtation/confidence regarding dating. That is all I am saying. So of course I will continue to do it. Maybe I am missing something higher than pickup teaches you and would like to know what that is.

It would be cool if you told us to motivate us a bit because so far all I have seen is limiting belief breaking, more confidence and better skills with girls. Most of these are girl related stuff. I already have good social skills and social intelligence so maybe that is why I have not seen as much benefit as people claim.

I wish more girls thought like you....

I think it is better if you are an introvert and not the best looking guy because daygame focuses less on looks and is better for introverts. Also no competition and girls tend to be nicer when you talk to them (at least from my experience). Just be respectful and cool about it

Also consider doing some daygame. If you are more introverted or not very good looking it works better than night game. Daygame is less looks focused and less extrovert focused than nightgame. Also no bullshit friends to cockblock you and the approach can be a lot more natural and genuine.

It is not "BS", I have seen his phone myself. Many of his matches are decent. Thing is on his pictures he looks good, around a 6.5. Tinder is not as competitive as you make it if you pay for it. Issue is most profiles never get shown to girls.

Hey I wanted to make a thread because I have noticed in the gamer group in my city that a lot of the guys have a lot more results from Tinder than cold approach. Even the ones that are good tend to get a lot of their dates from Tinder because it is a lot more convenient for them. Cold approach: You need to do a few hundred approaches to get some decent skill, very emotional difficult and takes a lot lot of time. Tinder: You have to put some work up front with taking good pictures but then it is like passive income and you just need some decent text scripts which you can buy cheaply these days. Are there any benefits to doing cold approach compared to Tinder? Especially result and quantitiy wise? Maybe you can get a hotter girl from Cold approach if your skills are good but to put hundreds of hours of direct work rather than some basic work when you re taking a shit or going to work, it seems way more efficient to me. It has made me loose a bit of motivation to do cold approach, are there any benefits to it over Tinder which would make worth the insane time and work it takes? Result wise at least. PS: Someone will probably say here that you need to be good looking or something for Tinder to work well and I think that is a bullshit myth which is not true. You need to look good on your PICTURES, very different thing. Most of the guys I know that do good on Tinder are normal looking (not ugly though) and they do very well (at least 1 date per week from it). These same guys used to do horribly on Tinder but once they upgrated to Platnum and got better pro pics their results skyrocketed.

A guy I know in real life has around Owen level SMV and gets 10 matches per day from Tinder and 1-2 dates per week easily and some of those girls are quite cute. I have seen his Tinder profile when I have met him in person. How do you explain this? This SAME guy used to get almost no matches before he changed his pictures which were already professional pictures, they were just not good enough. He also told me paying for Tinder is essential otherwise you ll get nothing.

I used them as example because it is an online source easy to see. It is not these videos that made me change my opinion but that of the people I know in real life. I guess our real life personal experience differs because I have seen normal looking guys do well on Tinder so that is my bias.

Have you used this type of quality pics when you tried Tinder? The whole point of this video is that you can manipulate your looks to look way better than in real life. Girls have been doing it for ages. But tbh I dont think you need online game because you already have decent game and high standards for looks in girls. I didnt say what I said about you. I said it to guys that are just starting out and dont have 5000 approaches so they can use online dating as a supplement to get dating and texting experience and dont have high standards for looks in girls.