Breakingthewall

@Amit It surprises me how someone can call another stupid in every sentence of a conversation. demonstrates violence. be careful, that violence will one day turn against you

I would say: people fear being excluded from the sex market as much as death

@Joscha @Joscha thanks for sharing! I think that if on that trip you had had a close person with experience in psychedelics, the hellish situation would have lessened by 80%

if you make deals with the devil you always lose. but it is so tempting that it is difficult to give it up, even if over and over again we see that its reward is a fraud.

@Joscha Could you share that trip report?

@Kalo i hate weed since long time but I'm going to try ?

5 meo lately? Yes, there is only you, the one, playing a strange cosmic game with yourself

existence continues to exist, and we disappear because we never really exist

@TheDao yeah I agree, but this what you talk about is in the last 100 years, comparing with 315,000. nowadays the roles do not make sense, but you have to admit their genetic origin

is something real. In a natural environment, unspoiled, without technology, the male human will quickly bring out his aggressiveness, start war, as it has always happened, and power relations. the female human will be perpetually pregnant and the maternal instinct will come out, and the old patterns will be imposed by nature

bernard moitessier comes to mind, he was going to be the first winner of the vendee globe, after going around the world alone and nonstop on a sailboat, in the 70s, skirting Antarctica in inhuman conditions, a short distance from the Arrival, in France, I thought that the arrival, the crowd, the prize of 1 million pounds, the fame, were going to be negative, and that his peace was perfect, so he turned around and went around the world again

Great definition. There is any saint in the world? I never met any

The ego is somehow real. it is an energetic pattern, a stable set of thought, something. every time I manage to detach it more time. but as you say, what me? when the ego withdraws there is no one, since any sense of identity, projection on future, past, worry, is ego. everything is ego. without ego there is emptiness ... but a living emptiness. somehow that emptiness is a me. perceives, is, lives. the problem is that the ego comes back, and with rage. it is a life of imbalance that of alternating the perfect emptiness and the raging ego several times a day. I don't see what the middle point can be. perhaps the ego will settle down in time. maybe it's not real but it seems in fact who writes now is the ego. It is a complicated matter, the ego is necessary, the ego is me, the other alternative would be to go to a cave as a Ramana Maharshi to meditate for the rest of my life. It would be a happier life probably, but being human is also beautiful and a challenge. The ideal would be to be able to disconnect the ego at will every day. I see it possible

egos talking to egos to try to free themselves from themselves. But sometimes it works

Thanks , oh wise

well, it was an interesting conversation, who does not like could see others I think. but, op, apart from saying that any thought is not the truth, which is obvious, what else do you have to say?

Yes, thoughts are forms, and forms are appearance. the truth is emptiness. but you can realize the truth in the void, and then formulate a thought that points to that truth. It is not the truth itself but it describes it, and someone who has also realized that truth will recognize it. There is no god? Well God is a name. Void, isness, are others. It is not something so simple or so obvious, for the reason that silence and emptiness are difficult for the human monkey in need of survival. Confusion is the obvious at the end. And I'm not enlightened , only catching glimpses

Yes, as simple as seeing God in the silence of the mind and in the no shape, and being one with it. the problem is that the idiot of the town will probably fall into the delusion of the ego, and the smart one of the town too, and they will only perceive shapes and noise. What would someone enlightened do? be happy living in the presence of God, and normally have a benevolent attitude towards everything.

Realizing that the truth is in the void. Any other things are only appearance

In this link, stages of deep metitation are explained in which the death of the ego is reached and beyond. Nobody knows what happens after physical death, the most that can be achieved in this life is the absolute emptiness of the mind, which theoretically will be the closest thing to death https://paulbrunton.org/notebooks/23/8

@Javfly33 thank you! It's because I'm in the same point than you, but at the end , i start to be the emptiness at least some seconds every day, with meditation. it makes a big difference. The ego reaction is hard too

Yes, this is the problem. The i that's realize that is false and source of suffering, and wants to disappear because he knows he must, but he cannot, since he cannot make himself disappear. If he is trying, he is asserting himself. I believe that with meditation, millimeter by millimeter, he see what he is, his falsehood, and this realized daily weakens the illusion. This is the fear of the ego. He can't stop the software, because he thinks stop is death. Again meditation, millimeter by millimeter, educating the ego (the ego educating itself) to see that it can be a quiet moment that is not death, on the contrary, it is life. the ego must want to withdraw, know deeply that it is false and stop being an enemy. I don't see any other way. You have to stop being an ego, that is false and that you aren't really. And God state is another egoic projection. I think you know all of this, and you are in the middle of an ego reaction. The thing, i think, is fall in love of the emptiness. It's difficult, the emptiness is threatening. it seems the opposite of life, the ego seems life, color, activity, the void ,death, but it is just the other way around. It is not easy, the ego struggles, but I see that it supports itself less and less, it reveals itself in all its dysfunctionality. begins to assume that he must loosen the hold

you say permanent enlightenment is not possible, I suppose you think momentary enlightenment is possible, and you probably would have been there. but if you can be there for a moment, you can also be there permanently. It is a matter of detaching yourself from the ego imo. If you return to the ego, it is because you are attached to it (like me)

When you die, the human avatar, the energy pattern that you perceive you are, disappears and that's it. the infinite emptiness that you really are remains without any change. the trick is to detach yourself from the energy pattern, or ego, and focus as much as possible on the void. it has several advantages: it is real, pure, beautiful and immortal

True they try to survive , they have a clear intention, in a way that could be called ego, but also a piece of iron has the intention of remaining iron, with all its molecules exerting resistance to don't stop being