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@Jesus Christ Do you argue with cats on their inability to do math or have you better things to do?

@Dodo You kind of asked for it making this thread. People always make fun of prophets and everything else for that matter. You should be able to laugh at it all or ignore it. Figure out why you can’t. Jesus obviously has crossed the line of humor|rudeness, though. Humor doesn’t justify rudeness. And rudeness doesn’t justify emotional abuse. Especially on a voluntary, online, forum of which you can be anonymous if you so choose.

@Jesus Christ I was on your side until you started insulting and name calling. The image of Christ is funny to me, growing up Christian. Why? Because I don’t believe any of it. Jesus became a character to me as many. A character of our own personal will and imagination. Often times, for people who do not believe or have renounced, Jesus becomes a meme. As other have mentioned, they are also different consequences and views around Christianity that may allow Jesus to be made fun of more than other prophets. Personally, all prophets are a joke to me. None of that justifies you calling people names. I don’t care if they are or not. You calling them that says more about you. Most importantly, it bastardizes any rebuttal to this thread you may have had and you’ve basically proven Dodo’s point and gaslit him.

@Leo Gura So what’s the middle ground now? I understand your points now, and earlier in the conflict. But where do they meet? Has anything changed, in your mind? Before it seems more like you empathized with Hamas or at least disliked the IDF’s handling.

@nuwu I am sorry for my defensiveness. You are correct. I did state very obvious things, centered around qualia, as you mentioned in a a well put, instructional manner. Thank you. I did not understand how Leo did not see how biocomputing would how an effect on AGI. Or maybe that was just his way or probing me to share what I know. My solution was, not to ask him what his definition of AGI was, but to tell him mine, and poorly. I do not know what is gaslighty about that or what ‘sentiment to infinity’ means, but I am sorry for my defensiveness.

@Leo Gura Biocomputing will help with your chatbot view of AGI, humanoid robots - all of the above.

@nuwu You chimed in saying wetware was slavery, and you want to talk to me about gaslighting and straw manning? Yeah, what you mentioned is not revolutionary, or what I was talking about. Edit: It was what I was talking about. I didn’t know Leo’s exact ‘AGI definition’ and I did not ask. Instead, I just poorly explained what I don’t think it is and what it is and a bunch of nonsense, besides the point. Also, wetware can be slavery. Lastly, the tone I had is paranormally defensive for an internet interaction. - ❤️

@Leo Gura AGI is a misnomer. AGI would just be all of the complex systems of a human, but man made. Not going to happen. Realistically, it will be a combination of the useful systems and pissing and shitting, for example, will be excluded because it’s not useful for the type of intelligence the people building this stuff care about. Nobody is going to program a robot to think it is peeing when it is not.. But that all would be required to get ‘AGI.’ Nobody is trying to create AGI or humanoids and if they say they are they are mistaken. They are just creating robots and they just need to be ‘relatable.’ We maximize specific fields, such as language, vision and moving to more of the physical abilities such as walking, grabbing, etc. All of these require new types of computing, mass data input, mass data retention, high levels of energy expenditure, etc. All of these things biocomputing will do better. I don’t know what else to tell you. Whether or not we agree on what is ‘AGI’ or how we get there- high levels of computing will be needed and biocomputing is clearly going to have certain advantages.

@nuwu Actually, slavery is what was used to make the device you’re typing on. Biocomputing uses lab grown brain tissue from stem cells. Your fear, however, is not unwarranted. This technology would be the foundation to, yes, harvesting brains or lifeforms for computational power.

Look into the Biocomputing developments from the past couple of months. Actual brain tissue is grown from stem cells and incorporated into computing. It has cut energy usage and improved overall processing while enabling further study into more organic algorithms and compressing data. @Leo Gura

Leo has enabled so many men to get hot witch girlfriends that they just don’t have time anymore.

@strika Relax.

@Leo Gura If Trump wins, how do we combat it?

Brave browser (at least on IOS) also now has a shorts blocker extension built in, for YouTube.

If you could squat 500lbs you would be extremely bulky already. What you’re saying makes zero sense.

@Leo Gura Never seen you so back and forth on a subject. I quoted you saying it does nothing for health. You responded it did then. Are you trying to reverse gym culture or something? Misrepresenting exercise and weight lifting is not a good way to do that. In your example, the ice cream would make you gain fat. Not muscle. They’re obviously different. And yes, in your other example- if you were to stop eating, you could lose weight without exercising at all! And if you never drove your car- you’d never have to spend on gas! You just can’t drive your car anymore! I’m not going to explain 5th grade health class to you. I don’t think you need me to either. You clearly have some bias against physical health or are failing to clearly portray your thoughts in this medium.

@Leo Gura Muscle mass promotes good health directly by increasing insulin availability, monitoring blood sugars, supporting amino acids and cytokine proteins in the immune system, activating neurotransmitters in relation to mood, such as with serotonin or different endorphins. Muscle mass also reduces overall risk factors with daily activities, making them easier. It strengthens bones, tendons, etc. All these things help delay aging and aid in mobility when we get older. Not to mention weight lifting and general exercise’s positive effect on the heart, circulation. Your point about having the muscles we need is a wild take. A lot of people do not even have physical jobs- they do not need any muscles, according to those claims. Yet, strengthening themselves would serve them well. Not for looks. Not to over-lift. A very gentle, light-weight, full range of exercises that are lifting based. This is well published. There’s no incentive behind lying about it either. Plenty of people live lives where, sure, they take creatine, protein powder, etc. But plenty just eat a lot of meat, eggs, veggies, etc. Still, masses of people void from any marketing or business profits agree with this. Muscles do not have to be massive, but we should not just be skinny either. Not if we can help it. And it can be done without the ‘gym rat’ esc. And it can be done regardless of genetics or most instances. Yes, genetics sets the bar for how much work it takes and what you even get to work with. But I am blown away by your take on this. Is it to push back against the gym culture? There are plenty of meat heads. I don’t like them either. This has nothing to do with them. Imagine saying the mind has just enough for what it needs and we shouldn’t learn anything or educate ourselves. We grow the mind not because we wouldn’t be fine on some well fare system. Anyone can live 50 years in America and hardly do a thing. We grow the mind because we can prepare it for more than it’d ever need to and it serves us in what we do. The body is the same. Climbers rope is the same. Computers. Cars towing ability. AC. Ect. All of them perform best in environments where they are ‘rated’ above the factors of which they endure. Nobody wants to climb a mountain on rope rated for 150lbs. A car pulling a camper on the edge of its capacity sucks. Computers, maxing out the settings they’re actually even rated for- overheat. It always works out better to get the pc that can handle more than what you’re running. Am I missing something here? I could list more and more on why weight lifting specifically is good. Nobody is advocating for anything extreme here.

@Leo Gura I’m a little confused, as I know the framing has changed over the years. So, are you claiming to have figured out and/or transcended God? Or is it that you’ve figured enough about everything else to know you never will figure out or transcend God or that it’s not even possible?

@Leo Gura (Good or Bad) What does mean to you now? How has it changed you, what has it brought you, etc.? Obviously, you don’t just say it. And I am curious if there any examples or routine thoughts or habits that’ve evolved recently in consequence. Maybe it won’t make sense to me. Still, I want your thoughts as they were your own.

@Leo Gura A few countries heavily rely on distilled water. They get it from the ocean and remineralize it. It can be safe. I suppose it’s a matter of if the additional cleanliness is worth the cost of minerals overtime.

@Leo Gura Low bar.

A little snippy, myself maybe. I could’ve left it as grokking is not intelligence. These are different words in my mind. I think when we rank intelligence we are first ranking what’s worth intelligence and it is a relativistic mess. This is why I try to be as specific as possible whenever comparing intelligences and often times it just isn’t compatible for me. And I think that perhaps I do not mean to say that intelligence is relativistic. I think it’s possible for intelligence to be consistent and have other things react differently to it. Sort of relativistic, but where the intelligence remains unchanged.

@Inliytened1 Grokking is not intelligence. Grokking is not the thing grokked. Intelligence may not be intelligent, etc. The topic at hand is about not conflating.

I also disagree about there is not a human intelligence or animal intelligence. If something is worth distinguishing it has its own bounds, rules, etc. It’s its own game. If I had to be a dolphin right now I couldn’t do it. I couldn’t be someone’s dog right now either. It’d be a lot to learn. Even a dog has to learn how to be a dog. But I’m much smarter than a dog? No, my intelligence, understanding, knowledge, etc. is just different.

@Inliytened1 It seems we don’t actually know if the animals are leveraging it or not. Grokking can be explained and it is interdependent from intelligence, understanding and knowledge. We should be careful conflating any of these. They’re all relative.