Breakingthewall

It's not though love, just transparent analysis. Coul be accurate or not so. I didn't ask questions, but statements about the nature of form, experience, consciousness, existence, and nonexistence. What more could someone interested in deep meditation and understanding reality want to engage in conversation? It's impossible for me not to have made subtle mistakes. The process of refinement is constant, so any feedback is appreciated, and it's so difficult to find anyone who's interested this. I'm not so ambitious, I just want to make a conceptual logical frame transparent like a perfect diamond. Of course based in the real openess to the unlimited. then any criticism in not just accepted but sought

The self is a relational structure. It's something the human psyche creates based on relationships with others. Every microgesture, approval, disapproval, belonging, rejection, social assessment of right or wrong are bricks that stack on innate structural foundations, building the energetic structure of the self. You see a person walking down the street and you see that they're composed of relationships upon relationships upon relationships. An entire interconnected energetic compendium functioning like a computer of enormous power, never stopping. It's absolutely unconscious, and it's not an illusion; it's as real as a rock, only on another plane of reality. It would be like saying that the Android program is an illusion. It's not. It's real. As a program, it works on a physical basis and executes and operates in an absolutely real way. The self is the same. You can't erase the self; you can see it. When you see it, it doesn't disappear; it's still there, but you understand it. So you seek absolute cleanliness in your relationships, directness, openness, since you want your self to be clean, direct, open. This is how it aligns and you can see through it. By seeing the self as a network of relationships, you free yourself from the need to defend or deny it; you can flow, open up, and let your structure be as clean and alive as the reality that sustains it. Freedom is not having no self, but having a transparent, open, and alive self, in direct relationship with the whole.

I said a lot of things, but you don't want to get into the mud right? Why, if you see clear and transparent, you could show me my mistakes.

The problem is not if I use or not, it's that maybe all the Buddhist tradition It's based on an error. I'm not saying this is certain, but it's a possibility. Buddhism starts from the difference between maya and reality, and from here proposes a dynamic of negating form in favor of formlessness. This has a logical basis: form traps; emptiness cannot trap because it is nothing, but perhaps it can. Meditation normally consists of discipline, repression of the impulse to create forms in order to achieve the emptiness perceived as the ultimate goal. And this may be mistaken. One shouldn't empty, but rather open up the meaning of form. It's a subtle difference. Emptying implies repressive action; opening implies a change in energetic frequency.

You could say It has, it's total because it is limitless, "nothingness" is not a pointer, it's a misleading idea. Maybe it's pointed by some people who don't know what are talking about but they need to appear whise? Just a possibility . Do you know something? There are people who are so concerned about their self image that they invent that they are enlightened and they believe that history, and it's absolutely impossible that they see the that they are creating an history. It's fascinating to see that phenomenon, not always easy to detect. It's very important to understand that this is always a possibility, because if not it's easy to get lost in the games of some people

Nothingness is a word with a meaning, means absence of anything. If we want to use the language we should use the words knowing it's meaning. If you say that the totality is a dog, but not a dog in the sense of the dogs that we know, but an infinite dog without definite characteristics, then why are you using the word dog? Better trying to explain without words that implies an idea that tends to confusion Same than stillness. Who is still is the zen master, the absolute is not still, still means absence of movement. Stillness or movement has not meaning in the absolute

@Water by the River So they call it "nothing" when they don't mean "nothing." Then maybe they complain that no one understands them? Or maybe they don't want to be understood so they can seem mysterious? Or maybe they don't know exactly what they're talking about? Maybe they just intuit it, but if you ask them directly, they'll tell you a koan or beat you with a cane until you're unconscious, because they don't know what to say Existence is the expression of the reality, non existence is the reality without expression. It's not a mystery, it's obvious: existence means change, becoming. Reality emits, or if you prefer, inevitably allows, infinite potential by the fact of the limitlessness, and what finds a synchronous relationship exists. It is movement relative to another movement, coherent perspectives in infinite dimensions reflecting each other and thus existing. You can say they are only images, but their essence is totality. Ontologically, what exists is no different from what does not exist; the only difference is circumstantial, the possible possibility. Existence or relative movement is the root of consciousness, in which reality unfolds into two planes of existence and perceives itself. Ultimate reality does not require existence or consciousness; these occur as inevitable potential given the absence of limits. Understanding is just an arising that happens in existence, has no meaning from an unlimited perspective. The unlimited has no perspective, the perspectives happen in it, but we are the essence and the arising, so we are the whole and the perspective. The totality is not understanding or hearing of perceiving, understanding, hearing and perception happens, are the same than anything else, inevitable potential developing in infinite possibilities. The real openess to our ultimate nature happens and it's perceived by the form that exist, by the becoming, but it doesn't means that the totality "wants" to perceive itself, or need it, or even is doing it. it's just inevitable arising, it happens. You could say that the intelligence that arises is infinite, it's god, infinite gods, anything. That's only arisings between infinite possibilities. The totality is total, period. You can be open to it, nothing else. The totality don't "do", doing happens in it. What we are is same time happening and totality, as any relative movement has the totality as essence. We could say that the human perspective, therefore, is not the perspective of the totality as a subject, but rather a localized manifestation of that totality, a configuration of limits that occurs within the unlimited. To attribute a human perspective to the whole would be to define the totality as a subject , reducing it to a finite form, which is a logical contradiction, since the absolute cannot have form without ceasing to be absolute. Then reality perceives itself not because it has intention or identity, but because unlimited openness allows for conscious forms that can reflect its own nature. In this recognition, there is a self, an structured relational node that appears due the infinite relation that open it's perception breaking the barriers that construct itself as a possible entity within the whole and perceives its absolute essence. The perception of the absolute is a local phenomenon. It may be infinite, as indeed it inevitably is, but it is not the absolute; it is a manifestation of the absolute. There is no mystery or koan, it's obvious and direct

Halaw said that, but it's deeply dual , that is, closed, or if you prefer, limited. Nothingness is just an appearance that is opposite to something or everything. The ultimate nature of reality is limitlessness and can't be said, thought or represented in any way. It includes nothingness, something, conciousness, unconsciousness . When I read that paragraph of halaw I perceive absolutely clear that he didn't opened that door . when hallaw he said that Buddha recognize his own emptiness, groundless, he's equating emptiness with groundless, which is not equivalent at all. Empty is the opposite of full; groundless is the absence of boundaries. Great that you don't think that the reality is conciousness, the reality is conciouss. Conciousness It's not the act of nothingness, is the act of the tao, if you prefer the tradition. If you define the tao as nothingness, you are defining what can't be defined. Here I catched you eh 😉. About you said about the pointers, they must be clean and direct as an arrow, transparent and perfect as a diamond. Any imperfection must be destroyed by the fire of the unthinkable without mercy. That's the only way to talk about this topic without being a joke

How is love for example when the guerrillas cut your arms with a knife? Then you have no arms for the rest of your life and you say that's love?

Sure But if I've already tried the apple, then I can talk about it. That's what talking is all about: expressing your experience If there is no creator, what appears is not a creation. But it's always a creator, a cause of everything that appears. You can follow the causes without end, then the reality is creating itself in it's infinite flow. How could be a reason for the creation? It just is because there are no limits, it can't not be, would be limited. That about the reason is just a opinion that you said. If you said: anything that appears is made of love, then could be possible, or at least we could talk about why or how it's love, but that about the reason is impossible. The last: what is love? Is love something? Like love someone? Love the life? What exactly means love? Maybe love means existing? Then it's not that existence is love, it's that love is existence. Existence is existence, not anything else. Don't you see the point? It's essential You said that concepts are nothing, but they are important because some concepts are a door that can be open or closed

Great to know. This topic is too fascinating, nothing else is even close.

I know, I can't avoid, I'm an unbearable smartass 😅

Yes I just argue the approach. it's right now, in the middle of the shit. Then the point is finding the way now, not imagining another better circumstances. The only way is really empty the mind for ideas bout what is and focus in the ideas of what closes, to open yourself. The path is blind, you don't know what you are going to find, then better don't think about it , maybe it's nothing, maybe everyone is wrong when they talk about it, it's a possibility.

You said that the purpose of the creation is burning in love. Then first there is a creation, so where is the creator? And he does it with a defined purpose: burning in love. What is love? What was before of your so called birth?

Why you say that if before you said that any thought is meaningless? All except this one?

Break yourself into a thousand pieces so the sun can pass through you, says Rumi. Where is the sun in your enlightenment?

@emil1234 for me the thing with psychedelic was like that: At first, it was emotional, etc., but at a certain point, with 5 meo, it was: absolute emptiness. Reality is a mirage, and beneath it there is emptiness. Infinite, it opens absolutely, and there is nothing. Or, if you prefer, there is an awareness of emptiness. It was absolutely horrible; I felt like committing suicide. Reality was dead; it didn't really exist; it was just dead emptiness. Absolutely depressing. So I had to take psychedelics again and again because I sensed that this horrible shit couldn't be everything. But every time it was the same, dozens of times. It was something so sad and so nihilistic that it squeezed your heart and froze it. It doesn't matter if you are eternal consciousness; the essence of reality is nothing, so reality is nothing. It's dead. At one point, on a trip, I realized that I was looking outside; I was an observer observing the exterior. There was nothing there. Then i changed the focus, then stopped looking, became one with nothingness, and in that same instant, nothingness opened up. It was everything. Absolute, unlimited, alive with infinite lives, shining like infinite stars, an absolute cry of joy emerging from the depths of the abyss of the limitless. Absolute freedom, absolute life, total glory. Loneliness? That idea doesn't exist. You are total, much more than any dream, impossible to think, unlimited. Then the point was reaching that openenss without 5 meo, little by little, difficult, a lot of barriers. That's why I talk so much about it like I'm an obsessive ,because it's essential, anything else is a trap

Imo real meditation is in great part facing the fear itself. Not fear to something, but fear, all human have a lot inside, it's like a main energetic barrier that builds the human psyche. It's unconscious, see it requires look inside , open yourself totally. For example, 5 meo is scary right? You talked about it in another post. For me was absolutely terrifying, a real fear

The only exit that I see is here and now. opening yourself to what reality is and placing direct perception first and preference second. Not eliminating it, but not letting it reign. The only way is openness; the other possibility is religion, and it never brings real satisfaction.

For me there are a lot of uncociouss fears. Death, absolute loneliness, many others. They make us move, without emotions we would be totally still, that's why the mystics said: be still to reach the truth, but better trying to hack the system without having to become a vegetable. There will be time when we are dead.

It seems to be the dynamic of power. Power is a possibility, so there's a niche, a gap. That gap is going be filled. It demands cruelty, ruthlessness, and an absolute focus on power, since the competition is total, so absolutely cruel beings emerge to fill that gap. There are not limits, seems that this is the dynamic of life, when something is possible, happens.

I'm not creating the dreams, they happen due some quadrillions of neural interconnections that happens due some quadrillions of relations with the whole of reality that comes from the infinite chain of cause effect or the totality . I'm floating in the flow of the reality, same than you, and every breath that happens is an effect of the whole and a cause of the whole. And it's absolutely impossible by definition knowing whats going to happen next, because it's infinite

My choice is the only choice that's not madness, the real openess. First forget absolutely all the ideas. Second, direct and deep observation of myself in meditation and psychedelics, third, staring my fear and my attachment without any decorations, 4, stare directly to death and the absolute nihilism of the reality, the absolute void of everything, as long as I can. Intuit that there is something else to see. And finally, let my structure get open, see the absolute that everything is, my real nature, the absolute depth. Then perceive it's reality, it's flow, everywhere, be one with it and enjoy life realizing the beauty and the joy of existing

If you assume ideas that have not a real foundation you are stuck. Your mental structure must be open to see, and those ideas are a limit. If you prefer keep those barriers, it's your choice, but at the end are a jail

First time I did 5 meo I was trapped in the fact of existing without scape, was absolutely horrible feeling. Then everytime I did psychedelic I had that realization until I opened it. . Consciousness is the fact of being aware of. It's not something definite but a reality. For conciousness to exist a perceptor and something perceived are needed. You could say that they collapse and only conciousness remains, but it's not true because without change there is not conciousness. Imagine the no change. You can't imagine it because everything is change. Conciousness is the perception of change, then you could deduct that there is something deeper, the nature of the change, what change is made of. Without change there is not subjective reality, no conciousness. a gap until change happens and conciousness restart, then no gap, just change You could say: in deep meditation there is not change. There are infinite micro changes that are building the experience of deep meditation You could say it's made of consciousness, as is the wisdom of Advaita-based spirituality, but this doesn't make sense. It's a misconception, like saying that without awareness of change, there is no change. The explanation would be: If you're not conscious, where is the change? A somewhat forced explanation. It's like saying: If you've never been others, others don't exist; only your field of consciousness exists. These are categorical statements based on absolutely forced premises. They close. The final realization is the absolute nature of reality, and it's not conciousness because conciousness is relative to change. It's not a "nature", it's a reality that arises due the change. A splitting of reality into two planes observing itself Someone could say: thats a materialist conception, reality is conciousness, you are not awake. That are the only arguments that can be said, and imo are too weak