Breakingthewall

@Javfly33 thank you! It's because I'm in the same point than you, but at the end , i start to be the emptiness at least some seconds every day, with meditation. it makes a big difference. The ego reaction is hard too

Yes, this is the problem. The i that's realize that is false and source of suffering, and wants to disappear because he knows he must, but he cannot, since he cannot make himself disappear. If he is trying, he is asserting himself. I believe that with meditation, millimeter by millimeter, he see what he is, his falsehood, and this realized daily weakens the illusion. This is the fear of the ego. He can't stop the software, because he thinks stop is death. Again meditation, millimeter by millimeter, educating the ego (the ego educating itself) to see that it can be a quiet moment that is not death, on the contrary, it is life. the ego must want to withdraw, know deeply that it is false and stop being an enemy. I don't see any other way. You have to stop being an ego, that is false and that you aren't really. And God state is another egoic projection. I think you know all of this, and you are in the middle of an ego reaction. The thing, i think, is fall in love of the emptiness. It's difficult, the emptiness is threatening. it seems the opposite of life, the ego seems life, color, activity, the void ,death, but it is just the other way around. It is not easy, the ego struggles, but I see that it supports itself less and less, it reveals itself in all its dysfunctionality. begins to assume that he must loosen the hold

you say permanent enlightenment is not possible, I suppose you think momentary enlightenment is possible, and you probably would have been there. but if you can be there for a moment, you can also be there permanently. It is a matter of detaching yourself from the ego imo. If you return to the ego, it is because you are attached to it (like me)

When you die, the human avatar, the energy pattern that you perceive you are, disappears and that's it. the infinite emptiness that you really are remains without any change. the trick is to detach yourself from the energy pattern, or ego, and focus as much as possible on the void. it has several advantages: it is real, pure, beautiful and immortal

True they try to survive , they have a clear intention, in a way that could be called ego, but also a piece of iron has the intention of remaining iron, with all its molecules exerting resistance to don't stop being

of course they are conscious, but they have no ego. They don't care if you cut them and dry

the ego doesn't exist because it is the illusion of separation, and enlightenment is the interruption of the illusion, when you see that there is no one separate trying to get enlightened, it was a kind of strange magic trick. but still there is perception, so still a kind of "me"

I think there is a third approach, which would be: there are things like: the need for control, the need to understand and label, the need to "be someone", which create an illusion of separation and this illusion creates a prison in which I am prisoner. I want to be free, so I'm going to observe my jail, identify its bars, know it perfectly, so that I can enter and leave it whenever I feel like it. I don't worry about myself, I am what I am and that will not change, I perceive it naturally when obstacles disappear. I worry about my jail, since it is not fixed, it changes and I can avoid it

suffering is of the ego. If you transcend the ego, you transcend suffering. you stop being trapped in the trap that you are, and you free yourself. It is not that you dont fall into the ego trap again, it is that it was never real, an appearance kept you trapped, and the suffering was a distortion between what is and what you projected as "it should be". Regarding different lives, all lives are the same, there is no you that comes out of the wheel since individuality is appearance, it is not real.

@Someone here You are baking the cake, and when it is ready it will be time to flambé it with a flare of 5 meo. @James123 you are right. psychedelics are not there to seek experiences. These can occur but its usefulness is another. is to detach the ego from you. Without them, that detachment for a moment that makes you see the deception in which you are immersed can be almost impossible. If you use them as a tool for this purpose, their usefulness is enormous. my mind 10 months ago that was when I started with this process, and now, they are two different worlds. There is still egoic mucus stuck like a helmet on my head, but I take it off every day. The emptiness is intuited every moment, the meditation is increasing every day, and self-referential madness is the twentieth part. thanks to the tremendous help from this forum as well. There was never anything more useful for the search for the truth, in the history of humankind. it is not little imo

For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

enlightenment for me is being one with the truth. Why are you not one with the truth initially? because you have been prey to the false. so you have to do a job, which is to eliminate the false in you, it is not enough to do nothing. The usual thing is that this falsehood causes you suffering, so you look for ways out. Dissolving the ego is the key, but it is the ego itself that sees this, so it is difficult for the ego to eliminate itself. you can understand yourself, what a job is, and then silence yourself with meditation as much as possible, hour after hour day after day. this is another job. And even doing this, the false will continue to exert its force since it has occupied almost your entire person, it will take psychedelics, gift of God, to really dissolve the falsehood and be able to see for a moment, identify the false and intuit the truth. so the opposite of doing nothing, you have to do a lot, with determination, since you have to undo what has been done your whole life

everything is real. the illusion is also real. the question is: what is true and what is false? the world of appearance is false in the sense that you are not a separate living entity. this is a magic trick as it is not true .it is literally a dream and hard to see as the mind is software that works all the time to create that trick

meditation is the key. when you meditate forces the mind to slow down. If you reach absolute void, great, but if you don't, and only cut the activity to half, you will have done something. I prefer to do several sessions, and in different places, since I cannot afford the same silent place. Several sessions work better for me since the second is easier than the first, and the third even more. I would like to get to about three hours a day, or at least 3 sessions of 45 min each one, it does not seem too much, the matter is important, anything that is not a free mind is shit. For now I'm doing the half , the benefits are big but it isn't enough

meditation focusing on the fact that I am empty. only emptiness is real, content is fake

It sounds so christian

It seems that God does things at his own pace, right? a few billion years for the bacteria to begin to organize themselves into more complex organisms, another thousands more until after countless attempts the human emerges, and now the human trying to transcend the ego. You don't understand but you're aiming to understand. creativity goes step by step, even God's

because it is an illusion, unreal. and the greatest illusion is you, that you don't exist. It is not a metaphor to understand the matter, it is so literally. something really shocking. Questions like, how or why, appear, I doubt they have an answer. The only sensible thing is, since everything is illusion, let's try to see it, undo the illusion and penetrate to the depths. why? because once seen that it is an illusion, doing something else makes no sense

Well, one would have to ask what is perceiving. Maybe more than perceived, realized @James123 True, in the silence is the answer and it cannot be communicated

@James123 absolutely agree. what we perceive is appearance, it is not real. Even we are only appearance. if the mind stops the appearance fades and remains ... what? what exists and always has been, the only thing there is, what we are, alone. but is that nothing?. I only had some glimpses so i couldn't say

Yes, the reality is that there is nothing, our whole existence is a kind of false perception of individuality, if you go deeper you see that there is no individual. as vegan awake says nothing matters .... but .... why are we here doing this job? for the love of the truth? It may be in part, but the reality is that we are in this to escape the trap. Those who are somewhat intelligent have realized that the rat race that has death as its prize is not a very good business, and they have wanted to see if there is any escape from that practical joke ... and the good thing is that there! So nothing matters, from a global perspective, but I do care to continue in the rat race like a fool, although in the end there is no such thing as "me", or the race, or anything. veganawake and james 123 think they have reached the bottom, to the root of the mystery, and that the solution is that there is nothing, and never was. I have also seen that, but then I have also seen that there is something. here I am writing. which is not real? somehow it is. nothing is playing with itself a strange game, to hide to be found. I see what it is not, like vegan and james, but what it is is missing. part of the equation escapes you. It is true that if you remove layers at the end there is nothing left, that certainty that you have never existed, but obviously you can go deeper still

Mushroom therapy could work wonders for you. it takes some courage but the benefits are huge

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Yeah, in your planet and in mine, meditation is the key. In the Silence is the answer, in the words, only confusion

I'm not saying what is better or worse, i see it from the practical side. I have repeatedly seen that once the ego collapses, there is freedom all, without time. the wonder of the void. but it is impossible for me not to fall back into ego madness after a short time, and then it is difficult to detach the madness of self-referring thoughts. It's not about be spiritual or not, it's about freedom, quality of life. Well , meditating more and more is the way, I think