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@puporing Have you considered having those realizations alone, without Jesus?

@Nemra It’s deeper. They can not— and there is no reason for some 😳 and no way out. There’s a reason why some people have such strong religious takes towards God without formal indoctrination. God is inherent. Peoples take on him are not. People with less control hope. Consider hope as an intelligent survival strategy for some. This is not to say all they do is hope. Strangely, they may be good at something still. Or very caring… atypical to a rational mind or perspective.

@Leo Gura Yeah there’s no Christian ideology in me ha ha. They used to put me in special classes when I was five because I thought they were all retarded. Some of them actually are. That’s what you’re missing. Corruption can’t be causal when it is inherent. The space you are trying to fill with explanation is void. Reality cannot be void, sure. But it has voids. And one is the Christian mind. The true, good hearted, no grift, Christian. I’ll put it this way. They are so stupid that any devilry that they commit you should feel bad for like a dog you did not let out and has peed on your carpet.

@puporing Yeah so did half this community. Next.

@puporing No- you told the community you expected more because someone simply told you it was a high order to claim to be JESUS2. Get over it. That is a tall order. Children around the world would faint for JESUS2. People around the world. The elderly— would die on notice of the news. Non-believers especially. Nobody would believe it. And if you were Jesus— did you come back to whine?!

@puporing I am not going to argue with you. You have now presented numerous false equivalencies. You being gaslit in the past has nothing to do with your responsibility now. Implying that I gaslit you because I called you out for gaslighting is obvious deflection. When I told you to go do something— that would’ve been a good opportunity to speak up for yourself. Instead you virtue signaled that you do not virtue signal.

A terminological explanation would be nice. I think about enlightenment as my human waking up. And God-Realization as the Full God Me Waking Up. But I’m bad with terms 😉

@Globalcollective They weren’t engaging with you honestly. They knew what you meant. — Anyone who cares about the Truth knew what you meant. Leo’s forum is a gift. — Your initial comment was also perfectly fair to anyone who understands the profundity of somebody like Jesus and his story.

@puporing It is clear now you have fundamental misunderstandings. You miss the very essence of Truth. ‘I expect more for this particular place as it claims to care about truth.’ Why? Because of this: Do not gaslight or omit this community because you cannot Edgelord your way into a prophecy— of 2000+ years mind you. The profundity of the -absolute- Truth and claims around God, Jesus, etc. are far from anything you think you could ever say or display. And that goes for everyone else: Leo, Myself, your God, my God, your Mom, your Mom’s mom— etc. — Enough. — If you are Jesus, go— go do something.

@Leo Gura That’s not what Faith is. I had to go to Church as a kid and actually see the madness. Faith is not acting like you know. Faith is admitting you do not and trusting it will work out. You’re missing what would otherwise be obvious to you. There is every type of people. You refer to the more devilish side of Christians. Yes, there’s a good portion not trying to be devils but are rational thinkers and are truly indoctrinated— and well, devilish. They could unlearn or take responsibility. And the out right grifting bastards of course too. Others truly and honestly believe where they do not have the power to know and have faith. One wants to feel Christian. One is naive or devilish or grifts. The other just wants to feel safe. Lot of good people out there with faith. If you’d ask me if I think those people could put together a two piece puzzle with a set of graphic instructions— probably not. Good hearts though. I knew good people in Church. I just thought they were not the brightest. Also that they were harmless enough not to worry about. That was before I understood how the mind works. Still, I do not think this will be something learnable or explainable to them. There’s a reason shepherds exist. — Society has listeners by design.

@Leo Gura I get your point—Ralston’s ‘not knowing’ is deliberate, and Christians don’t practice that. I wasn’t redefining it, just pointing out that Christians still don’t actually know; they just cover it with faith. So they’re in a different kind of not knowing, whether they admit it or not. I could’ve said: Faith = I do not know. Why I didn’t, I don’t know. I see the conflation, though.

@puporing Do you consider yourself unique in your relationship to Jesus— in comparison to most Christians? — When I was 5, in Sunday school, and they taught me about Jesus, something clicked. I asked, “Why do we not just do what Jesus does? What is all the other stuff and the stories?” I do not remember their response. But I was turned off to religion based on its inconsistencies and how I viewed other’s perceptions or motivations behind it. I became atheist, years passed, I became agnostic, years passed, I found Leo’s work, etc.. I like what I have heard about Jesus. I can relate some of his teachings to my conceptions of God. Jesus is God. I am God. But I often hesitate to even mention this as I view it as an encouragement to faith and could ultimately mislead people. The vast majority of people cannot relate to Christianity on that spiritual level. The system of Christianity does what it is doing… and there are not millions and billions of enlightened people… — Ironically, I have a favorite story from the Bible that perfectly illustrates this problem: the story of the Golden Calf. The Israelites got impatient waiting for Moses and made an idol—a version of God that fit their desires—instead of following what was actually given to them. It broke the First Commandment: “You shall have no other gods before Me.” Which is exactly what I fear when talking about my own views. It’s easy to shape a version of God that makes sense to me, but that doesn’t mean it’s actually God or that Jesus really means anything more than other stories’s attempt at Truth— including my stories. People awaken to what they awaken to. Jesus seemed awake. It only makes sense that people may awaken to him. But— the story of the Golden Calf. “You shall have no other gods before Me.” I view stories, such as Jesus’s, as idolatry. I view Leo’s stories of Love and God the same way. Leo may not point to a clear ‘idol’ but his work could be misrepresented and lead to some serious misunderstandings. Some people take the ‘You are God’ thing too far and make an Idol of themselves— there’s been a few of those. And each framework has its own risks. And some are cleaner or sloppier. Christianity, I’d argue, is sloppy. They’re good at engaging people. But I am not so sure for enlightening them.

@Leo Gura Care to elaborate? What I meant was: Christian faith is a form of not-knowing—not in the Ralston sense, but in the sense that it replaces understanding with belief. Their faith functions as a barrier to knowing because it prevents doubt and inquiry. If they had doubt instead of faith, their not-knowing would resemble Ralston’s—an open, investigative stance. But since they don’t, their not-knowing becomes passive and limiting rather than conscious and liberating. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

Ta-Da!

Experience is inevitable, regardless of Consciousness.

If people’s claim is that the admission of Faith and Not Knowing is what leads them to God— fine. But the second you have that God realization your faith will die and become useless. To continue having faith in something once you claim to know it— is self-deception and should be considered an intellectual incongruity.

@Nemra Faith=Not Knowing

@Nemra If you can’t verify it through direct observation, you don’t know it.

@Leo Gura Why so much? I live in a winter state and just take the recommended 400-800ui a day. If I miss a day or if it’s extra dark outside, I will make up the difference and take a few more. I think I feel good haha.

Faith=Not Knowing

Thankfully, I was kidding. It could be a mess haha. I would not be surprised, in the future, though. @Natasha Tori Maru

@emil1234 There are no options, ultimately. No states. Whatever you think he shifted into was just whatever he was continuing to be.

If I’m not human right now then you should have understood my point about what you’re saying being imaginary. Receptors and chemicals aren’t real. They exist in your mind. And when you come down from a trip, it is a metaphysical necessity. You said it wasn’t before, but you also say everything is necessary. Pick. Calling me patently deluded while I can essentially read your mind just makes me giggle.

Downplaying his work and acting like that is all he has done is somewhat rude and pathetic. Superiority is an illusion you have separating you from the Truth. You would be more correct than in your other statements.

@The Crocodile You do not comprehend how necessary it is that you are human right now. Or that when you take these chemicals you cease to be human at all.