Moksha

Any peak state is inevitably going to be followed by a valley state. It goes with dualing the cosmos. Sink into absolute silence, which is beyond any transient state. It doesn't mean you can't celebrate life in the process. To the contrary, it liberates you from the party downer of yourself.

I awoke without psychedelics, not because I am superior or inferior, but because the absolute chose this as the inner pilgrimage to itself within this form. People awaken in many ways, and just because psychedelics has helped you doesn't mean it is the universal or preferable path for everyone else.

@StillnessSpeaks There's an inverse correlation between identity and freedom. The more boundaries the mind creates between you and others, the stronger the bars become on your self-made prison. Freedom is letting go of identity and boundaries, which is absolute love. @BlueOak Yes, the essence of every person, every animal, every plant, and every other form is absolutely the same. Realizing the seamlessness of reality dissolves every identity. For most of us, this isn't a one-time realization, but an ever-deepening release of the false idea of separation and resonating with the absolute within, between, and beyond forms.

How you get here doesn't matter, just stay here if you can. An entire lifetime of profound insights won't keep the gate to the Absolute open until you are truly ready to pay the price of ego death. Few are willing to let go of their desires and fears to that depth.

@BlueOak No, people don't experience this daily. The vast majority are oblivious to their absolute nature. Many have thoughts about it, but few directly realize it. When they do, it dissolves identity.

See my earlier post to @Breakingthewall in this thread. Pain is endemic to living, suffering is not.

@BlueOak What do you see as the difference between losing yourself within an identity and remaining lucid while performing whatever tasks are required (stacking shelves, writing books, riding the bus, etc.)? The absolute lucidly experiencing life through a form is like sprinkling salt on an otherwise bland plate of food. It enhances the quality of every phenomenal experience, even stacking shelves. Have you experienced this yet? If not, try being lucid during any task that you would otherwise consider to be mundane. Instead of letting your mind wander, or being bored, or wishing you were anywhere but here, unconditionally allow whatever is happening and notice the energy of it flowing through you. Instead of judging the moment, embrace it as the reality which the cosmos (which is also you) is presenting here and now. Everything resonates when there is no resistance. Why? Awareness magnifies whatever it focuses on. If it is entangled in phenomena, it believes itself to be a prisoner of its circumstances. If it is Self-aware and flows freely through the form, it enlightens every experience. This joy becomes deeper the more free the absolute realizes itself to be, like a river bursting through a log jam until every blockage is cleared.

Do you feel it is possible to perform a role well (Boss, Bus Driver, Friend) without identifying with it? What if no matter what activities you are doing, rather than losing yourself in the experience, you remain centered in your absolute nature? Can lucidity enhance the quality of what you do, by allowing the expression of freedom, creativity, and intelligence through your form?

Not all identifications are equally damning. You need a little identity to remain within the dream, just much less than most people realize.

That's true for most decisions in relative reality, which relies on the illusion of memories and anticipations. There is also the absolute flow state, which can inform decisions in the moment beyond the belief in a past or a future. It happens sometimes, even for people that are not awake in general.

Required by whom? You can still be lucid while doing whatever is required. Masks are false identification, always. The finest performance on the cosmic stage requires no mask, no props, and no audience.

@OldManCorcoran Instead of relying on the memory of an insight, why not realize the absolute now? In the moment that you unconditionally accept what is happening, without judgment, clinging, or resistance, simply letting the energy of this flow through you, you are free.

Next to telecommuting, getting a home gym was the best silver lining of Covid.

Awakening helps with that too Identifying with phenomena is the human condition, and most people are insane without realizing it.

I understand seeing yourself in every phenomenon. What I'm wondering is whether people on psychedelics directly realize the absolute, in utter silence, entirely free from phenomena. Can they simply be without the compulsion to try on another mask, or without commenting on the amazingness of their experience? I've only seen a video of one person on psychedelics, and they weren't silent, but that doesn't mean this doesn't happen. If realization does happen directly, I see no reason why psychedelics can't also be a gateway to the absolute like other practices. The secret is not seeing, but learning to keep the gate open without requiring external supports. Eventually, every method (psychedelics, meditation, whatever) must be released back into the river once you get to the other side. It's all about integrity.

I read an abstract yesterday from a study on perpetual psychedelics. Classic Matrix. You can chain your arm to a needle and live in apparent nirvana your entire life, but how is that freedom? Why not surrender to experiencing the cosmos unconditionally? You get lucidity with the freedom to fully enjoy the dream.

Have you ever read "Man's Search for Meaning"? It's amazing how free a person can be, even within the most convincing cage.

@at_anchor What about the price of letting go of the belief that anything outside of you can fulfill you? Are you willing to surrender the illusion that a new car, or your next job, or finding your true love will bring anything beyond transient pleasure?

You don't awaken through effort alone. You can spend your entire life on psychedelics or meditation retreats and remain as conditioned by the cosmos as when you first began. Awakening requires realizing the root cause of your suffering. You have to see at the deepest level that external supports always fail. There is nothing outside of yourself that can fulfill you. If the realizing is true, the absolute no longer chases external fulfillment. It lets go of the illusion of false identification, and directly sees that it not only fills this form, but overflows within and beyond all forms.

What price are you willing to pay?

All of these questions are natural, but irrelevant. The person that doesn't want to die is inevitably transient. It cannot live forever, regardless of how many incarnations or ongoing relationships it desires. The absolute within the person, which gives it life and is its essence, is intransient. It has no beginning and no ending. It experiences the cosmos through limitless forms, which are precious because of the transient experiences they enable, but it is within and beyond all forms.

Also true for desire. But the attachment to fear and desire necessary to continue dreaming is far more tenuous that most people realize.

@Breakingthewall Suffering isn't a universal solvent. There is no value in suffering for the sake of suffering. If you are sincere, you see the suffering as an opportunity to go deeper. If you let it, suffering will teach you its cause and the secret to dissolving it. It is the result of resisting what is, so let go and stop resisting. People confuse pain with suffering. They aren't the same. Pain is the inevitable cost of experiencing life through a human form with a nervous system and relationships with apparent others. It can be softened by the absolute, but not entirely ignored if the absolute wants to continue experiencing the cosmos through the form. Pain is the price of dreaming. Suffering is the price of losing yourself within the dream.

Even the seer and the seen are part of the dream. The witness and the witnessed dissolve into the absolute. I asked a while back whether people on 5-Me0 have ever directly realized silence. Is the trip always seeing or creating something, or does the mind entirely stop as the absolute realizes itself free from perceptions, sensations, thoughts, feelings, and experiences? Even the sense of awe, power, and knowledge is a trick of the ego. It is not directly being the absolute.

You're right. Enlightening doesn't stop you from being human. It is the deepening realization of the absolute brilliance within, which was never human to begin with. Nothing is transcended, beyond the illusion that there is anything to transcend. If the absolute remains in this realization within the dream, there is no suffering. How could there be? Nothing is resisted, because every experience is chosen. What used to be identified as you becomes a beloved portal through which the absolute explores its cosmos, without being lost within it. It is free to do so lucidly, because it is unbound by desires and fears. It is the highest adventure before returning to the silent state of itself.