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And Judaism claims non Jews are inherently lesser than Gentiles, it is inherent in the religion too. Islam is more developed than classic Judaism. Mostly because it came later and built up on previous religions. Judaism was the first and therefore the least developed. I am not shitting on it per say since most people do not practice it but I find it extremely dangerous, compared to the other 2. The reason people find it "ok" is because so few actually practice it hardcore compared to other religions. And I am personally none of them.

Yes that is sad. Many Jews around the world are being victim to it for no reason. Issue is Israel and their horrible policies not Jews living outside Israel. To show you how wrong Israel is here, many many Jews that live outside Israel have openly protested about the war. Well you also ignore the basics that lead people to have such views. Arabs did not worthship Hitler before Israeli terrible policies. Jews and Arabs lived at peace for centuries. There was none of this hate. Their hate came from a source. The source are those policies. The hate will not disappear until the policies change. Start talking some responsability.

The average moderate Israeli yes. The hardcore Orthodox Jews are not.

Dont confuse application from the manual. I am talking about what the holy book says for each of them. I am not saying that in real life Islam never harms civilians or Christianity treats all the same. In Judaism it is clearly written that Jews are more important than Gentiles, in Christianity are the same in front of God. That is what I meant. Sorry if it came wrong. There have been polls where most Israelis said "not enough force has been used on Gaza". So dropping 3 Hiroshimas worth of TNT in a small dense area is not enough. There are Israelis trying to block humanitarian aid to enter Gaza. It is sick.

It baffles me how Israel has completly lost all reason and morality just from loosing 800 civilians. Countries in history lost so much more and kept their cool. Ukraine has lost 10.000 at least and still is not as genocidal as "civilized" Israel. Insane country.

@zazen The issue with Zionism is that it glorifies hardcore Judaism which is a toxic genocidal racist ideology. No issue with moderate Jews but Judaism unlike Christiniaty and Islam is fundamentally racist and genocidal. Since it was the first religion, it is the least developed and Christinity and Islam which came after corrected a lot of its flaws. For example Christianity says "All are equal before God", in Judaism basically Jews are superior and the rest should serve them (Racism). In Islam it is not allowed to kill women and childreen, in Judaism genocide is embraced when it comes to protecting Jews (Seed of Amalek). This is the issue with Zionism, it builds on this ideology/religion which can cause atrocities and apartheid (like it is happening currently). Note: No issues with moderate Jews. I think most Israelis are secular Jews, here I am talking about hardcore religious people. This information I got from recently reading Yuvan noah harari s work.

Issue is that this devilry in Israel does not go punished. A civilized country would punish and make an example out of this. In Israel it does not happen. Hard for it to be punished when half the government are right wing fascists'. Moderate Israelis like yourself cannot do anything, Ben Gvir can. That is the issue. Also I can make the same argument that within 2.2 million Gazans there are couple thousands which are radical savages that kill people and torture them. Yet Palestinians are all called terrorists now.

There is a photo circulating online that has been called "deeply disturbing" by USA of a totally naked Palestinian guy tied to a chair and a IDF soldier is standing in front of him holding a spear (from what I could see). He has a wound on his leg (evidence of torture). Can you explain to me how this is justifiable? EVEN if he is Hamas staff this is totally barbaric and inhumane. Civilized world does not torture POWs and proudly take pictures of it and broadcast it to the world. And we do not even know if he is Hamas. Under all international laws not only torture of POWs is illegal but proudly broadcasting it to the world shows that IDF is not much different from Hamas at this point. Hamas also tortured people and then broadcasted it proudly. And this is 1 case that was actually published. Imagine the dozens and dozens of non published ones. Just see it for yourself, it is really distrubing. I remember leo said once that torture shows the level of development of a country. Highly developed countries do not torture people. Apparently Israel is not much better than Russia at this point. They even proudly show it. Baffling.

Not justify, you seem not to be able to read. I said it was bad. But what Israel has done and is doing is far worse. What is interesting is that Israel has historically killed far more Palestinians than Palestinians have killed Israelis. Yet Palestinians are supposed to be chill with it. But when Palestinians inflict 1/10 of that back to Israelis, they are ok with ethnic cleansing and genociding them. This alone shows how egotistical they truly are. In 2014 alone Israel killed far more Gazans than Hamas ever did. Why do you ignore this?

Well Germany apologized about it many times and did their best to change their ways. Israel not only does not apologize but they elect right wing zionist fascists and double down on their atrocities. No peace will be possible until Israel recognizes decades of oppression. First step toward peace is apology.

Their illegal land theft is part of the policies... It does not matter. When you murder and kick people out of their house they will hate you. It does not matter that there is a big arab dessert next to it. It baffles me how inhumane you Israelis are...

Israel also is playing the victim when the land it illegally stole gets invaded. The victimhood of Israelis is out of this world. I will say it again. Unless Israel admits its horrible decade long policies led to Palestinians hating them that much, they will forever be criticized and ridiculed by most of the world. First step towards fixing a problem is realizing there is one. Israeli policies are the core problem here. Blaming Hamas is just a scapegoat. Those same policies will create another Hamas down the line and peace will never happen. Why is it this hard to understand this? Honestly

Like Israelis don't do that. They also celebrate Gaza butchers. One of their elected ministers had a portrait in his house of a mass murderer and was a convicted terrorist. So Israelis are not above this either. How will you justify this? Where is your criticism of Israel here? They lost 800 civilians and now cheer kids dying in Gaza. Meanwhile Palestinians have suffered far far far more than Israelis have and they are supposed to be chill about it? Be realistic. I even seen Ukranians cheer when Ukraine bombed Russian civilians 1 month ago. Many Ukranians i see in comment want to see Russia cities turned to ash. When you suffer unjustly you loose humanity. It is not a matter of culture. I think you underestimate the amount of suffering Palestinians have collectively suffered from Israelis that is why you speak like this. Educate yourself about it. Hamas attack is a drop in the ocean in comparison. It is not that Palestine as a culture is as under developed as you make it. Israeli atrocities are far worse in scale and length. This has been going on for decades. Ignoring this makes you not see the full picture. Fair. Why are they doing it? I like to believe they geniounly see NATO as a threat and want to protect their country's interest. However, I am just speculating. Your opinion on it would be welcomed. It is more subtle and clever. More manipulative. Not pure horseshit. But still pure devilry. I think that is bs propaganda from Russia, Ukranians are clearly not "Nazis"; but from what I saw their current government is quite anti Russian. I think Putin wanted to change that government with a pro Russian one, not annex the country like people claim. Basically he wanted to make Ukraine another Georgia or Belarus. Basically if you are next to Russia you have to be Russia's lap dog when it comes to foreign policy. But you can keep your internal sovereignty. Issue is that America does the same, so it is hard for me to criticize much Russia about it. I mean they did a long embargo on Cuba and even tried invading it when Cuba was anti US country. If Mexico would become pro Russia, like Ukraine became pro Western, I think USA would also invade them or cause a coup and put a new pro US regime there. What do you think?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/ No Hamas there either. When will you guys realize Israel brutality is not due to "Hamas".

20.000 of them were killed in massacres and hundreds of villages burned down. They were kicked out and killed. Watch some interviews with actual soldiers at the time before spinning out propaganda. Saying they simply "fled" ignores Israeli ruthless war crimes and ethnic cleansing. Ironically Hamas attacked the same villages (land wise) that Israel burned down during the Nakba and then later established their own kibutzes. These things do not happen randomly. I find it weird that you are against Russia taking Ukranian land that does not belong to Russia but find it ok when Israel takes Palestinian land that does not belong to them by doing ethnic cleansing. Double standards much. And I am not talking about politics and "soverign country" stuff. I am talking about kicking out people that lived in X place since forever. I read some of your posts and you seem to have a somewhat racist attitude toward Palestinians. You do not seem them as equal to Israelis fundamentally. Dont you think most Palestinians are decent normal people like most people in the world are? Personally I do not see much difference between most Palestinians and Israelis on a fundamental level.

I saw some of your first comments and you seem bias on the Israeli position so I doubt you are above this. You are quick to criticize Hamas devilry but you do not criticize Israel devilry much. Ignoring that decade long Israeli policies that went against International laws are the main reason Hamas is in power and the attack happened. Unless you are willing to admit this much, you cannot call yourself truly objective.

On Israel (actualized.org) A video Leo posted on the blog about this conflict

West situation is interesting. They are basically slowly evolving to Green and going towards Green creates loss of some elements which can be seen as very important to Orange and especially Blue. Loss of ethnic dominance from immigration, loss of religion (Rise of atheism), loss of family unit and the whole LGBT stuff screams anti Blue. So for Blue people West is going to shit. However, it also removes some of the healthy factors of blue like low divorce rate, high birth rates (young people are needed to work) and also the whole green environment thing can damage the economic growth. So basically the West is loosing some of the benefits Blue gave it in exchange of Green benefits (more tolerance, more liberal, less inequality in economy and especially more care towards minorities). We are fortunate to live in a very interesting moment in history. The clash between blue and orange versus green. I think all these wars, both internal cultural wars within countries and wars between countries are fundamentally linked with this. For example Iran involvement is blue trying to spread its influence, same with Russia war in Ukraine. All the wars USA does in the Middle East is orange trying to maximize economic interests. Also the Israeli current atrocities are fundamentally Blue based (their cabinet is mostly blue at the moment) against a very ruthelss Red Hamas.

I mean you have different types of "East". In countries like Japan, South Korea and to some extent India you have relative freedom and stuff. But the "East" which @Heaven said like Russia, China, Iran, North Korea you are more restricted. Also restriction is not the same. So North Korea is MUCH MUCH more restrictive than Russia for example. Russia is not that bad if you do not talk against Putin from what I have been told from people living there. Meanwhile North Korea you go to a concentration camp for 3 generations about the most mundane things. Iran is also super restrictive. So it depends. But overall I would say West is more free. Also economy is a huge factor here. Western countries are far wealthier. @Heaven Firstly I am sorry to hear about your loss and your situation. I was not aware of it. If you would like to comment on my answer to your question I would love to hear your ouput.

Sure, I will do my best. First, you need to disginguish between Internal and Foreign Policy. Internal policy is basically how you treat your own citizens, so people that live in your country. This also includes minorities and even migrants. When it comes to internal policy, Western countries are far better than countries like China, Russia, North Korea and Iran. There is no comparison. Which is why most people want to live in the West (on top of having good economies of course). A gray area would be the rich gulf countries which lack freedom but are rich. Plenty of people go to live there too. But overall, we can agree that Western countries tend to have superior internal policies and treatment of their own citizens and residents (non citizens than live there). However, there is also foreign policy. Foreign policy is basically how you treat other countries and how you relate to them. When it comes to foreign policy, this is where Myself and many liberals start to have major issues with Western countries. This is because in the last 3 decades or so, most wars have been started by Western countries to advance Western interests. This is mostly USA but also France in the case with Libya (Sarkozi had illegal funding from Gaddafi). So, as pro peace people as liberals are, imagine seeing most of the wars started in the world being started by your beloved Western countries. As corrupt as North Korea is, they never invaded anyone. China has not invaded other countries either. Neither has Iran. Russia would be the exception and it is only Ukraine and Syrian involvement. Meanwhile look at USA track record for example: Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria involvement, Funding Israeli without any care about their war crimes and also being involved in regime topplins all over the world. As I wrote in an above post, regime toplins often make the country worse since dictators are there for a reason. They maintain order amongst a split society, without them you have anarchy or terrorism. So now, since liberals we like peace, we are totally disgusted by this war mongering foreign policy, want it to stop and criticize the West 24/7. Western hypocrisy and double standars are also a major issue for us liberals that live in the West. i have talked with countless friends of mine from the West (Western Europeans) and they are all disgusted by the double standards. A prime example is when Putin denies water, electricity, fuel of Ukranians in Mauripol it is a horrible war crime and totally unacceptable (as it should be). However, when Israel does it in Gaza (a city with 6x the population of Mauripol and far far far more childreen), then nobody says anything. The only time the EU criticized a hospital strike in the war was when Israel denied doing it and it was unclear who did it. I am talking about the one where 300 to 500 died and everyone pointed fingers at each other. Meanwhile when Israel blows up 100 civilians to kill 1 Hamas in a refugee camp, nobody says anything. But when Putin bombes and kills 10 civilians in Ukraine, it is a war crime and Putin is the anti christ. So it is not that we do not find Western values good, or not like to live in the West. It is not a value issue. It is the war mongering and highly intrusive foreign policy that we are so critical about. You will never see people shitting on countries like Norway or Denmark for example. Because their foreign policy minds their own business and they tend to be quite objective actors. Norway for example has been super harsh about Israeli war crimes in Gaza. UK/France not much, USA not at all. And lastly, since you seem to be from Israel, as democratic as Israel may be, the way they treat Palestinians in the West Bank is anything but that. Random police raids without warrants at 2am terrorizing families, total surveillance, illegal settlements, countless highly unecessary shootings of people with snipers, arresting kids for throwing rocks and putting them in cages (yes I have an article about this) etc. Personally I would rather live in Russia or China 100 times over living as a Palestinian in the West Bank (where there is no Hamas in power btw), treatment created by Israel. There is no denying that Israeli itself is a pretty good place to live and treats Arabs there relatively well. Some call it apartheid but I am not informed enough to say that. I saw a very disturbing article where basically Israel illegally gave stuff to Ethiopian Jews not to reproduce anymore which is clear racism. So, there might be certain racist elements in Israel but I do not know. However, their foreign policy, so the way they treat Palestinians in the West Bank and Lebanon provocations are quite problematic.

Neither does the current right wing Zionist regime of Israel unfortunately. So it goes both ways

I did the "hard work" of admitting parts of Gazans support Hamas. Meanwhile you clearly are refusing to do any "hard work" to admit that Israeli policies are also responsible for this whole mess we are in at the moment. Leo and countless others here have pointed to that. Pro Israelis just blame anyone else but themselves. Yes they need their own state just like Israeli does. Why Israel should have a state and Palestine not? Your bias is immense...

@LSD-Rumi But the root of the issue in my opinion is the absolutely criminal way the whole region was split by France and UK, creating "countries" with a bunch of groups that hated each-other. Then dictators are basically force to rise to maintain order. Iraq and Libya are prime examples of this. Iraq is not a nation its 3 different groups forced together into 1 country. And often the groups do not even like each other. To have a democracy and healthy country, you first need a nation. Those countries are not nations. Hence dictatorships are the only solution from total chaos and anarchy and civil war. Re-read this because it clearly flew over your head. Blaming Iran is a easy scapegoat, how exactly is Iran s fault that Libya or Syria is a mess?

USA I think is even more responsible. They basically created and funded the Talibans, creating the whole Afghani mess. They helped the rebels in Syria, creating another mess there. They invaded Iraq which lead to ISIS alongside other issues. They attacked Libya, and now the country is a mess. Lastly, they influenced the Arab Spring causing countries like Egypt and Tunisia to basically stagnate. They fund Israel even when they do genocide, creating issues with Lebanon, Palestine, Yemen etc. They support Saudi Arabia and are influenced with Yemeni war. Now tell me, who caused more issues here? But the root of the issue in my opinion is the absolutely criminal way the whole region was split by France and UK, creating "countries" with a bunch of groups that hated each-other. Then dictators are basically force to rise to maintain order. Iraq and Libya are prime examples of this. Iraq is not a nation its 3 different groups forced together into 1 country. And often the groups do not even like each other. To have a democracy and healthy country, you first need a nation. Those countries are not nations. Hence dictatorships are the only solution from total chaos and anarchy and civil war. UK/France and later US are the fundamental reason why the whole area is a total mess. I am not saying Iran is not responsible for any bullshit there, they clearly are. But relative to the other 3, they caused far less issues historically. Finally, please stop using the word "evil" for countries.

I have the same thought, it is like an archipelago. Ideally they should be returned to Palestine and make a long continuous line. I mean they are illegal from what I could understand so why keep them?