PurpleTree

Went to a Buddhist meditation group once. I was looking for a group which could hold me accountable for doing some kind of meditation practice, because i'll easily just stop doing it. There were only "westerners" in that group. This was a group which has some kind of Tibetan tradition practice. So they did all those Tibetan chants and imagined those Tibetan holy monks made out of light etc. I thought "Dude we're "westerners" why exactly are we doing this? Not out of arrogance against Tibet (free Tibet) or their tradition or anything but what's the use of us doing this? We don't even really understand Tibetan and didn't grow up with such a tradition. I think i was looking for something similar to what Tolle/Sadhguru/Spira/Mooji are doing which is my fault, because that was a totally different thing. And i don't think we really have such a Satsang type thing here like those fellas tend to do without all that religious and in this case particularly Tibetan stuff attached to it. The people in this group were nice and i understand the value of coming together and chanting. But this wasn't it for me, there was no search for truth imo. I thought if i really want to have the practice or group i'm "imagining" then i'd almost need to create my own group or cult. Luckily i'm don't have the right work ethic and i'm not confident enough for that

Or is someone who's enlightened someone who stopped seeking , because he found it? Or could someone be enlightened and sometimes seek/contemplate/introspect but most of the time not seek?

I really barely know anything about it but my take is that the Soviet Union kind of was the enemy of the west/capitalism/the US So these people kind of think "look what capitalism has done, better to like it's enemy" Personally i haven't seen many which idolise Stalin and Lenin But i've seen many who idolise Che Guevara and Marx Also communism makes sense in some way, living in a commune and sharing our food? sounds pretty nice Gulags? wtffff

There's actually another quote in that lovely book which speaks about exactly that (Here Siddhartha is speaking to the "real" Buddha) "I wish that you, oh exalted one, would not be angry with me," said the young man. "I have not spoken to you like this to argue with you, to argue about words. You are truly right, there is little to opinions. But let me say this one more thing: I have not doubted in you for a single moment. I have not doubted for a single moment that you are Buddha, that you have reached the goal, the highest goal towards which so many thousands of Brahmans and sons of Brahmans are on their way. You have found salvation from death. It has come to you in the course of your own search, on your own path, through thoughts, through meditation, through realizations, through enlightenment. It has not come to you by means of teachings! And—thus is my thought, oh exalted one,—nobody will obtain salvation by means of teachings! You will not be able to convey and say to anybody, oh venerable one, in words and through teachings what has happened to you in the hour of enlightenment! The teachings of the enlightened Buddha contain much, it teaches many to live righteously, to avoid evil. But there is one thing which these so clear, these so venerable teachings do not contain: they do not contain the mystery of what the exalted one has experienced for himself, he alone among hundreds of thousands. This is what I have thought and realized, when I have heard the teachings. This is why I am continuing my travels—not to seek other, better teachings, for I know there are none, but to depart from all teachings and all teachers and to reach my goal by myself or to die. But often, I'll think of this day, oh exalted one, and of this hour, when my eyes beheld a holy man."

It's actually not "the" Buddha (well all is one anyway) But it's a novel named Siddhartha by Swiss/German author Hermann Hesse from 1922 About someone named Siddhartha, Buddha also has a small role in the novel though I've had some deep "glimpses" of that, not enough probably so it's not really my reality as of yet and just parrotting it wouldn't feel real

A quote from a nice book which made me think of this in the first place. "He came to the river and asked the old man to ferry him over, and when they got off the boat on the other side, he said to the old man: "You're very good to us monks and pilgrims, you have already ferried many of us across the river. Aren't you too, ferryman, a searcher for the right path?" Quoth Siddhartha, smiling from his old eyes: "Do you call yourself a searcher, oh venerable one, though you are already of an old in years and are wearing the robe of Gotama's monks?" "It's true, I'm old," spoke Govinda, "but I haven't stopped searching. Never I'll stop searching, this seems to be my destiny. You too, so it seems to me, have been searching. Would you like to tell me something, oh honourable one?" Quoth Siddhartha: "What should I possibly have to tell you, oh venerable one? Perhaps that you're searching far too much? That in all that searching, you don't find the time for finding?" "How come?" asked Govinda. "When someone is searching," said Siddhartha, "then it might easily happen that the only thing his eyes still see is that what he searches for, that he is unable to find anything, to let anything enter his mind, because he always thinks of nothing but the object of his search, because he has a goal, because he is obsessed by the goal. Searching means: having a goal. But finding means: being free, being open, having no goal. You, oh venerable one, are perhaps indeed a searcher, because, striving for your goal, there are many things you don't see, which are directly in front of your eyes." "I don't quite understand yet," asked Govinda, "what do you mean by this?" etc. "

Had a dream about not being able to go to a certain school (because of money etc.) and then it happened i wasn't blown away when it did happen because it was a real possibility but i had the worst feeling after waking up from that dream

Because i met a guy i know a few hours ago in the neighbourhood who told me that and some other stuff. He's basically known to be a little nuts sometimes though so i wasn't even surprised, still a nice guy. Costa Rica must be niice though

good luck pal

Is this enlightenment thing not working out for ya? getting frustrated? sorry to hear that pal maybe don't enter the topic if you don't want to waste our time with childish arguments, thanks buddy pal

I'm not enlightened, i'm just asking questions, you seem agitated calling people FOOLs in all caps etc.

if you always see yourself as seeker can you ever truly become a "finder"

you said the magic word please so i'm considering it.

Leo seems like a seeker from the videos i've seen thus far. (maybe he already became a "finder" though) He digests so much information (spiral dynamics etc.) and tries a lot of stuff, experiments on himself/consciousness etc. People like Tolle, Spira, Moji, Sadhguru seem not really interested in those things, they're also much older of course. Who knows what they've done when they were young. Is having a spiritual practice not seeking you asked? Depends maybe if you just enjoy sitting in stillness so much for the fuck of it then it's not necessarily for seeking purposes.

Ok in your case, can somebody who's awakened still be a seeker or is there no real need for seeking after waking up. So you're saying someone who's awakened can't really be a seeker because there's nothing to seek

alright , it confused me because you said it's such a selfish thing which is generally seen a something "bad" especially in a topic about world hunger

I made this topic because people like Tolle, Spira, Mooji, Buddha? etc. don't seem like seekers at all. They seem much less interested in seeking and learning and more in teaching what they found but i'm not sure

so making money is a bad thing and people should feel guilty for it?

do they also believe that trump is sent by "god" or whatever to clean up the mess and corruption?

I didn't think about any of that with the meditation group i visited. But i also wouldn't because these people seemed to be kind of set in their ways. Maybe if there was a question part, where people could have asked questions. I would have asked some deeper and "weird" questions

So you watched Leos videos and then you thought you should teach those guys some deeper thruths and they weren't happy about it? That's pretty funny you could have ended up like some modern Jesus

what's the difference? i'm not sure i understand your wording

Leo

how about attachment ?

That's what made me think of this topic @No Self