Moksha

True, but it is THIS sleeping, and not the rest of THIS that is awake

Love has been a natural process, unfolding with the realization of Consciousness. I spent a lot of years trapped in the suffering of my mind, and unable to unconditionally love myself or others. As the suffering has receded, love has taken its place. If you want to love, learn to suffer less.

Nice Those occasional glimpses have served you well. Vigilant, one-pointed attention, and the ensuing dissolution of the self, is a gift. Consciousness is always offering it, but the gift can only be received with open hands.

Yep, just a finger pointing with unconditional love at the ?

THIS is only seen with spiritual eyes. Conceptualizing THIS is not realizing THIS. If you don't directly know THIS as unconditional love, your eyes are still closed.

Free will, as a concept, is a trap. For unawakened people, the idea of free will makes them think they can "pursue enlightenment", when the truth is that enlightenment pursues them. For awakened people, the idea of free will is also a trap, because it ties them to the person. They are no more free to choose than unawakened people. The only freedom is Consciousness itself, manifesting through its creations. We can't take credit for anything. Whatever it is that makes us choose what we choose, it is because we were created to make that choice. How could it be otherwise?

Every teaching has the potential to be treacherous, if people mistake it for the truth itself. To his credit, the Buddha warned people about this, and differentiated the pointing finger from the moon. At least he pointed, instead of pretending the moon didn't exist.

The Buddha was a liar only in the necessary way. How else could he enrobe himself with personality, and return to tell his followers what he saw? Even the pointing to pure source is a lie. He was the best liar one could possibly be.

@Adamq8 @Nahm @James123 ??

Thankful today for this place and each of you. A menagerie of monkeys, crocodiles, dragonflies, elephants, flamingos, eagles, kittens, wasps, hyenas, and jellyfish. I love the diversity and the sameness of you ?

@Adamq8 @Nahm No-thing traps the Nahmopus. ?

@SoonHei ? this. As I see it, we attend. Whatever we attend, we amplify, in ourselves, and in others. This is the illusion of separation, of motion, and of creation. We are all the same it, attending internally or externally, realizing and manifesting itself infinitely.

@Forestluv Consciousness loves nothing more than an eager learner, brimming with alacrity, and ready to receive all that is offered.

We create our own reality, see it, and invoke it, in others.

Yes, very possibly I am just pointing beyond the no-one Consciousness outside of us (which is what solipsists see), and underscoring the every-one Consciousness imbuing each of us (which is what idealists see).

I am saying there is no-one outside of me, experiencing itself through infinite expressions of me.

I agree. My sense is that ultimately science and spirituality will realize. Probably not in this lifetime, but the particle acceleration is increasing, and I will be here when they ultimately collide. What a fucking fireworks display that will be. ?

Destruction is the necessary path to realization. The star has to fall before it dawns. Meanwhile, stargazers can honor the journey, while experiencing the dawning of themselves. I do get what you are saying, and I qualify this with the caveat that torrential destruction is beyond the scope of a forum like this. What I saw so far didn't strike me as torrential, but it is not my call to make.

Black holes are a portal to the whole

Unless Consciousness, mysteriously, is actually infusing itself into every form it creates. Which it is

My sense is toward inclusion, even disruptive inclusion. There are rare outliers, but unless there is perpetual, deep disruption, I say let them stay. The disruptor is experiencing the results of his disruption. That itself can be educational, with enough accumulation. The ego tends to suffocate itself, given enough expression. The disruption is a gift to us, too. It is a foil, or a mirror, for our own spiritual development. It is easy to love people with little ego. Growth needs resistance; let this be a spiritual gym for building muscle. ?

This is true. Also, it is inevitable. The world of form demands duality. There is a necessary polarity in all things. It is not like God can choose only love, beauty, and order in the world of form. There must also be hatred, ugliness, and chaos. Each necessitates the other. Even at the polarities, God still infuses everything. The joining of nonduality with duality collapses into the incomprehensible reality that is God.

You can see it, with spiritual eyes. The dream senses recede, loosening perceived cohesion of the energies defining each entity, and you realize the lively spiritual energy connecting everything.

This is a key insight from Elan, that I have been trying to communicate, with less eloquence than him. Some of us here have realized who they are not, but have not yet realized who they are. They realize unmanifested Consciousness, but have not yet realized the joining of unmanifested Consciousness with manifested Consciousness. The individual is the paradoxical point where the transcendent and relative dimensions intersect. It is Brahman embracing Atman, within the world of form. Perfectly not understandable. It is a trap of the mind. Don't fall for it. This is precisely the Mystery of God that the Tao Te Ching warns us about. How can timeless, infinite, reality intersect with time, space, and illusion, without losing integrity? How can enlightenment be a process, constrained by sequence, if Consciousness is inherently unconstrained and beyond time? This is why it can only be directly realized. There is no name, concept, math, logic, or philosophy capable of capturing it. Art, music, poetry, nature, and inner exploration are better pointers, but even they can only point. The cosmos is not only an illusion. It is the holy joining of illusion with reality. Consciousness, as nothing, infuses itself into everything. Nihilism and solipsism only see part of the face of Consciousness. They are missing the most beautiful part, which is the spiritual communion of Consciousness, connecting all of us and all things.

That helps, thank you @Haumea2018. My sense is that personalities can be somewhat fluid across categories, depending on circumstances and the individual, but the underlying processes are helpful for introspection.