Breakingthewall

I don't know, maybe things doesn't work like that, but maybe it's possible to see deeper, let's see. Imo if all the barriers are dissolved , a lot of possibilities can be perceived. But for now I can break the barriers just for some moments and probably not totally . No they are very important questions that all of us do, suffering is a real challenge, and it exist, it's everywhere

Fear of suffering means fear of depth. Jebe wounded Genghis Khan with an arrow, and when Gengis was about to boil the enemy leaders in oil, Jebe stepped forward and said that he was the one who shot the arrow and that he requested the honor of being the first to be boiled in oil. At this gesture, Genghis named him general. We are reality, and reality expands in consciousness and beauty. Suffering is only the pain of childbirth, nothing, irrelevant. We must open ourselves to it with joy, since the beauty of depth deserves that price. Trying to evade it, like those who take refuge in the idea of illusion, only serves to dry up the mind. And when suffering comes, houses of cards fall. The only way to face real suffering is like Jebe: Give me more. The problem is that there is no choice , then it's the only wise option because the other option kills the beauty and doesn't avoid the suffering

I don't think so, when observing, it seems that reality tends toward expansion, and in this tendency, moments of dissonance occur until they equalize. It seems that everything is cyclical and restarts from an energetic imprint, also seems obvious that everything has to be coherent with the whole. This is speculation. You could call it mental masturbation or whatever, but that's what it seems like when observing. Another speculation: maybe if you achieve the absolute perspective in this cycle that perspective don't dissapear after death/restart. It seems so when that happens

@Davino Look this and tell me what do you think. Btw, if those ideas are let's say not welcome, just tell me. I don't want to contradict Leo because it's his place, and I see value in his teachings, I just want to nuance the perspective that's necessary to open up to the absolute Then: The point is that if your perspective is that you are conciousness and conciousness metamorphoses into the things that appear, these things are unreal, as solipsism proclaims. Then when you say you've realized God, divinity, this God would only be an appearance that consciousness takes on. But then, this consciousness that takes on coherent forms would need to be God to take on those forms. But if that consciousness were aware of itself as God, this very fact would be a mirage, another creation of consciousness. This impossible paradox is resolved in a very simple way: consciousness is simply perception of change from form, and when this perception occurs, it can turn inward and perceive its true nature. The fact that it is perception does not imply that it is an illusion; it implies that it is relative. Relative is not equivalent to false; it is simply relative, like any perception.

Then the infinity has a center: you. And a ground, a limit. Well, that's exactly what supposedly should be dissolved to open yourself to your true nature

Yes experience and conciousness are unlimited, I agree. What I pointed is that If you remain in the perspective that reality is fundamentally experience, you remain in the position of a conscious observer of reality. This is a center. You are observing reality; it's inevitable. The shift is taking a step back and opening the focus, collapsing the observer and the experience. Then there is no experience, there is reality, and change becomes irrelevant; it is arising that occurs. It becomes transparent. Then the absolute truth (to call it somehow) manifests, the substance from which change is made. This could be "defined " as absence of limits, that implies absolute potential, that is perceived as plenitude, positive push, absolute glory. You could say that this is just a subjective perception, and it is, but same time the absolute potential is the source of everything, is what you could call God. Anyway, maybe we are talking about the same in different ways

The point is that you can't be in coma for ever because it would be a limit. A break in the becoming. In fact you are in coma never. The becoming is transformation, it can't stop because if would be a total limit in the reality. It's ontologically impossible, anything that is in the absence of limits is unlimited, is the absence of limits itself. It could be seen from the logic and directly

It's quite sad and frustrating the difficulty to find anyone open-minded. I know that most people that are in spirituality are religious and just want to grab beliefs to feel safe and in control, but even that it's frustrating Deep argument.

@Sugarcoat another thing, I can tell exactly what happens after death. Ok ok, you all, come to tell me mental masturbator🤣🤣. But it's absolutely clear and obvious, not a mental theory, just what is obvious realizing what reality is This is super totally absolutely obvious. It is absolutely impossible for there to be a break in existence, in the flow of form. It is not a possibility, since formlessness does not exist. And form, as we see, is. There is no break; the break does not exist. There is fluid continuity without a break. And like absolutely everything that flows, it does so within a process, not from a break. There are no breaks because there are no limits; they are merely apparent. Experience is not only continuous in the fact that it is not cut off, but it is continuous in its structural basis. It changes, but from continuity. Every line of existence of the infinite lines or perspectives of reality, have infinite continuity. Let's find a comfortable position because this is infinite. it's absolutely and totally inevitable and you can see it with total clarity

The point is being able to change the perspective, this is the step 1. Try some LSD, but very little, 5 mcg, and a single toke of weed, just that. Then your mind softens a bit without entering a psychedelic trip. Then meditation is extremely easier. The shift from perspective to "no perspective" is perceived absolutely clearly, and the first time it's very strange and intimidating. Reality seems liquid; there's no point of reference. When you get used to that, it becomes normal. You are reality, not a person perceiving reality. Then, from there, you can go deeper.

Without form, reality is absolutely nothing, but "without form" doesn't exist. It can't exist. An instant of form is eternity, because if there is "no form" afterward, it doesn't pass. There will be form again. When? Always. Therefore, reality is absolute glory from form. And from formlessness, it is nothing. Formlessness is not, therefore manifested reality is absolute glory always. Unmanifested reality is absolutely nothing never. Both are the two sides of the reality, but only one exist So when this form disappears, when you die, another form automatically arises, immediately. Only that form isn't me and this form. It's another form, but its nature is the same. What I am is that nature.

Of course, divine nature, absolute, living, and full, is perceived through form. Without form, there is no difference between everything and nothing; there is no "glory," no fullness, no energy, no nothing. But the fact is that there is form. This small detail changes everything. There is form, and there always will be, because formlessness is not

They are. The form exist. What is apparent is the perspective of the experiencer, but as appearance it's real, and the form itself is relative movement of the reality, manifestation that arise. The real dissolution of the form is death, the end of the existence, understanding existence as manifestation of the reality. But manifestation always happens, because absence of manifestation doesn't happen, is out of the "happening". The nature of reality beyond the form can manifest if the form becomes transparent to itself, but there is always form, that means, perception or conciousness. They exist, but they are not the reality, are a perspective in the reality. Are real, but as a perspective Now people will tell me that this is mental masturbation, but can't be more clear.

The absolute glory is just the absence of limits. The fact of form carries limits; it's like saying that anything, a glass, a stone, is made of energy. If you were to join that stone with antimatter, it would release all its energy. If you break all limits, energy is unlimited; it's not exactly energy, it is the total inexhaustible potential that arises from limitlessness. enlightened in the mind means the change of perspective, be the totality. Enlightenment in the heart means the dissolution of the form and the openess to the substance

No, it's the absolute glory. It's unthinkable, if you step outside the closing perspective and become absolute reality, there is still another door. Perceiving yourself as absolute reality is not perceiving your essence, your nature. If experience is completely shattered and you access your nature, veiled by form, the whole explodes. The fact that here and now there are no limits manifests as unlimited totality, absolute potential. The end of the search, total power, total life, the fullness that burns you and threatens to disintegrate you if you don't return to form.

It's something very subtle. There's a final door, when there is no longer fear or attachment to thought, which is made only of perspective. It's like a game of mirrors. At a given moment, you change perspective, then you realize that you are not in a perspective but that you are the reality. Period. You are not experiencing. Experiencing is doing something, receiving something, perceiving something. You are that, period. You are the fact of the appearance of perception, the totality of what appears, its final fundament and its apparent form. You are everything, the totality. Then you can enter your final nature, your divine, absolute, total nature, the total glory that manifest due your limitlessness. That's the point; the rest is just a matter of perspective.

Let's see if you see this : the fact of perceiving that you are experiencing is the door that closes. You could say that no, that you are the experience itself, but the word: experience ,implies an experiencer. The reality is not experience, is the reality, experience if how the reality is configured now. If the experiencer and the experience collapses, there's not more experience, it's just open. You will laugh loud. Just now, exactly now, the reality in infinitely open and you are that. It's absolutely unthinkable. You could call it God, i prefer call it total, you could also call it you .The experience is an arising that is happening, and it's configuration produces the appearance of an experience, but it's just what appears. The reality is not what appears, is what allows the appearance due it limitlessness. If you acced to the whole the experience has no center, there is not experiencer then there's not an experience, it's an arising. It's absolutely and radically different

Absence of self means absence of center. The self is precisely the center, it's just a perception, the perception of the limits. It's impossible to see it until you break the limits. Then you are the same than now, it's not like you dissapear, only that there is no center, you are unlimited and the existence is arising and you are that, not a observer but the reality itself. Then conciousness is meaningless because conciousness implies being aware of. There is not being aware, it's just the reality. If you perceive that there is the fact of being aware it's because you are perceiving a center. @yetineti don't you see my point? The point is not saying that reality is not conciousness and saying that it's anything else, is understanding that conciousness implies a center, even you think that it's unlimited. It's subtle, but it's the door that closes.

That won't be a definition but the absence of definition If you contemplate it, you'll have to admit that consciousness is the perception of change. Without change, there is no becoming; there is no consciousness, because consciousness needs contrast to exist. How can something be fundamental if it depends on something else? That's called relative.

Ok, but selling weapons to both sides, encouraging violence to make money, is very similar to the policies we criticize in the US. China didn't provoke the war, but its weapons make it much more deadly. You start like that, and then, who knows, business is business. What I mean is, we already know the US is ruthless and greedy, but whoever replaces it will see how honest and pacifist they are.

no, I won't judge you because if I would be honest is mostly for fear about breaking balances and that.

Reality is not a "thing" , it's limitlessness. It's absolutely totally impossible to define or grasp it. It's quite obvious, any "thing", even something apparently unlimited like "conciousness" is limited. But anyway, maybe there are many ways to understand

I don't think that the identification of the reality with the idea of conciousness is enlightenment, in fact I'm sure about it. But maybe you don't mean exactly that. Enlightenment is the openess to your true nature, and can't be named, because it's everything. Conciousness is just an aspect, possiblity, facet of the reality, at least how i understand the word "conciousness" You can't say that the reality is conciousness because you don't know what is conciousness to the other person, for you it's an idea maybe for me another, but one thing is sure, the reality is beyond any definition, it's open

Sounds good, then enlightenment is the identification of the reality with the idea: conciousness. Not easy but not impossible

An insight is when a door opens in your mind and what was previously hidden becomes obvious.