Breakingthewall

Well, maybe they are concious. If I am concious, and they seem the same as me, probably they are concious too😅

And why they appear walking in the street? I'm imagining them? How? Imagining needs a process, will, design

Then why other people appears in the experience? I'm imagining them? How, if I'm not aware of doing it? Then there is something out of this experience, the fact of imagining the others

what I said is against your religion?

You can be concious of your unlimited nature because you are the unlimited. The unlimited is absolute and self-conscious, but it is not consciousness. It's not intelligence, it's not creation. All of that are relative possibilities that inevitably arises due our unlimited nature, but not the foundation of the absolute. The only foundation of the absolute is absence of limits.

Ok, then you think I didn't get any results. It's a bit arbitrary to say that in a conversation about consciousness. Instead, you can argue your position, not try to belittle your interlocutor.

You told me : you could deconstruct your body and your mind if you sit very still. It's a great recommendations but I already did meditation, that's why I told you. I just wanted to explain you that if I'm talking about conciousness, etc it's because I did such things as meditation, psychedelic, etc. Maybe you want to explain that such thing as meditation exist, and I'm thankful for the recommendation, but I already know it. That's why I told you: I already did a lot of meditation. Then you answered: I don't think so. Well, in those terms it's difficult to have a debate. Anyway, I already said what I think about conciousness paradigm

Spangler seems like a contribution to sanity between Advaita and Buddhist spiritual escapism, which is mostly evasion to avoid facing life's challenges. It's something similar to the self-help of your compatriot Tolle, which sends a message that human suffering is a kind of mistake that can be eliminated in one fell swoop by focusing on the present, as zebras do. Maybe he didn't realize that the human suffering is happening now and it's a manifestation of the reality as real than the zebras hunger

@Rezo gelenidze It's most likely that the structure of existence that we are has continuity in other dimensions, or that it coexists in many or perhaps infinite dimensions, in a process that we can hardly intuit. So, in my opinion, the only thing to do is to always give the best of yourself, whether little or much, it doesn't matter, if it's all it's always a lot, if it's just a bit it's always small. There's no need to compare with external ideals, just give your all. It's better to give your all as a slave worker than being a narcissistic winner who don't give anything and take everything. Life is in great part fight, then fight and forget narcissistic ideals that our society put into our minds. We are not here to take, but to give, and we can enjoy a lot that process, that include suffering in abundance. Everything that you take is nothing, empty hedonistic illusion. Everything that you give remains, it's solid, real.

You could also imagine that you, as a god, are creating them in every detail with the sole purpose of maintaining the narrative of this realistic dream. Only what you're looking at really appears, like a set, but you do this in god mode, which is in the background. That is, you're creating this as a computer engineer, but you're blocking out that memory because being alone as a god seems boring to you. So you do this complicated choreography to make your infinite stay more interesting. But why imagining so complicated history when you could imagine the one simpler: the others appear because they are there walking and you are perceiving them as reality perceiving itself in endless dimensions The only answer would be: because I had that realization taking an hallucinogen drug. Then what you realize taking a drug is real and what you realize sober is false. This assessment could be at least discussed imo

This is a falsehood and everyone in NATO knew it. Russia had enough problems with Russia. Putting a stick in Ukraine's hornet's nest for a decade is an action whose sole purpose is to weaken an already weak Russia and promote its fragmentation, which would translate into internal wars and lucrative business deals. Regarding the international law you mention, it doesn't prohibit the installation of nuclear missile bases on your border, but that doesn't mean you're going to tolerate being cornered in that way.

Anyway, it's normal that NATO would reject Russia's entry, since Russia wouldn't enter as a subordinate of the US, but as an equal. This is absurd when NATO is really a tool of the US to dominate and control, and to weaken its adversaries, among which is Russia. But people here will say: Putin is a bad dictator; the US is a good democrat. I can go to bathroom alone.

Squeezing Russia by aligning Ukraine, a country historically linked to Russia and with around 35% Russian speakers, in NATO, is in itself an act of war. Anyone who doesn't understand this is completely dumb, and it's incredible that it seems incomprehensible to many. Especially when Putin repeatedly raised Russia's entry into NATO and was rejected. NATO seeks to divide and weaken Russia; it acts as an enemy.

Many contemporary spiritual movements repeat affirmations like: “Reality is consciousness. You are consciousness. You are immortal. You are love.” At first glance, they may seem profound, but a simple logical analysis reveals that they are nothing more than modern forms of emotional religion, structures of comfort disguised as revelation. what is consciousness outside of a form that perceives? Consciousness is relationship, not substance. “Consciousness” cannot exist as an absolute background. That would be just another subtle form of identification. In truth, outside of a relational framework, “consciousness” means nothing. Conciousness is just another manifestation of the Reality, that has infinite manifestations, all of them infinite. Difficult to swallow for a being that is "conscious"? Could be. Are you consciousness? This is not the dissolution of the self, but its transformation into a “higher” entity. The ego becomes “I-consciousness,” spiritualized. But it remains a center, an identity, an anchor point. There is no openness here, only a new form of limitation. Consciouscentric after egocentric. Are you immortal? The need for permanence is still at play. But true openness to the infinite requires letting go of that need, not disguising it. All form is impermanent, even spiritual form. The real thing comes when you die, when you renounce to yourself, to your understanding and your permanence. Are you love? Maybe, but not in the emotional sense. The love spoken of here is not an energy, not a feeling. It is simply the experience of wholeness that arises when limits are broken. Love is not a quality, it is the disappearance of lack, of the fragmentation that implies being a human. Reality loves itself in its absolute expansion, because there are no limits. That all. Real spirituality only points to the fact that everything that appears, is. And when the limits break, there is no one who wants anything, and nothing that is missing. It is the total, the unlimited. It's what arises in absence of limits. Any positive description is false, only negative description is possible: unlimited.

I'd say that with that field you mean conciousness and this is a simplification that comes from current spirituality, which is a religion that seduces with its simplicity disguised as depth

It's bit disappointing to have a conversation about a topic like conciousness and instead to try to make your point say those things like : you are not awake, etc. That put spirituality in the level of joke. Well, it's what spirituality is 😅

Matter is made by energy and energy is made by relationship between fields. What is relationship between fields? Or maybe you don't believe in science and you prefer simplify everything like: it's a dream. What is a dream?

Everything I've said is an intellectual framework that arises from openness and allows for greater openness. The point is that any small trap closes. Almost no one is completely open, and I'm not, but I understand that now I'm not because I got moments of openess. Openness is to the heart of reality, to the living totality. That's enlightenment; anything else is gray. The whole is in the heart; it is the heart. That is the absolute source of reality, and it cannot be named, precisely because it is absolute. Many barriers prevent us to be open, be human is a extreme game. People don't realize how extreme is it, how wounded and full of fear they are.

Maybe because you are a lost kid that can't open his heart , who defend himself with barriers , unable to real understanding, to real openess. Don't worries, you are not alone. In fact almost everyone is like you. Closed. That's human life.

Yes sure , very still with quadrillions of processes happening. I know what's meditation btw, I meditated 2/3 hours by day many years, I was only concerned about meditation. This narrative about conciousness is advaita. Ralston, spira, adyashanty, mooji, even Ramana maharsi. It's wrong. Nobody never get enlightenment following those teachings. But what to do? This is spirituality. A mess absolutely wrong in its basis. Idealism vs materialism by kastrup, for 12 years old minds. Or the screen of spira. Or Ralston. They are not enlightened, even close. They are absolutely wrong and the fact that human spirituality has in they the higher expression shows the level of current spirituality

@Yeah Yeah the movement that you have to do is openenss. No one can guide you to do that. Forget concepts like dreams or God; they are misleading and will only trap you further. Realize that you are. delve into that fact to the fullest. Forget absolutely everything; you simply are. Open yourself to it, dissolve any concept, idea, mental barrier, intention, or projection. Only you are. Open yourself to it absolutely. Everything is in this, nothing is missing. Then you will see that forms are just forms, but anyway, pain is painful. That's life.

I'm perceiving movement right now, that's means perception: movement. If it's an illusion or not means nothing, it is

Time is just a measure for movement. Time=movement. Time itself is nothing. But movement is real, existence is movement.

Totally agree The now is in movement right? movement is time. Without movement there is not time, without time there is not existence. Existence=movement. Existence is the manifestation of the reality, not the reality itself. Reality is beyond the "happening" Then, time is made by movement and movement is made by "others". Infinite others. Without others would be stillness. There is stillness is the essence of everything, it's our nature, the void that is full of reality. But in our manifestation there is always movement, because without movement there is not manifestation, just because that, and movement=others

Can any solipsist answer the question of how it is possible for the appearance of movement, of events, to exist when only I exist? I already know the answer: because I'm dreaming it. Does no one understand the superficiality of the dream analogy? A dream implies an infinite number of processes external to your field of consciousness; a dream is reality, because the most important thing: you are not you. The you that seems to be a unit that believes it is the center is a multidimensional entity branching out into infinity, with infinite external ramifications. You are like a donkey with blinders on, allowing you to see only what you should see. You are not the donkey; you are the blinders. Reality is infinitely broader and more impersonal than what you perceive.