Breakingthewall

@gettoefl If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is: Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern. As Blake said, it's a matter of openess. The doors are closed by evolutionary necessity. At some point, they open.

When they say they don't have a self, they mean they don't operate in the comparative frequency, in which you're constantly evaluating your self-image against learned standards. It's essential to break out of that way of processing because it binds you in total limited state. To get out of there, you have to look at the fear of non-acceptance and break through it. But once you break out of there and operate without comparison, barriers still exist. To achieve true openness, you have to look directly into the void, into the absolute nihilism of meaninglessness, and also into the fear of death. You have to dissolve all your barriers and manage to expand without limits for a moment, another time for longer, etc. This doesn't mean you don't have a self, but rather that your self operates in an open frequency. The self is what you are, your energetic structure. It can't disappear. Those who say this are operating in duality, and they are masters of non-duality.

@Meeksauce If a statement is not absolutely logical, simply discard it.

Percepctions are not thoughts. It's something that you feel, perceive, are concious of.

You can go further. You can perceive with absolute clarity the inherent vitality of this moment, and its unfathomable depth. And you can also realize that this moment or perspective of reality is being created by the totality of the limitless perspectives of reality, and that absolutely all of them are interconnected. You can perceive its vitality, its depth, its limitlessness, how they are moving, fluctuating, flowing in a perfect way

You said: when loves arrives the intellect depart. That's a logical construction that comes from the frame of your energetic structure. Even if you are in deep meditation, the energetic structure of your psyche remains, and that structure emits a form that appears as: when loves arrives the intellect depart. All logical constructs that emerge from that structure are manifestations of that structure. So, if that structure is limited, you will be limited. if your logical structure is open, you have the possibility of real openess, just because your logical structure is not closing. It changes your energetic structure, the way of what reality is expressing itself through you

An open conceptual framework without any logical flaws is essential. Even in deep meditation, your conceptual framework continues to operate in the background. If it has errors or limitations, it will limit you.

No, it can also be used for other things, for example to commit suicide

Mind is not a place, is the fact of structured logical reasoning

There is not problem with the mind if it is aligned, the problem with the mind is when it's structure is wrong. Wrong means limited.

Then love excludes intellect?

It could be said without contradiction that absolute openness is synonymous with being. Being is not something; it is the very absence of limits, since not being would be a limit. Therefore, ultimate reality is being reflected in itself. The point is: what is reflecting? Let's say that I and everything that exists are essentially being, and being is synonymous with openness. What I perceive, what appears in this "being," is in turn being; it is also open and unlimited. Openness unfolds infinitely and looks at itself. "Looking at itself" in the sense of contrasting in state. Being has infinite states, but only one essence: openness. In the absence of limits, it is inevitable that two states of being oppose each other and create a stable, synchronous movement. This fact, raised to the infinite power, is manifest reality. Only that possible appears; everything that is possible appears. Possible = coherent, synchronous with the totality of infinite manifest being. As you can see, this is an unlimited perspective, vs. the limited perspective of creator and creation. If you truly realize that you are the total openness, contraction disappears. This is felt physically, in your breathing; the mind becomes clear and open. To be a bit poetic, reality sings, rejoices, flows upon itself with joy, bursts into joy because it is

That vision lacks logic, and reality is absolutely logical. What does "imagine" mean? Who imagines? How? Why? All of these are limits. The wild card of: you need to awake to that realization, It will put you in the category of a person who needs security and certainty and for this, he creates a story and believes it, aka religious.

It's impossible for reality to be like this because reality is unlimited, and the perspective you propose is limited; it has a creative center that emits images. The unlimited can't have a center, and the only possible creation is the inevitable reflection between contrasting states to infinite power. So, if you explain that vision to an atheist, they'll still be an atheist because it's untenable; it's a closed perspective.

Yeah, that means that you are looking for the depth, not looking for the flat absence. There is a self. It's an energetic structure that's occurring. You're afraid, you have a desire for survival. You'd rather have health and freedom than be locked in a basement full of rats for the rest of your life. It's a reality, so why do they say it's an illusion? They want to square the circle with hammer blows so they can burn themselves as a bonze without lifting a finger. Well, that's still self. The Buddhism is full of self and morality, it's a closed religion. It's more closed than Christianity, but it's seductive and the spirituality now is Buddhism with nuances.

On one hand, there is the filter of the conditioned mind, which defines things comparatively. On the other, there is unlimited perception. More than perception, it is the fact of reality , without perceiver, object, or perception. Perception is a dual dimension that occurs in the current configuration of reality. As this dimension of reality is arranged, it forces the division between subject and object. This is not unreal; it is a perspective that occurs and, by its nature, limits. By limiting, it closes you off from your true nature because what you perceive are the limits, not the substance, what reality is. You can change perspectives at will, place yourself in a perspective without limits, and then open yourself to the nature of reality, to what you are. But the normal thing is to exchange a limited perspective for another that is theoretically broader but also limited. It is not really broader because it is limited: creator and creation, etc. The unlimited perspective is indefinite. Reality is total depth, limitlessness, and that's the same than being. The moment you try to grasp it with the mind, you enter the limited perspective. If you can truly enter the unlimited perspective, the limited perspective takes on a new dimension, another breadth. It is limited locally, but unlimited in its entirety. Denying the limited perspective as false, calling it illusion, dream, maya, closes it off. The limited perspective is the cause-effect relationship, and it's real. The only nuance is that it ultimately has no limits, but that doesn't mean everything is the same. There's a living flow occurring, and you understand that you must align yourself, open your energetic potential as much as possible. Why? Because that's what the flow tells you when you're open to it.

You say that God is reality, not that God creates reality, so any atheist will agree with you. In fact, they'll tell you that you're an atheist too and that you shouldn't use the word "God" anymore, but "reality."

The thought that arises is the consequence of a hypercomplex energetic structure that emits that vibration. If your existential pattern, interconnected with the totality of reality, has created, for example, a relationship based on lack, which has given rise to a series of responsibilities that are something real, a real energetic knot, and all of this has led you down a life path based on fear, resulting in you being trapped in a series of oppressive situations, do you really think you're going to choose to think everything is wonderful, and that it really will be? No. Welcome to the real world. This isn't Disneyland; it's more like the trenches of World War I. You just don't know it yet. All that patterns are the results of an inimaginable chain of relationship cause effect that encompass the whole; they are the whole expressing itself now. Each neuronal synapse unfolds to infinity; each energetic exchange with another is a reality that deploys its butterfly effects in the totality of existence. You don't intuit the magnitude of this game; you are reality in action, the living infinity unfolding.

That's exactly the idea of self-help, which is false and therefore never works. It castrates the mind. You can't focus on the present; you're already in the present all the time. It's just that your present is an anxious vibration. The anxious vibration is the result of your energetic structure, a very intricate and complex pattern created by countless relationships, like anything else in reality. When you say you can focus on the present, it seems like you're stating the obvious, but what you're actually doing is separating yourself from your thoughts, and the past and future from the present. In other words, you're falling into a trap disguised as spirituality that will prevent you from truly aligning and expanding yourself, simplifying what is not simple at all. The fact that you're creating a bubble of constant mental flow made of self-referential thinking is the consequence of an energetic structure closed by fear. If you aim for the consequence, that is, the mental flow, you won't achieve anything. You have to understand the roots of your fear, face it head-on, understand your closed structure. Understand it intuitively, directly. It's extremely difficult. The fact that we are the way we are is the result of a reality, inheritance, connection, and human evolutionary pattern, not a silly mistake that is fixed by stopping thinking. You have to go through your psyche, look it in the face, look the limitlessness, the absolute nihilism in the face, and go through it. There is no easy way; easy ways are drugs that numb you, anesthetize you, like sadhguru or Ralston. The real path is the road of the pioneer, the one who conquers reality. We are humans, we are made for that job.

Suffering push to avoid it, is an engine for change and evolution. It is a very complex energetic pattern created by life as the most efficient path to expansion. If you are a being who lives in the physical realm, your suffering will be physical; if you are a being who also lives in the mental realm, in the dimension of the psyche, your suffering will be psychological. Both are the same: reality creates momentum in one direction, which is always expansion. Psychological suffering is much more complex because it places us in a trap: we desire permanence and we are impermanent. Therefore, we must make a move for which there is no instruction manual: the breaking of boundaries, the opening to the unlimited. This flattens psychological suffering because you are no longer locked in the dimension of the logical mind. You are not creating a self-referential bubble in which your energy bounces off yourself. Instead, you operate in a fluid, open manner. This does not mean that if you have something like a serious illness you will not suffer, but it is managed differently

Then, if someone tells that to travel from a city to another you should walking in circles in your room, it's legit and we should respect it like a true perspective? Btw you didn't explain the cosmic joke. How? You didn't explain nothing

What means self generated? What is the self? If you're producing thoughts that create suffering, you're doing so because the energetic structure that you are creates that vibration. It's not something you do; it's something that is. If you want to change that dynamic, this reality, the very fact of wanting to change is a structure that reality is creating, something that is emerging as a result of infinity. If you don't understand this, you're locked into the idea of the self as the primary, direct cause, and this is false. The self is interconnected with all of reality. Understanding this conceptually can be useful to avoid staying in the position of: I am the one who creates the suffering. Yes, you create suffering, and at the same time, you are a consequence of total reality. The idea that you are sovereignly responsible for your energetic vibration, for your thoughts, is false. If you believe this, you will become frustrated, since you cannot control your vibration because you are your vibration. Control is the path of denial, which says that there are erroneous thoughts that you shouldn't have; you're having them because you want to. Stop having them. No, you're having them because that is your energetic structure created by reality. This structure can change, carry out a true metamorphosis, but it will never do so if it focuses on the effect believing that it is the cause. You have to see yourself as an energetic structure that is both cause and effect. You have been shaped by the interaction of Infinity with itself. There is no real difference between interior and exterior. They are two dimensions of the same reality, and both are unlimited and interconnected. If you truly see yourself, your intuition becomes more refined, and you understand which paths to take to unleash your potential and expand. If you believe there is a center, that you are that center, and that center decides what energetic vibration to emit, you are limited, closed, blocking the true openness that reality is. Therefore, spreading the idea that you are creating suffering and can stop doing so if you decide to is a scam. Those who spread this are scammers, consciously or unconsciously. The reality is that you must change your energetic structure, or better, the energetic structure can change itself pushed by the vibration that we call suffering, and no one will ever be able to tell you how. Only you can understand the path, and it cannot be extrapolated to anyone else. It's a real movement of the totality, a real change that involves the whole. Just the reality flowing, expanding, like always.

Yeah exactly and thanks for appreciating. If you consider the matter closely enough, you will see that it will inevitably be the first option, since if there were an entity that controls this reality, something perfectly possible in appearance, this entity would in turn be reality in a determined structural configuration caused by another set of cause-effect relationships, therefore, if you follow the line, you will only find the absence of limits. It does not matter if the cause of my pain is that you hit me with a hammer, the ultimate cause is not you, it is the limitlessness. You could say that there is no cause or that the cause is the totality of infinite reality, both are the same statement, but the second is more open or promotes more openness in the structure of the psyche. If the thought creates the suffering, what creates the thought? You? Then, what creates you? The openess is when you realize that everything is interconnected. The self is not separate from the rest of reality, nor is it its creator. It is simultaneously cause and effect; inside and outside overlap infinitely. Reality flows upon itself in infinite dimensions, you are the bubble and the whole, like everything else. Realizing this opens your structure completely. Denying the self as unreal closes it down. Accept of course but over all understand them, what they are. Then you can see the flow of reality, it's a extreme shift. Your mind is closing everything putting limits, if the limits fall, everything reveals as the flow of reality, you realize the life, the unfathomable depth. This is the real point in spirituality, not erase the self. Erasing the self is a relative idea, it's obvious. Open the self is an unlimited idea, seems the same but it's totally different The real openess make a shift even in your body, in all your structure. You realize that you were contracted the whole time, even sleeping.

@PurpleTree very interesting, I didn't know. It's truly a form of expansionism, but it's different from direct expansionism in the region. In any case, Saudi Arabia tends toward a certain openness, while Iran tends to close down more. Imo, the important thing isn't where you are, but where you're headed. Anyway, the Middle East is very complex; understanding the situation in depth is difficult.

I'd like that they are more open and free, but they aren't. The important point is that they arent expansionisnts, they don't want to extend the Sunni Saudi monarchy to the rest of the Middle East. Iran, on the other hand, wants to expand Shiism, destroy Israel, and proclaim its mortal hatred of the American devil. For me, those are essential differences. If your regime is founded in aggressive basis, then aggressions happens.