Breakingthewall

Form means differentiation, without differentiation there is nothing. Not happiness or anything else.

If there is no form, there is nothing, and in the absence of limits, form will eventually arise again. So, there will always be form. But form doesn't always have to be suffering. There are infinite possibilities. The most complex thing we know is the human form, which is quite suffering. But there may be other, less dense forms, dimensions that we literally cannot imagine. Furthermore, any other life form other than human is considerably less suffering. If you're a bird, for example, everything is perfect 90% of the time. With humans, the mental dimension arises, the ego, etc., and we already know that it's crazy, but that's not all there is to it. Perhaps it's just a temporary form. I would say that we have to give it our all here. Then, who knows?

God isn't an entity that decides things; it's an unfathomable hole from which existence springs. Forms are created and destroyed in an infinite dance. So there are two options: either you dance aligned with the flow and open to it's depth, or misaligned and closed. But you'll dance anyway.

If we want to open ourself to the absolute, we have to kiss Kali, the goddess of destruction, open your heart to her. Kali is the living form of the bottomless. It is the aspect of reality that breaks down structures, because unlimited openness does not tolerate confinement. Where the self tries to assert itself, Kali cuts through it. Not to negate form, but to liberate its essence. Kali is wild, as the existence, dance of creation and destruction without mercy, if we deny the destruction and suffering, we are closed to the unfathomable. Form is yin and yang, and it's impossible that there is no form. No choice.

Sure, today in the news in my country, it was reported that two Pakistani sisters refused to marry the men their father had ordered. Since they were in Europe, they couldn't do anything to them. Instead, they tricked them by saying their grandmother was sick. They went to Pakistan, where their brothers were waiting to strangle them to death. The Pakistani court acquitted them because their parents forgave them. It seems that women there are like cattle, someone's property, so if that person forgives the murderers, there's no crime. Now they're on trial here, not for murder, but for forced marriage.

I'll give you an example: the Assyrians were very son of a bitch people. They had a torture system where they would put a guy in a box, and only his head and hands would come out. They would leave him in the countryside with two guards who would force him to eat and drink. Then the insects would arrive, and after a few days, tens of thousands of them would devour him. The idea was to keep him alive for a month being devoured by insects Well, this horrible shit, being open to the total is infinitely better than being in your house in a city, isolated, and surrounded by energetic walls that isolate you until you die of old age.

There is only one definition: I am that. And it's the absolute, open, total, bottomless depth. And from it the existence explodes with the power given of the limitlessness, that is total. The source of the reality is a hole without bottom, but this hole is full of everything, because it has not bottom

In contrast to your poem, some logical description, let's see if you see it Absolute openness is not a thing, nor an entity, nor a form. It cannot be defined positively without betraying its nature, because every affirmation creates a limit, and absolute openness is precisely the absence of all limits. It is not a substance, nor a void, nor a being, nor a consciousness. It is nothing that can be conceived in opposition to anything else. It is not “nothing,” because nothingness is the negation of something, and this already establishes a conceptual border. Nor is it “something,” because something is differentiated from other things, and all differentiation implies relation and limitation. It is not emptiness, because emptiness only has meaning in contrast to fullness, and that duality is impossible at the level of the absolute. But it's the absence of lack, because the openess is absolute potential. Maybe you could call it God, but not because it's a creator, but because is the source of any possibility

Good point, to say that the absolute is infinity is a mistake. The absolute is the absence of limits. It is not something, it has no dimension, it is neither empty nor full, it is total openness. Infinity would be an inevitable consequence.

In my opinion, he's approaching the issue backwards. He says: Infinity can only create logical things; anything illogical cannot exist. Rather, it would be: everything that manifests is relative, that is, relational. Every relation is logical, since they are two equivalent words. And that's it, there's no need of more. When he speaks of nothingness, it's the same. Nothingness is the absence of contrast or movement. Nothingness is ontologically the same as everything; nothingness is unmanifested reality, the absence of relationship, and "somethingness" is manifested reality, contrast. Since there are no limits, at some point there will be contrast, fluctuation, or relative movement. That moment is always, and its unfolding is unlimited.

I don't know, maybe things doesn't work like that, but maybe it's possible to see deeper, let's see. Imo if all the barriers are dissolved , a lot of possibilities can be perceived. But for now I can break the barriers just for some moments and probably not totally . No they are very important questions that all of us do, suffering is a real challenge, and it exist, it's everywhere

Fear of suffering means fear of depth. Jebe wounded Genghis Khan with an arrow, and when Gengis was about to boil the enemy leaders in oil, Jebe stepped forward and said that he was the one who shot the arrow and that he requested the honor of being the first to be boiled in oil. At this gesture, Genghis named him general. We are reality, and reality expands in consciousness and beauty. Suffering is only the pain of childbirth, nothing, irrelevant. We must open ourselves to it with joy, since the beauty of depth deserves that price. Trying to evade it, like those who take refuge in the idea of illusion, only serves to dry up the mind. And when suffering comes, houses of cards fall. The only way to face real suffering is like Jebe: Give me more. The problem is that there is no choice , then it's the only wise option because the other option kills the beauty and doesn't avoid the suffering

I don't think so, when observing, it seems that reality tends toward expansion, and in this tendency, moments of dissonance occur until they equalize. It seems that everything is cyclical and restarts from an energetic imprint, also seems obvious that everything has to be coherent with the whole. This is speculation. You could call it mental masturbation or whatever, but that's what it seems like when observing. Another speculation: maybe if you achieve the absolute perspective in this cycle that perspective don't dissapear after death/restart. It seems so when that happens

@Davino Look this and tell me what do you think. Btw, if those ideas are let's say not welcome, just tell me. I don't want to contradict Leo because it's his place, and I see value in his teachings, I just want to nuance the perspective that's necessary to open up to the absolute Then: The point is that if your perspective is that you are conciousness and conciousness metamorphoses into the things that appear, these things are unreal, as solipsism proclaims. Then when you say you've realized God, divinity, this God would only be an appearance that consciousness takes on. But then, this consciousness that takes on coherent forms would need to be God to take on those forms. But if that consciousness were aware of itself as God, this very fact would be a mirage, another creation of consciousness. This impossible paradox is resolved in a very simple way: consciousness is simply perception of change from form, and when this perception occurs, it can turn inward and perceive its true nature. The fact that it is perception does not imply that it is an illusion; it implies that it is relative. Relative is not equivalent to false; it is simply relative, like any perception.

Then the infinity has a center: you. And a ground, a limit. Well, that's exactly what supposedly should be dissolved to open yourself to your true nature

Yes experience and conciousness are unlimited, I agree. What I pointed is that If you remain in the perspective that reality is fundamentally experience, you remain in the position of a conscious observer of reality. This is a center. You are observing reality; it's inevitable. The shift is taking a step back and opening the focus, collapsing the observer and the experience. Then there is no experience, there is reality, and change becomes irrelevant; it is arising that occurs. It becomes transparent. Then the absolute truth (to call it somehow) manifests, the substance from which change is made. This could be "defined " as absence of limits, that implies absolute potential, that is perceived as plenitude, positive push, absolute glory. You could say that this is just a subjective perception, and it is, but same time the absolute potential is the source of everything, is what you could call God. Anyway, maybe we are talking about the same in different ways

The point is that you can't be in coma for ever because it would be a limit. A break in the becoming. In fact you are in coma never. The becoming is transformation, it can't stop because if would be a total limit in the reality. It's ontologically impossible, anything that is in the absence of limits is unlimited, is the absence of limits itself. It could be seen from the logic and directly

It's quite sad and frustrating the difficulty to find anyone open-minded. I know that most people that are in spirituality are religious and just want to grab beliefs to feel safe and in control, but even that it's frustrating Deep argument.

@Sugarcoat another thing, I can tell exactly what happens after death. Ok ok, you all, come to tell me mental masturbator🤣🤣. But it's absolutely clear and obvious, not a mental theory, just what is obvious realizing what reality is This is super totally absolutely obvious. It is absolutely impossible for there to be a break in existence, in the flow of form. It is not a possibility, since formlessness does not exist. And form, as we see, is. There is no break; the break does not exist. There is fluid continuity without a break. And like absolutely everything that flows, it does so within a process, not from a break. There are no breaks because there are no limits; they are merely apparent. Experience is not only continuous in the fact that it is not cut off, but it is continuous in its structural basis. It changes, but from continuity. Every line of existence of the infinite lines or perspectives of reality, have infinite continuity. Let's find a comfortable position because this is infinite. it's absolutely and totally inevitable and you can see it with total clarity

The point is being able to change the perspective, this is the step 1. Try some LSD, but very little, 5 mcg, and a single toke of weed, just that. Then your mind softens a bit without entering a psychedelic trip. Then meditation is extremely easier. The shift from perspective to "no perspective" is perceived absolutely clearly, and the first time it's very strange and intimidating. Reality seems liquid; there's no point of reference. When you get used to that, it becomes normal. You are reality, not a person perceiving reality. Then, from there, you can go deeper.

Without form, reality is absolutely nothing, but "without form" doesn't exist. It can't exist. An instant of form is eternity, because if there is "no form" afterward, it doesn't pass. There will be form again. When? Always. Therefore, reality is absolute glory from form. And from formlessness, it is nothing. Formlessness is not, therefore manifested reality is absolute glory always. Unmanifested reality is absolutely nothing never. Both are the two sides of the reality, but only one exist So when this form disappears, when you die, another form automatically arises, immediately. Only that form isn't me and this form. It's another form, but its nature is the same. What I am is that nature.

Of course, divine nature, absolute, living, and full, is perceived through form. Without form, there is no difference between everything and nothing; there is no "glory," no fullness, no energy, no nothing. But the fact is that there is form. This small detail changes everything. There is form, and there always will be, because formlessness is not

They are. The form exist. What is apparent is the perspective of the experiencer, but as appearance it's real, and the form itself is relative movement of the reality, manifestation that arise. The real dissolution of the form is death, the end of the existence, understanding existence as manifestation of the reality. But manifestation always happens, because absence of manifestation doesn't happen, is out of the "happening". The nature of reality beyond the form can manifest if the form becomes transparent to itself, but there is always form, that means, perception or conciousness. They exist, but they are not the reality, are a perspective in the reality. Are real, but as a perspective Now people will tell me that this is mental masturbation, but can't be more clear.

The absolute glory is just the absence of limits. The fact of form carries limits; it's like saying that anything, a glass, a stone, is made of energy. If you were to join that stone with antimatter, it would release all its energy. If you break all limits, energy is unlimited; it's not exactly energy, it is the total inexhaustible potential that arises from limitlessness. enlightened in the mind means the change of perspective, be the totality. Enlightenment in the heart means the dissolution of the form and the openess to the substance

No, it's the absolute glory. It's unthinkable, if you step outside the closing perspective and become absolute reality, there is still another door. Perceiving yourself as absolute reality is not perceiving your essence, your nature. If experience is completely shattered and you access your nature, veiled by form, the whole explodes. The fact that here and now there are no limits manifests as unlimited totality, absolute potential. The end of the search, total power, total life, the fullness that burns you and threatens to disintegrate you if you don't return to form.