Breakingthewall

Really I can't imagine an apple. You could try, close your eyes and imagine an apple. It's impossible. You can remember the idea of an apple, but not a apple. No apples are going to appear in your mind, try it and you will see.

If the substance of reality is conciousness, why forms and universes arise? And you, as a concrete structure of the reality now, become concious of your unlimited nature beyond the form. Without form reality wouldn't be concious of itself, it's impossible. Consciousness needs form.

Then why if you are in god mode with 5 meo you can't create an apple or levitate?

Then you had an awakening that was that people around you have not their own conciousness? It sounds like have an awakening that is than the people around you are Russian spies

thanks, then in your opinion I'm not completely lost case like the solipsists, I appreciate that But no, you didn't understand what I said, I will try to explain again. Existence is not made of consciousness. Existence is made of contrast, and contrast doesn't have to be conscious; no one needs to be conscious of it in order to exist. But from the fact of contrast arises consciousness, and since reality has no origin, consciousness has no origin or limits. But it's not the essence of reality; it's a consequence of it. To understand this, you have to break the limits of your mind in meditation and become aware of your unlimited nature. Your unlimited nature is the same whether you're aware of it or not. Existence is not reality, existence is the manifestation of reality. Existence is movement, and reality is essence, is what you are. Reality is how you manifest yourself, with infinite movements coordinated, like every thing else. Movements are coordinated because what is not coordinate or synchronized simply doesn't appear, then what is synchronized appears. And as reality has not limits, the movement hasn't also, it's synchronized to infinity, always. And in that movement conciousness arise. Arise always, because movement is always, and it's infinite always. But it's just a consequence, not the cause.

Then you watched a video in YouTube where a guy said that people are imaginary without inner experience and now you believe that. Well it's your choice but if I were you I wouldn't tell those ideas to many people out of this forum.

Well, maybe they are concious. If I am concious, and they seem the same as me, probably they are concious too😅

And why they appear walking in the street? I'm imagining them? How? Imagining needs a process, will, design

Then why other people appears in the experience? I'm imagining them? How, if I'm not aware of doing it? Then there is something out of this experience, the fact of imagining the others

what I said is against your religion?

You can be concious of your unlimited nature because you are the unlimited. The unlimited is absolute and self-conscious, but it is not consciousness. It's not intelligence, it's not creation. All of that are relative possibilities that inevitably arises due our unlimited nature, but not the foundation of the absolute. The only foundation of the absolute is absence of limits.

Ok, then you think I didn't get any results. It's a bit arbitrary to say that in a conversation about consciousness. Instead, you can argue your position, not try to belittle your interlocutor.

You told me : you could deconstruct your body and your mind if you sit very still. It's a great recommendations but I already did meditation, that's why I told you. I just wanted to explain you that if I'm talking about conciousness, etc it's because I did such things as meditation, psychedelic, etc. Maybe you want to explain that such thing as meditation exist, and I'm thankful for the recommendation, but I already know it. That's why I told you: I already did a lot of meditation. Then you answered: I don't think so. Well, in those terms it's difficult to have a debate. Anyway, I already said what I think about conciousness paradigm

Spangler seems like a contribution to sanity between Advaita and Buddhist spiritual escapism, which is mostly evasion to avoid facing life's challenges. It's something similar to the self-help of your compatriot Tolle, which sends a message that human suffering is a kind of mistake that can be eliminated in one fell swoop by focusing on the present, as zebras do. Maybe he didn't realize that the human suffering is happening now and it's a manifestation of the reality as real than the zebras hunger

@Rezo gelenidze It's most likely that the structure of existence that we are has continuity in other dimensions, or that it coexists in many or perhaps infinite dimensions, in a process that we can hardly intuit. So, in my opinion, the only thing to do is to always give the best of yourself, whether little or much, it doesn't matter, if it's all it's always a lot, if it's just a bit it's always small. There's no need to compare with external ideals, just give your all. It's better to give your all as a slave worker than being a narcissistic winner who don't give anything and take everything. Life is in great part fight, then fight and forget narcissistic ideals that our society put into our minds. We are not here to take, but to give, and we can enjoy a lot that process, that include suffering in abundance. Everything that you take is nothing, empty hedonistic illusion. Everything that you give remains, it's solid, real.

You could also imagine that you, as a god, are creating them in every detail with the sole purpose of maintaining the narrative of this realistic dream. Only what you're looking at really appears, like a set, but you do this in god mode, which is in the background. That is, you're creating this as a computer engineer, but you're blocking out that memory because being alone as a god seems boring to you. So you do this complicated choreography to make your infinite stay more interesting. But why imagining so complicated history when you could imagine the one simpler: the others appear because they are there walking and you are perceiving them as reality perceiving itself in endless dimensions The only answer would be: because I had that realization taking an hallucinogen drug. Then what you realize taking a drug is real and what you realize sober is false. This assessment could be at least discussed imo

This is a falsehood and everyone in NATO knew it. Russia had enough problems with Russia. Putting a stick in Ukraine's hornet's nest for a decade is an action whose sole purpose is to weaken an already weak Russia and promote its fragmentation, which would translate into internal wars and lucrative business deals. Regarding the international law you mention, it doesn't prohibit the installation of nuclear missile bases on your border, but that doesn't mean you're going to tolerate being cornered in that way.

Anyway, it's normal that NATO would reject Russia's entry, since Russia wouldn't enter as a subordinate of the US, but as an equal. This is absurd when NATO is really a tool of the US to dominate and control, and to weaken its adversaries, among which is Russia. But people here will say: Putin is a bad dictator; the US is a good democrat. I can go to bathroom alone.

Squeezing Russia by aligning Ukraine, a country historically linked to Russia and with around 35% Russian speakers, in NATO, is in itself an act of war. Anyone who doesn't understand this is completely dumb, and it's incredible that it seems incomprehensible to many. Especially when Putin repeatedly raised Russia's entry into NATO and was rejected. NATO seeks to divide and weaken Russia; it acts as an enemy.

Many contemporary spiritual movements repeat affirmations like: “Reality is consciousness. You are consciousness. You are immortal. You are love.” At first glance, they may seem profound, but a simple logical analysis reveals that they are nothing more than modern forms of emotional religion, structures of comfort disguised as revelation. what is consciousness outside of a form that perceives? Consciousness is relationship, not substance. “Consciousness” cannot exist as an absolute background. That would be just another subtle form of identification. In truth, outside of a relational framework, “consciousness” means nothing. Conciousness is just another manifestation of the Reality, that has infinite manifestations, all of them infinite. Difficult to swallow for a being that is "conscious"? Could be. Are you consciousness? This is not the dissolution of the self, but its transformation into a “higher” entity. The ego becomes “I-consciousness,” spiritualized. But it remains a center, an identity, an anchor point. There is no openness here, only a new form of limitation. Consciouscentric after egocentric. Are you immortal? The need for permanence is still at play. But true openness to the infinite requires letting go of that need, not disguising it. All form is impermanent, even spiritual form. The real thing comes when you die, when you renounce to yourself, to your understanding and your permanence. Are you love? Maybe, but not in the emotional sense. The love spoken of here is not an energy, not a feeling. It is simply the experience of wholeness that arises when limits are broken. Love is not a quality, it is the disappearance of lack, of the fragmentation that implies being a human. Reality loves itself in its absolute expansion, because there are no limits. That all. Real spirituality only points to the fact that everything that appears, is. And when the limits break, there is no one who wants anything, and nothing that is missing. It is the total, the unlimited. It's what arises in absence of limits. Any positive description is false, only negative description is possible: unlimited.

I'd say that with that field you mean conciousness and this is a simplification that comes from current spirituality, which is a religion that seduces with its simplicity disguised as depth

It's bit disappointing to have a conversation about a topic like conciousness and instead to try to make your point say those things like : you are not awake, etc. That put spirituality in the level of joke. Well, it's what spirituality is 😅

Matter is made by energy and energy is made by relationship between fields. What is relationship between fields? Or maybe you don't believe in science and you prefer simplify everything like: it's a dream. What is a dream?

Everything I've said is an intellectual framework that arises from openness and allows for greater openness. The point is that any small trap closes. Almost no one is completely open, and I'm not, but I understand that now I'm not because I got moments of openess. Openness is to the heart of reality, to the living totality. That's enlightenment; anything else is gray. The whole is in the heart; it is the heart. That is the absolute source of reality, and it cannot be named, precisely because it is absolute. Many barriers prevent us to be open, be human is a extreme game. People don't realize how extreme is it, how wounded and full of fear they are.

Maybe because you are a lost kid that can't open his heart , who defend himself with barriers , unable to real understanding, to real openess. Don't worries, you are not alone. In fact almost everyone is like you. Closed. That's human life.