Breakingthewall

I mean in its structure. Think of the processes and order involved in a thought, a single energetic vibration. Imagine it at a quantum level, divide it up to the Planck distance, and then continue dividing it into cause-and-effect relationships, until you find a universe and within it, another universe, endless. There is no end by definition; reality is an open system; it's inevitable.

Sure, and I'm not real, just an image in your mind. First you should understand what a thought and a mind is. You are making finite the infinite. A thought is infinite. When you see that, you will understand whats everything is

@kbone 🥱😴 I was talking about Huang po and about why he says: the reality is an infinite mind. I'm not interested is 20 k words about emotional thing, just about Huang po. Also about why he says: enlightenment in nothing that you can achieve, it's already this. My post were about that, then you mentioned my parents, I don't know why, and I stupidly answered. Just Huang po, if you can say something definite and coherent

Exactly, but not because the universe is a thought, it's because a thought is an infinite universe.

What is the difference between a thought and a universe? Seriously.

Exactly, that logic is precise. From this, it follows that existence, that is, relative motion, always occurs, since the absence of motion is "never." Obvious, right? So, what is the nature of motion? Why does motion occur? How does it occur? There is only one answer: relative to another plane, it is a change of state with respect to a reference. Without reference there is not movement , and without limits what can change is the limitlessness itself reflected in itself. Without limits, this occurs infinitely. If so, any change must be synchronized with another change, which in turn must be synchronized with another change, ad infinitum. The slightest asynchrony results in the nonexistence of that relative motion. That is, what exists does so because it fits. It is simply the movement of infinity relative to itself. What exist is only different from what does not exist in that it is mathematically possible at a given moment. Mathematics are logic and logic are relations. Existence and nonexistence are fundamentally the same. Reality is not existence, but rather existence is the inevitable manifestation of reality. Reality is the absence of limits, not the consequence of the absence of limits. You can realize this right now; your essential nature is limitlessness. It is unthinkable, it is absolute openness, and if you place yourself in the perspective necessary to realize it, you are one with the absolute, game over.

A thought involves trillions of neural connections, which in turn involve an unimaginable display of quantum relational movements, which in turn require the perfect sincronicity of the reality fields of this dimension. The thought necessary to write these lines is a synchronous and perfect movement of reality in a dimension that cannot be grasped by the mind. This is exactly the same as any other process that occurs in the universe, and in its breadth it is equivalent, since if you compare it to infinite possible universes, it is exactly the same as a complete universe. In fact, it is. Sure brother, I love you 💘

Thoughts are not an illusion. Is walking an illusion? It's a process that happens, thought is the same. When you make difference between thought and no thought you are being attached to thought. If you aren't, it's the same for you thinking or not.

It's easy, just polish your logic as a diamond, without emotional honey, then you will see through the logic. What you are going to see is just limitless. Then you can construct a more complex logic respecting the absolute transparency. The only rule is that the absolute total infinity must be clear through that logic. If some facet is dirty, you will perceive it clearly. But of course, first you must see the limitlessness

Do no thought is real and thought is unreal? Where? I'm not attached to thinking, I just see that thinking is the same than no thinking. Just another state of reality. Reality is same real in any state. Thought can describe the reality, it's what you try to do all time saying: thinking is bad. It's a thought, I don't know if you realize it

You're equating the game's meaning with your emotional assessment of it. Your emotional assessment is meaning on another level. The emotional meaning you give to a video game doesn't affect the game's intrinsic meaning. The game's meaning is that when you kill the big boss, the game ends. Your emotional meaning (just as real as the game's, but on another level) is that when you finish the game, you're happy because you're given a medal, a diploma, and every newspaper in the world talks about you, but if the big boss kill you, you would be imprisoned for life. It's very meaningful for you, because we equate meaning with emotional programming. Nothing is "very" meaningful, it's emotionally charged or not. For example, if anyone is another Galaxy finish the game, the meaning is the same, but your brain will not secrete neurotransmitters because it is not programmed that way. That programming is just meaning, cause effect relationship, same than everything else. Just seems more meaningful because some chemical process happen to make us move, just meaning in another level.

I understand what Ralston means. Thanks for suggesting I reread it, but it's not necessary. He says that humans, those poor lost children, in their childish ignorance need to give illusory meanings to their empty, sad lives, things like country, family, excellence. (Now the charming, healthy old man laughs condescendingly.) But he knows that nothing makes sense, everything is "this," straightforward, mindless. He doesn't seem to understand that absolutely everything that happens in reality follows an absolutely perfect order and harmony, that everything is synchronized from the slightest quantum vibration to a speech by Hitler. Everything has an absolute meaning, nothing is better than anything else. Even the silly things Ralston says, addressing simple and easily manipulated people, are caused by the totality of reality; they are inevitable manifestations of that totality. The fact that someone identifies with the Ku Klux Klan has infinite meaning, the same as picking a snot out of your nose. "Meaning" means cause-effect relationship. A movement means what it causes. A red traffic light means there has to be another green one, both caused by a sistem that's caused by a process that's caused by an evolution, to infinity. In short, It's caused by synchronicity. Means that absolute infinity, in its development of infinite forms, ends exactly at that traffic light, which comes from a butterfly effect of the destruction of a universe (for example), and because of this cosmic collapse, you receive a fine at home.

I guess that matters to you since you are trying to convince us about your happiness

"Thinking" is the universe, same than anything else. There is no difference between thinking and silent or a dog, they are planes of existence between infinite possible planes. To believe that conceptual thinking is some kind of silly human error and that you have to make an effort to keep your mind free of thought is to create a fundamental duality and then claim to be a master of nonduality.

you know that so confidently, but who knows, maybe things are radically different. Imo It's better empty the mind and go inside as deep as it's possible without any restrictions and preconceived ideas. What I'm talking is from direct vision, not circular though as you said. It's normal missinterpretation, no problem with that.

This work would require people who truly wanted to reach the bottom, not those who just wanted to feel better and be better than others. Perhaps one in every million. But I'm sure that they will grow exponentially given the multiple causal lines converging, people will slowly realize that there's no point in comparing with others, and that no matter how good you feel, and no matter how many stories you pretend to believe, they will soon stare death in the face. And there, mental tricks won't work; you have to go in naked. So some will strip before the moment.

@kbone I feel ridiculous about answering you, you are just a narcissist with anything interesting to say. Are you crazy? It's sad to read you You don't say absolutely nothing, just that zen is great and that you were in the Himalayas meditating and that you get along well with your wife and your brothers are divorced but you still married. It's hard reading you, a lot of extension, zero content. Maybe you should go again to the Himalayas, and congratulations to your wife, sure she is brave. A revelation: spiritual people are , well, let's say not specially smart. That's why spirituality is so low. Let's see if it's possible to reach intelligent people, times are changing, you are the past. 😘 And good luck, you will need.

Life has meaning in every dimension and perspective. For example, it can mean suffering in prison or breathing while in a coma or be depressed and then commit suicide, or weight 250 kg and eat 3 kg of ice cream by day. Every micro-vibration that appears in life has infinite significance; it's there because it's absolutely inevitable and necessary for the harmony of the whole. Every step you take reverberates in eternity. It's the flow of the dance of form, a perfect symphony, absolutely synchronized. The meaning of life is life. If you open your eyes, it's obvious. Ralston quotes Henry Miller, who was always drunk and whoring. That was the meaning of his life. And, by the way, the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn are great.

My father was a level 10 grandiose narcissist. My mother was an exile from a Muslim country, intelligent and cultured but with low self-esteem. My father played a character in which he worshipped Hitler and constantly proclaimed his eugenics ideas. When I was 10, 11, 12 he made me shower with him and he would pose like a bodybuilder and tell me: I am perfect, you are imperfect and such things. I worshipped him like a god. They both died of cancer before I turned 20. My father was a severe alcoholic and smoked 80 cigarettes a day. Right when he died, I was looking into his eyes. I saw absolute terror, and at one point, in the hospital room, I saw him floating in the darkness, with strings coming out of his limbs like a puppet, and he was making a strange squawking noise while making spasmodic movements. This filled me with absolute joy, and I started laughing nonstop. Since there were people in the room, I pretended to cry and went outside. I laughed for several minutes. I'd never been so happy. I used to feel sad about my parents, and angry about my father, because he made my mother my sister and me hate ourselves and each other, live in shame. He used to say that he was a CEO of a big company, he was a kinda of scammer. I loved him, he made me feel shit but same time instinctively I felt pity about him, so weak, and my mother also, but later I realized what my father did and I hate him with fire. Luckily he was dead. In the past sometimes I thought about them and I felt like I want to die, don't be in this form. Now it's just something that happened, a circumstance. The movement that the reality took in some moment, nothing special, just relation, cause effect. In fact I feel happy thinking about them. After he dies I went to another city alone, I started working and in 5 years I had a business, in other 3,4 I ve money enough to do what I wanted. Then I started traveling and that, but of course I always had a lot of disfuncional shit in me. I did a very serious work in what all my intelligence and intuition was involved, but was no exit. Until I found the exit, was the unlimited. Nothing else would work . Long trip , interesting adventure. That's life, depth, vastness, absolute beauty and glory of the unlimited

Why do you say such things? I was talking about Huang po. I really would like that Huang PO was absolutely enlightened and he shows the people the way, but it isn't the case. It's hard to see that everyone is wrong. I don't want to gain a competition, I want the absolute openess. I think you are projecting your human thing in me, anyone who's perceptive could see that there is not emotional drama in my opinion about Huang po No, I read what he wrote. Then Im talking about the Huang po ideas, not about his personality. Another thing: Huang po say: the reality is an infinite mind. Well, that's wrong. When he says "mind" he means relationship. A mind is relation between opposites. The reality is absence of limitations and from this the mind inevitably arises. I say that because I open myself to the unlimited more or less every day. At first was difficult, I used to do 5meo in high doses a lot, maybe 200 times, probably more. I use to do LSD , then weed and then 5meo, in the middle of the night in the dark. Was not enough. Before I used to fly in delta in extreme conditions. "Extreme" means something that now I can't believe. Why doing that shit? Same climbing very exposed, was not enough, nothing was enough, maybe im not the smarter but when I grab something I polish it until it's impossible to polish more, even it take years second by second, I can't avoid it, then, after lot of polishment something started to happen. One day in bed reality become like water, no reference, very scary. Then I went deeper and deeper in the absence of grabbing until the thing got open, without doubt. Then I understand why Huang po says that reality is a mind and what he means, it's absolutely obvious . You could stop judge about my parents and those psychological thing, I'm absolutely out of that, you can act like you believe and judge only what I say about Huang po, not your projections

@kbone I'll give you an example. Huang Po says, "Reality is an orange." This implies that he's seeing an orange, and for him, that's what reality is. He doesn't open the orange and eat it. He doesn't see what the orange is. He sees that reality is an orange without penetrating its substance. Although he claims not to have bias, he has a bias toward silence, mental concepts, and peace. So, he sees the orange, but he can't open it. He don't realize that he is the orange.

Less ego and more real conversation. Argue this: Huang Po says: Enlightenment cannot be sought or achieved because it is already there. Stop seeking and you are already a Buddha. Wrong. Your energetic configuration closes by default; it is innate. Your human glue makes you perceive in a certain way. If you want to open yourself to what reality is, you must desire it and break down the barriers until only openness remains. It's difficult, so difficult that Huang po didn't achieve it.

🤣🤣No, I'm absolutely normal in emotional sense, but I can detach myself from the human thing. If you want to see you must be absolutely simple, it's not easy, believe me. By the way, I've talked a lot about what I see wrong with Huang Po. Your answer is anything but Huang Po. That is, your response is emotional, not logical. To see, your framework must be like a diamond, not honey. Honey is sticky and opaque, although it's sweet

It is a metaphor that points to the emergence of a new dimension of reality that occurs with the appearance of humans, and that is the ego mind. Before humans, there was no mind, only instinctive life, programmed entirely by genes. With humans, a new vital dimension appears: the ego mind, which separates from matter and evolves free of the genetic structure. The ego mind is an energetic organism of enormous power that uses the processing capacity of millions of individuals, their emotional and conceptual energy, to increase in complexity at a brutal speed. If you compare the evolutionary pace of life with that of the ego, you will understand what it implies. Imagine where the ego in 200,000 years could go. Absolute mastery of reality at a quantum level, transcendence of matter, becoming an interdimensional intelligent flow that permeates reality and opens new, literally unimaginable frontiers.

Or maybe you can realize that your goals and motivations are determined by the relational flow of reality within itself, like each of your thoughts. You are not a separate entity that decides what goals you will have, but rather every minimal energetic movement of your mind is synchronized with the whole. Then you can consciously align yourself with the whole in the most perfect way possible