undeather

You dont think that curing depression & giving nihilistically endangered human beings a taste of "extasis" is a huge part of "fixing" a life? In fact, if you find yourself in midst of a depressive episode, you wont even be able to do ANYTHING productive. Also, Psilocybin might be the best working and safest anti-smoking product we currently know of.

You too have views on whats right and wrong. Dont bullshit yourself. You make choices according to what you prefer and what you "dont like". What do you think that is? Exactly! Its Judgement. In fact, you obviously see your parents or at least the way they act/think as "not preferable" - guess what, thats judgement too. Every opinion is judgement at its core. If you like something more than something else, you will automically put a label on it. Welcome to relative world. The problem is not judgement, its unconcious, dumb judgement. The notion that "enlightened" masters dont "judge" is also wrong. Krishnamurti and Osho judged each other all the time, even with some strikes below the belt. There are dozens of stories about spiritual beef when you research it long enough, so lets just take this into account. They are all human, so are you and your parents. I cant tell you exactly why you struggle with your parents, nobody here can. All the advice you get here might lead to more misery. We just dont know your exact situation. Maybe your parents are just afraid that you waste your life away because they dont really know what you are doing? Maybe your life is a mess and your spiritual bypassing is a huge problem? Maybe your parents actually are stubborn? Maybe they think that you are very young and should focus on building a fundation first? Have you ever thought about taking extreme measures and actually talk with them about it? You wont believe how open minded blue people can be if you just word stuff the right way and present yourself in an appropriate fashion! You obviously have to phrase it in their language, so they can understand it from their point of view in the spiral. My father is a deep, deep stage blue/orange person. Yet our relationship got wayy better in the last years, even though I went from orange to yellow/turquoiseish while he remained on his level. He knows about my spiritual journey but also doesnt care because I have got my shit together. If you truly are an integrated person, you should be able to relate to every other stage on the spiral with ease. I dont talk my with parents about spiritual stuff either, they dont care and I dont mind. Many spiritual seekers are such one-sided, boring human beings because they dont have any interests outside of spirituality.

Hey Kid! This is what I can wholeheartedly recommend you: If your life is not build on a solid fundament right now, dont start your spiritual journey from that point, especially on this forum. You will get confused, you wont be able to distinguish between information and noise, and there is just too much blind leading the blind going on. Some concepts will feel like a sledgehammer to your ego. You will have moderators answering simple questions with non-dual, crypto-neo-vedanta-esque "wisdom" which is not understood by 99% of the people here who usually just "understand" things conceptually (not even that sometimes). There is a pseudo-integral thinking going on which is mainly caused by some misunderstanding or subconcious shadow. Start with meditation. Start with easy books & proven quality teachers (Adyashanti, Sadhguru..). Start with psychodelics. Fix your life first. I have seen too many people here, lost and never to be found again, because they didnt take care of their basic human needs. Then, if you already got some grip, return to this forum. Anyway, either way - I wish you good luck on this journey, keep thinking for yourself and dont believe everything. Love, undeather!

The term "Self actualization" was popularized by Abraham Maslow, as upper part of his pyramid of needs. Its an inherent drive in human beings to "self actualzie", which usually arises when lower, more fundamental psychological needs are already dealt with and when there is room to grow. Self developement means the developement of the self, lol. Its basically everything out there, from Toni Robbins, motivational podcasts to pickup classes. Dont underestimate this stuff. A healthy, integral lifestyle includes waking up (spirituality), growing up (healthy "self developement") and showing up (actually doing shit for people who are not so lucky).

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Kinda agree, especially with purple. Yellow: Jamie Wheal (in my opinion the best example of a true yellow out there)

lol noob l2p

Ahh, the law of attraction. The idea that the universe surcomes to our egoic wishes & needs. You just need to focus hard enough and that wished thing vibrates into existence. I cant tell you how often I manifested a parking space that way. Literally a game changer. To be honest, its mostly quackery. Its a westernized version of a highly complex spiritual phenomenon, butchered into pieces so it fits our egoic narcissism. You want this? Grea! Travel to an indian/tibetan monastery, meditate for 30 years and then, maybe then, with extreme luck and tenacity you will develop some kind of siddhi that lets you control this reality in a subtle way.

Thanks for this non BS answer! Was about to write something similar, but you hit the nail on the head.

I dont have the time, nor the sufficient english skills to make an in-depth analysis about what is wrong with most people using integral models like spiral dynamics. I have tried in the past and failed, but dont worry, I wont leave you hanging there! It seems to me that a huge junk of people nowadays just repeat what they hear from Leo or some other spiritual teacher without actually doing the difficult thing and research/think for themselves. I mean, just ask yourself: How many hours of your life did you actually spend researching that one map you use almost everyday when you judge a certain system or person? I see this every day in here - spiral dynamics here, integral there, non-duality here, ego there - yet only very rarely I see someone who tought those things through. This is a huge problem in this community. Here are some questions/marterials you can use to get a better understanding: Read: Every important work from Claire Graves/Don Beck/Ken Wilber Get your hands on "Cosmic Counciousness with Ken Wilber" on audible! Watch the integral interviews with Doshin Roshi Read about the integral institute and learn about the people in it Read about the pathologies often described in certain stages 1) What does integral really mean in a developmental context? What does integrate and transcend really mean? 2) Why did basically every instituation/company that worked or was trying to incorporate integral frameworks fail sooner or later and had to change/adapt its strategies to survive? 3) Is there really something like a second/third tier? Is this maybe completely abritrary? If yes, then what are factors that would get you there? What are the problems? Is it enough to be "aware" of the stages? (i.e: "If you are reading this book about spiral dynamics, you are already second tier" - Ken Wilber) What is system thinking and what are its limits? 4) Why would different spiritual/developmental teachers have fundamentally different ideas where to rank certain people on the spiral? (I.e Jordan Peterson in blue vs yellow, depending on the source). Is there even a right or wrong? If not, what does this say about the map? 5) Spiral dynamics as a hidden ego-enhancer? 6) Can you be at stage turqoise without the disciplinary aspects and "backbone" of blue, the money mindset of orange, the enviromentalism of green and even the healthy tribal parts in red? Propably the best critique of integral theory I have ever heard:

I dont get triggered by any specific stage, maybe parts of it can be very annoying in everday life. (Mean green meme, stage red tribalism..) What really grinds my gears when it comes to spiral dynamics are unintegrated, pseudospiritual, "second tier" idiots who told themselves a story about their amazing developement, yet cant even start to fathom all the fallacies they ran into. It must be the most misunderstood model in the spiritual world and even integral "masters" like Ken Wilber admit that.

Glad I could help. Dont hesitate to shoot me a pm if you have any questions. I am not very active but I will do my best to respond. I follow both Jay AND Unfits on instagram (Even though I think that Unfits is kinda dumb sometimes when he speeds with his Ferrari and endangers other human beigns unnecessarily) They are both fun to watch and a great source of good music hehe. Maybe!

Technically, depression isnt a real thing either, because godhead cant become depressed. Technically, when a dear friend dies, you shouldnt be sad. Technically your urge of taking a shit is an illusion. We can talk all day about the implications of non-duality, yet this changes nothing for 99,99999% who life on this planet and are currently not, nor will they ever be anywhere close to enlightenment. Even enlightened masters have this monkey-meatsuit and can experience lonliness. If you disagree, try not taking a shit for some days. So, duh.

Well, I cant really answer that for you. You gotta be open minded and ask yourself that question everyday. Do you enjoy NO ONES company or is it certain people? If you can enjoy time with a certain personaltiy type, then I would go out and look for exactly that type of person. You dont need a lot of friends, 2-3 high quality and relatable people in your circle is more than enough. On the other side, maybe you are just a judgemental douchebag who cant enjoy the simple things in people because of some "high conciousness ego-structure" he build for himself. Both is possible, but I just dont know you good enough to tell So be honest and find that out for yourself. First of all, forget spiral dynamics. Not that it hasnt an important place, but it typically leads people to stagnation by overanalysis. Its a great map if you want to look at genereal developmental tendencies, but it has its limits. I know some people who rely too much on this one map, and those are usually lost in trying to solve their world from the perspective of a whiteboard. I also notice time and time again that its misunderstood because of its integral nature. You want to grow your business if I am right. So forget about everything non related to that. This is not about spiral dynmaics, spiritualy, higher conciousness, non-duality. You seem to be very young, so take one step after another and stop with all that other stuff for now. That whole second tier, stage yellow/turqoise headache will come to you anyway sooner or later. Look for a mentor that helps you with your business and your motivational problems. Maybe you need to go through multiple mentors to find one that fits your unique personal type. There are great integral teachers out there, you just need to find them. Dont try to find the "perfect" one, like the one you described - cause thats bullshit. Just use some your common sense a bit more. You wont grow more if you figure it out for yourself. Thats a bullshit story your ego tells you. Chances are you will never find it out and dabble in the dark for some years. You are clearly very young, so avoid a decade of trial and error, literally wasting your time, and find someone that helps you. Thats perfectly fine and the one smart thing to do. Nobody in here knows your exact situation, so why bother asking some randoms for advice? Most people here are not in a good place to start with, so it quickly becomes a blind leading the blind situation. Get some real help from real people or programs. Also Jay Alvarrez is not stage orange (kinda green/yellowish - there is some system thinking in him). You can be an enlightened stage turqoise master who drives Mercedes G-class while fucking a russian supermodel in the backseat. Its an integral model, so you transcend a stage by integrating the healthy parts of it. I am a typical "stage yellow" person, even if I dont like to identify as that. I drink alcohol, I make 6 figures, I have multiple sexual partners - so what? Stop labeling so much. You can be a stage yellow billionare (Elon Musk is high green/yellow) or a orange billionare (Jeff Bezos). You can be a stage yellow pickup artist (Marshall from Natural lifestyles) or some stage red mysoginistic idiot. There is no either/or. Anyway, stop with that analysis now. What you need to do know is taking care other stuff. Greetings

How about we stop with all that gibberish/pseudo-profundity and just give understandable/non-BS answers. Reincarnation is not a 100% proven thing, yet there is some really good evidence that indicates some kind of "thread" that goes through lifetimes. If you are interested in that, search for Dr. Ian Stevenson's lectures on youtube. Now lets come to your question: How is reincarnation compatible with non-duality. Again, there is no definite proof out there, in fact different traditions/teachers will tell you different stories about that. Yet there seems to be a middle ground where most traditions come together and it basically goes like this: When your body dies, your brain dies. When your brain dies, your personality/ego dies. So thats gone. Yet there is some kind of "karmic structure"(yogi-term) or "soul"(christian term) that "looks for a new body" after your current one bites the dust. In this structure, all your previous life experiences are perserved and this actually influences which "new body" "you" are choosing. Godhead is overflowing with creative energy, so it constantly spits out new "karmic structures" that go on their adventures through serveral lifetimes, until one day, they return by realizing their true nature. Its still all one thing, it just creates a cosmic dance out of itself. Again, I dont know if this is true - but it seems to be possible.

Playing World of Warcraft all day while listening to Self-help & spirituality videos in the background lol.

This sounds like a bullshit story you tell yourself. Most people who describe themselfe as "lonely" in this community are just really terrible at relating with other human beings. They build an ego around their ill perceived superiority and cant see that the real problem is general weirdness or some psychological projection they suffer from. Even if you are "more developed", then it should be easy for you to find friends on your level, in abundance. I have friends on every possible spectrum of conciousness and I can relate to them just fine. Of course, most of my closest friends are high value, high profile individuals but that doesnt mean I cant go out and do stuff with my stage blue cousin and enjoy it. There is different advice for different developmental stages when it comes to this. For some people this means dropping every expectation and that will do the trick. For others, some good old discipline and persistance is the right track. Some mindset switch is propably the best for the next one. You need to find that out for yourself, nobody in here can tell you that. The best advice I can give you is to find a mentor that has the success you are looking for. Asking such questions here on this board will confuse you even more, trust me.

Found out about this guy a couple of months ago, devoured all possible podcasts/books/articles he is part of in a short period of time. Sadly, there isnt too much from him on youtube - lets hope this changes in the future! Just a brilliant, very no bullshit & nuanced thinker (which is very rare nowadays)! I have to admit that I didnt like his book a lot because it seems quite superficial and stuffed with buzz words - basically the complete opposite to any of his podcast appearances. Here are few of my favorite pieces! Enjoy!

"We are pluriforms of god, voluntary descended to reanimate the Yin element, which does not know. In doing so, we know that we will forget ourselves in the act of redeeming the other half, which is a terrible irony, because we become what we are attempting to save. And only in remembering the ourselves together, is the game won and we get to return for eternity." -Philip K. Dick

Leo is a flawed human being like we all are. Thats perfectly fine. Relative truths can be very, very complex, almost unattainable for a human mind. Thank god, that in a few years, we can salutate and ask our new machine overlords about that stuff.

So, is that mutually exclusive? Because you can definitely party, chase girls & have some drinks with your boys from time to time WHILE doing serious spiritual and life purpose practices basically every day. If you wish, you can do that. I love to do that. The trick is to do it conciously.

Got a quite high baseline to start with: So I would place myself somewhere in the range of 7-8,5/10

I exactly understand OP, cause I have been going through the same stuff. He DMd me after my response, so I guess I struck a nerve. A lot of older people regret the stuff they didnt do when they were young. OP IS still young, so maybe do those things now, than deal with the regret later? Kinda stupid, isnt it? Its like saying: dont eat healthy, get sick and learn to let go of the suffering/fear.

Dont let anyboy here tell you what you should do. People on this forum neither know your situation, nor whats best for your life. Most individuals in here life highly mediocre lives, a lot are clinically depressed. You see those people sharing "advice" while complaining about their miserable life in the next thread. I almost fell into this trap when I was your age (26 now) but thank god I took the other path. So you are 23? Dude, you are young as fuck - most of my craziest life adventures happened in the last 3 years (from 23-26). Dont let anybody here tell you its a bad thing to do stupid things with your friends and having some drinks here and there. If you have this feeling, adress it - look whats behind that. Man, the most memorable times I had in my life were the vacations and trips, drunk at a beach, playing volleyball with the 2 hot girls we just met, almost crying of laughter because of some ridicolous thing that happened. Or the one time we got in a huge thunderstorm during camping - scary at first, but one of the most epic experiences afterwards. Those are the bonding experiences that brought us together for the long run, its peak experience and I felt pure love for all those people in my life and everything else that "exists". You do pickup? Great! Picking up girls is a fun part of life and just another great part of this awesome simulation. Also, if you want to settle down in a few years, you can do it with a girl you really connect with, so you dont become just another divorce statistic. So I did all this crazy stuff in the last years, yet I still medidated every day & experiment with different kind of practices. I eat healthy (whole foods, plant based) at least 90% of the time. I do various kinds of physical activity to stay fit. I work hard to become financially independent. Nothing you do in a is mutually exclusive to living a spiritual life. Even after all the "enlightenment experieneces" I had, I still love to have drinks with my boys, smoke some shisha or date beautiful women (Duh!). Play this "video game" called life AND do all spiritual practices/self developement you want. Dont limit yourself to one thing! What "playing" means is completely up to your definition. Leo wouldnt want the things I do. Some other guy on this forum might prefer a completely different path. But if you tell me that you have the "feeling that you miss out on life", then maybe its time to take a closer look. The worst that can happen if you have this realization with 40 or 50. Thats the kind of shit that gets you stuck. You dont even know what that means! You read that in a book or saw it in one of Leos video. Dont put yourself in a certain box. Do what you enjoy, do it conciously. Again, dont follow anyones advice here, including mine of course. Just start thinking in a broader way and think about what you really want. Dont "let got" of that feeling. It will come again and again, until you adress it. IF you have questions, feel free to pm me!