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That argument seems to be just an argument for reality, not God. No disrespect, arguing for God is hard. I think a stronger argument would explain why divine attributes such as infinite consciousness, love, intelligence, etc are necessarily part of God. With that you'd be arguing for God, not simply reality.

God I'd love to know. I really thought going on a meditation retreat and working my ass off 10 hours a day would take away the urge to smoke weed. Was not the case. But I did have a heart opening which was nice.

My friend was saying the other day that Hitler was actually pretty progressive besides, you know, that one thing .

@Emerald I feel like you're right But a man can't go too far in the feminine direction either. His femininity needs to be grounded in masculinity . I think spiral dynamics stage green without orange or yellow creates unattractive men. Also stage red can manifest as inceldom or cool alpha skater dude, it just depends.

I'm not sure why but I kinda randomly thought to look him up the other day, assuming he was gone. Nope he's super active he just ... doesn't really get views. Kinda sad. I think he alienated a lot of his audience with his anti sjw stuff, and then proceeded to alienate those anti sjw people when he recanted. He seems like he's somewhat evolved spiritually , doesn't identify as an atheist anymore, embraced chaos magick . But still very much spiral dynamics stage orange.

Rule 1) smoke weed every day Rule 2) never approach women / men Rule 3) become religous , the more conservative the better Rule 4) you're smoking weed every day and following a conservative religion, cognitive dissonance much? Rule 5) Yes. Rule 6) elect low consciousness leaders Rule 7) cheat on your partner Rule 8) cheat your coworkers and business partners Rule 9) Smoke cigarettes and pose in pictures with a cigarette Rule 10) Take lots of research chemicals and make sure to do something stupid so they get banned.

I don't think Leo is necessarily wrong in his critique of religion , but I do think there are some really sharp religious folk out there who understand God well. Enlightenment can happen at any level of spiral dynamics. Just because people like Rumi and old school Zen masters were at blue and religous, doesn't mean they don't understand God.

Same with priests

Because God with low consciousness is stupid! Yes it's all God and God is infinite intelligence but where do you think infinite intelligence comes from? Do you think it's just a given? NO! Intelligence has to be evolved through a brutal process! You have to go through hell to get to heaven! God doesn't create evolution by natural selection because he's an asshole. He creates it this way because he has no choice! There is simply no such thing as a free lunch in the universe. Furthermore, God is the ultimate masochist. All these crappy lives that you say are created by God, ARE GOD. edit: I take some small amount of solace in reading near death experience accounts. I sincerely hope that people who experience nothing but pure hell in this world can have some peace on the other side, but I dunno, seems like a consolation prize when you aren't looking at the big picture. edit edit: For most people you can improve, but there will always be that 1% that simply can't. They do all the personal development work in the books and get nothing for it, and that's a tragedy. But in the big picture, I think we're all being pulled to something beautiful. And you don't even have to look that far, just look at how much living conditions have improved in only the past 100 years. This process is exponential , takes billions of years to get going, but once it does it happens really fucking fast.

Morphic Resonance makes so much sense that science can't explain it! It goes way deeper than telepathy in case you haven't noticed that yet. This plus Leo's two booklist books on evolution completely overhaul the outdated Neo Darwinian paradigm. imo there are at least two ways of understanding God. God as both the ground of being present at all times, and God as the Magnetic Attractor at the end of time. evolution is like water flowing down a stream to the ocean. You can't say for sure it's entirely random, but you can't say for sure it's entirely directed either, it's a little bit of both. That's why dinosaurs were so successful despite not evolving crazy intelligence. Greater intelligence is an atttactor, but how it plays out is largely up to chance.

Yes I should clarify when I say "Just Die" what I mean is do something so extreme you have no choice but to die. Not just sit on your ass for 20 minutes a day or even contemplate all day . If you do something sufficiently hardcore (and there are levels to that, 7 day meditation retreat vs Leo's 30 days of 5 meo dmt) it would be hard not to die.

Just Die. It's that simple.

I agree with that , both psychedelic breakthroughs and hardcore meditation make it such that destruction is not an option. It's deconstruct or die. Or, die or die . And you can either go with it willingly or kicking and screaming, in the end the result is the same.

I think one reason it might not take off is, some people might just get good at meditation, but not have a desire for truth. Good at sitting still but not particularly interested in understanding reality. It might have a lot to do with spiral dynamics and the fact that historically monks have been mostly blue, not yellow or turquoise. one of the things I missed most at retreat was being able to approach truth from an intellectual angle. But now it's informed by a little more silence which is quite nice.

@Twentyfirst nondual teachers seem to think God is stupid , mundane , and ordinary . Because of course God is . But God is also very intelligent, loving , and personal. You're in a constant relationship with a part of yourself you haven't integrated yet . And you integrate that and the next thing manifests as the Other.

@Leo Gura I find that when I was in high school, combat sports were what I needed. It was the hardest thing I ever did , wrestling, the only thing that has come close is 7 day Zen Sesshin. pushing yourself to the limit, that's how you realize God. But deep down im a pacifist so I recognize if I was built differently wrestling would be much easier than Sesshin. i finally realized Love on Sesshin. God is literally fucking Love. It's too good to be true but it is.

Yes profound fucking suffering . When there's nothing to do with sit but yourself deconstructing is the only way to survive . The hatred in my heart before retreat was so immense. I have literally seen through it and realized it is completely fucking IMAGINARY i literally wanted to kill this fucking person and now I have deconstructed . I got insight into Love. NONE OF THIS MATTERS it's a joke :)))) If God is Love and Suffering exists, how could that be anything but a joke? But you're creating it because you're tricked into it, by yourself.

Stop being a pussy and go to a hardcore meditation retreat . I just got back from a 7 day zen sesshin . Meditation works if you work it.

Indeed we are all evil, that is one of the things Jesus was right about

Jesus teaches that you are evil

🔄 Mirrored Patterns Across the Spiral Blue represses female sexuality to preserve order. Green suppresses masculine sexuality to preserve safety. Both stages unconsciously reflect historical wounds—but each overcorrects in a way that perpetuates imbalance, just in different costumes. 🧠 The Integral Realization Recognizes that eros is archetypal, not gendered or moralized Embraces masculine and feminine energies as sacred polarities, not political threats Sees the shadow in both: Blue’s fear of chaos → repression Green’s fear of power → castration “Mature eros doesn’t dominate or disappear. It stands in presence and sees the divine in the other.” Would you like a visual diagram showing these mirrored dynamics across Blue and Green? Or would you like help scripting a post or article from this insight?

What's got you worried?

People taking epistemic solipsism to create metaphysical solipsism . To me epistemic solipsism just shows how important faith is. Faith affirms others are real. God is the one suffering, so I guess that makes God the ultimate masochist .

Why stage green idealizes stage purple And a counterexample: I saw an interview with papa new Guinean who said if his son was gay, he'd kill him GPT 4o Excellent observation—and it gets right to the heart of one of Stage Green’s blind spots: its romanticization of pre-modern cultures, particularly Stage Purple (tribal, animistic, kin-based societies). 🌱 Why Stage Green Idealizes Stage Purple Reaction Against Modernity (Orange/Blue) Green arises after Blue’s dogmatism and Orange’s materialism. It views rationalism, industrialism, and colonialism as dehumanizing and soul-killing. In contrast, it sees tribal and indigenous cultures as authentic, connected, harmonious. Projection of Values Green projects its own ideals—egalitarianism, ecology, inclusivity, community—onto indigenous and ancient cultures. It assumes these cultures were naturally peaceful, spiritually advanced, and inclusive, even when that’s not always the case. Noble Savage Myth (Jean-Jacques Rousseau Redux) The idea that people were pure and moral before civilization “corrupted” them. This myth fuels Green’s reverse hierarchy, where the oldest is seen as the wisest. ❗ The Counterexample: Harsh Realities of Stage Purple “I saw an interview with a Papua New Guinean who said if his son was gay, he’d kill him.” This is a perfect and sobering counterexample. Stage Purple is not inclusive by Green standards: Group cohesion is paramount—and that often means enforcing strict roles and traditions. Deviance is punished severely, especially when it threatens tribal norms. Homophobia, gender rigidness, superstition, and violence are common and normalized in many Purple societies. Stage Purple isn’t “evil”—it’s simply pre-individual, pre-modern, and focused on survival through loyalty.

I think you're right that just because we have a word for something doesn't mean it exists in this world, I'm just suggesting that for reality to be infinite that there is a world where anything than can be imagined exists. Otherwise it wouldn't be infinite .