Breakingthewall

I'm arguing to point a mistake that make modern spirituality a path that ends in a trap.

Easy That's the idea of no self. First, it doesn't consider that the self has a genetic basis. This is totally obvious; all the emotional mechanisms that are the structural foundation of the self are innate. Second, it assumes that thoughts are false and sensory information is real, implying that the animal state is more true and desirable than the human state. The ideal is to get rid of thoughts, which are interpretations and therefore illusions. But sight and touching are real, pure, direct awareness. The past and future are illusory; only the present exists, where you can touch, see, and hear. This is a higher category of reality, direct. The mental is illusory, unreal. Sight and that are mental images, same than conceptual ideas. Both are created by the brain . Sight is created based on photons that penetrate the retina and the conceptual world through neuronal synapses occurring primarily in the frontal lobe. Both are representations of external reality, and both are the reality. Mental reality is reality, and sensory reality is the same. The brain is reality, adopting a structure that in turn creates structures. There are no categories of reality. There is only one category: reality. Then the mind can operate like a closed system, closed in itself, as use to do, or can operate open to the flow that really is. The mental structure changes, but it is still a self, but a self that allows the flow and that recognize itself as the living flow taking a form all time, open to it's true nature. If you believe the idea that the self is an illusion, you are closed in a static idea of consciousness as a screen where the reality happens: duality

Because it's open in part and closed in great part. If it were totally open you wouldn't know the difference between a stone and a dog and you couldn't operate as a human. It's not dance around and arguing to win, it's to point that of no self is just a misunderstanding, and this is important because anyone who think that the no self is the goal is in a trap

Ah

It isn't no self, It is an open energetic configuration of the self in which the self realizes that it is the total flow of reality. It is still the human self, only it is not closed in on itself. There is an opening through which it flows without limits. Then it realizes that it is not limited to this life cycle. It sees it with total clarity, so it perceives altruism as inevitable, effortless, and egotism and narcissism as stupidity, a mistake due short sight

What is absolute is the absence of limits, and it's not something, it's the absolute openess that reality is. The manifestation of that openness is infinite contrast in motion. You could say it's immutable because it involves infinite mutations, but the reality is that it's always changing.

If it's witnessing all of them, it's related to them and is therefore just another form of relational flow. If what you're suggesting is that it's something inherently separate from relational flow, immutable, then it's an absolute limit, which would imply that reality is limited. That witness that seems absolute in meditation is a very detached mental state in which there seems to be stillness in contrast to the more dynamic usual state, but still maintaining duality.

Because any relationship inherently contains its own logic; there is no superior logic standing above it. To relate is to follow a structure of coherence that emerges from the relationship itself. Anything that happens is change; any change is contrast. That contrast generates its own internal logic, inseparable from the relation that produces it.

It may not seem logical to you because, as humans, our perspective is limited to a narrow slice of cause-and-effect relationships. We see only fragments of the infinite network of relational structures that interlock and build upon one another. But every form, every state, every transformation is logical within the framework that sustains it. What appears “illogical” is simply logic operating from a structure or perspective we cannot fully grasp. Even phenomena like two subatomic particles being in two places at the same time follow the internal logic of quantum reality. Logic is not a human invention; it is the inevitable coherence of relationships, whatever their scale or expression. Relationship are coherent, because if not they collapse, everything is synchronic without deviation. Even the chaos and destruction are synchrony form a wider perspective

The will is not free, it's absolute will. It's the inevitable movement of expansion that the reality is due it's limitlessness.

The point is to reach a state where there is no witness. The witness is always a center, and a center is an absolute limit. When the limits dissolve, the witness merges with what appears, and everything is revealed as flow. You are not the witness of the flow, but the flow itself, and in it, the witness appears as a form in the flow, perceiving itself as alive manifestation of the limitlessness

In other words: There is no ontological difference between "I" as a human and "I" as the Big Bang or "I" as an absolute being. The difference is only structural: the human is relational flow in the form of a biological organism with localized perception and energetic boundaries; the Big Bang is relational flow as the simultaneous manifestation of all initial relationships in total coherence. In both cases, "I" is the unlimited openness unfolding in a concrete form, with its own pattern of relationships. There is no change of identity between the Big Bang and the human: it is the same flow being this form now, that is infinite intelligence, infinite will and infinite relational structure that unfolds without pause. It's the manifestation of the absence of limitations. "Will" means the inevitable expansión due the limitlessness. "Intelligence" means the inevitable election of the most efficient possiblity due the absolute synchronicity of the whole. Even a drug addict do that, seeming that's doing the opposite

Yes, thank you very much for your good wishes and your help, which I need as I suffer enormously. You are a being of light with a heart that is about to burst in your chest full of love. Okay, now this is clear. We can then talk about the nature of absolute being without going into my excruciating suffering 😅

A wave in the ocean is the ocean. There are not parts in the unlimited. There is not the ocean and a superficial wave, the wave contains the totality, its the totality in the form of a wave. The totality is always expressed in a form, the no form doesn't exist, it's just the space between two forms, that's is not space, it's inexistent . The absolute being is dynamic flow without pause

Not being touched implies that there is something, the thoughts, and another thing , the pure being, that is not touched by the thoughts. It's a dual perspective that closes. The absolute being is the thoughts.

😴 No, it's not a thought, it's an energetic structure that the absolute being takes in the human form Not contain the thoughts, it's in the form of thoughts. "Being touched" implies that it's something separate than the thoughts

@Natasha Tori Maru @Natasha Tori Maru Simpler: Unlimited reality is absolute being. Reality is not consciousness; consciousness is one facet of reality. The distinction is total. The nature of absolute being is limitlessness, expressed as infinite relationships. Relationship implies change, and change is what being is. Absolute being is inmutable in its nature, that is limitlessness, and always changing in it's manifestation, that is change. Do you want to talk about this, or would you rather tell me I'm this or that?

The ego is a contracted expression of the absolute being. It is the absolute being in a limited energetic configuration. If the limits dissolve, the absolute being manifests, and the absolute being includes thoughts and silence, hence it is absolute

Then it's not ever present

I answered the two examples that you put. This affirmation is false and less is more. Both are just aplay on words, not a real paradox. The only real paradox is the one I posted above. I understand that you might be lazy to read it, but if you later find the energy, go for it!

Exactly, it's something real in the actual configuration of the reality. You can dissolve those energetic limits, but if you get in that mess of : I am pure conciousness, you can't, it's impossible. You will think that you are enlightened thinking that you are the screen where the movement happens and this is duality. All the non duality teachers teach duality Pure conciousness implies a a witness, a subject and an object. An static center where the experience happens, an experiencer and an experience.

Maybe you didn't read, I told: ok , perception is also interpretation. Then you answering putting me down without the slightest reference to my text. I don't know why I wrote it then I wrote this because I did that experiment hundred of times, let's see if you can read it, then maybe you could answer without that emotional condescendence Again: To say that "consciousness is a screen where things appear, and if you cling to them, you get lost and your nature as consciousness gets hidden" is a logical error. There is no consciousness without content: all consciousness is consciousness of something. Separating "pure consciousness" from "what appears" creates an artificial dualism. In reality, conciousness and interpretation are the same: both are relationships within the flow. Identification or closure is not clinging to a mental object, but an energetic contraction, a structural tightening of the form that generates the sense of being an isolated fragment, when in fact you are the flow itself taking this conscious form now.

Yes, the perceiver, a center, that is much better than this dirty experience and thought, so human. Nice duality. that luminous being ever present is an appearance due the becoming, the witness. Just a duality that is happening in the flow

Okay, it's how you interpret something too. Interpreting something is the flow of reality, exactly the same as seeing something. If you divide them, considering vision or touch as pure, direct, and interpretation as impure, egoic, or false, you are creating two categories of reality. One “natural” and clean, and another “artificial” and distorted. There is no artificial reality. Interpretation is exactly as real as touch; both are forms reality takes in the mind. Vision, hearing, and touch are not raw windows to “what’s out there” but relational patterns created by the brain, yet the brain itself is reality taking that form. Interpretation is another pattern of this same process. As a child, your frontal lobe is not yet developed and interpretation occupies little space; later it takes a central role, shaped by biology, also by culture and experience. Interpretation is structured in ways that trigger chemical releases as part of human genetical programming. I know the contra argument: you are conciousness and interpretation happen in you as conciousness. To say that "consciousness is a screen where things appear, and if you cling to them, you get lost and your nature as consciousness gets hidden" is a logical error. There is no consciousness without content: all consciousness is consciousness of something. Separating "pure consciousness" from "what appears" creates an artificial dualism. In reality, conciousness and interpretation are the same: both are relationships within the flow. Identification or closure is not clinging to a mental object, but an energetic contraction, a structural tightening of the form that generates the sense of being an isolated fragment, when in fact you are the flow itself taking this conscious form now.

It's not just fear, it's contraction. It's something energetic, is how your system works. It's natural being a human, even when you are a kid there is contraction. you could say that it basis is fear, but not just physical fear but need of maintaining your limits, like being in an energetic bubble. If you break it, you really perceive yourself as unlimited, because you are unlimited. When you are closed you perceive yourself as limited because you really are limited, there are energetic limits that the system that you are is maintaining. You can't break it at will, they are extremely strong, it's like an enigma to be able to dissolve them