Breakingthewall

@zazen You are not a drop in the ocean You are the ocean in a drop Rumi Or if you prefer: Ana al haqq. I am the truth. Al Hallaj. The purest mystic, the one who's direct as an arrow, the one who's open to the absolute and is one with it. Ana al haqq , let's analize "I". Who? No one? No, I, that is, that exists :"Sat" "Am". That stands out, that appears, that knows itself: "Chit" "The truth". the totality, the openness, the absolute without edges, center or bottom. The absolute freedom, the absolute glory: "Ananda"

Perhaps you're the one who doesn't understand what the self is. It's real, as a self, just as the body is real. The self creates experience by dividing reality into sections in order to operate; it's an energetic software. If you transcend the self, you realize that reality is total, without divisions, absolute. But the one who realizes this is the self, which recognizes itself as a construction that is occurring. It's not unreal; the idea of "unreal" comes from the self trying to divide things into real and unreal. Nothing is unreal; reality is

In Sparta, to prevent that, they made you fight adult bears for food from the age of four. Since we are not fortunate enough to have Leonidas teaching us that pain is our friend, we have to educate ourselves by deliberately and consistently exposing ourselves to absolutely unpleasant situations, trying to avoid them being fatal.

The thing is that the mind and the matrix is the absolute. Everything that appears is that. The mind is extremely difficult to align, but it's possible. Reality always manifests itself, and now it is manifesting as your mind. That mind originates from structures focused on survival and reproduction, which in human beings unfold in countless nuances. That mind is the structure of the universe in a hyper-complex form that has the potential to perceive its absolute nature. No mind is impossible now because you are now a mind. You may believe your mind is silent, but it is operating, comparing, evaluating, at subconscious levels. The slightest deception, such as assuming the mind is "something else," closes the door. It's very subtle. The mind is what perceives the absolute. Without a mind, you are unaware of anything, in fact you are a mind now. The mind is "knowing" in the sense of perceiving, of being conscious. Without a mind, you are not conscious. Then the mind is the eye of the absolute perceiving itself, so deny de mind is a door that closes. The mind is what creates time and separation, then consciousness arises. No time and no separation is impossible being a mind but transparent time and separation is possible. The mind has to operate without center and without contraction. The problem is that the emotional sistem is contraction that creates a center so a movement is needed, a very deep change that reformulate all the emotional structure, and the only way to do that is achieving moments of total openness. Day by day, month after month, the mind restructure itself until it's transparent, not contracted, then it's a mirror of the absolute

Before enlightenment chop wood wiith 50 layers of energetic emotional operating system creating tension. In fact, you chop wood driven by that tension. After enlightenment, chop wood with a mind as clear as the open sky. In fact, maybe you stop chopping wood and do something completely different, something that's in tune with your potential, not chop wood all day like an obsessive to show the world how much wood you can chop

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Enlightened is being open to your true nature now, it's an energetic shift. Now I'm not enlightened, but this morning I was "enlightened" a couple of hours and this afternoon just a while. Enlightenment is when form becomes tenuous, like a transparent hologram, and essence manifests. Essence is neither love nor will; it is total openness, which is not "something," but you are that. You cannot define it; you could say it is the potential that contains everything without being anything, without dimension or quality, but still is total. Then form becomes non-essential, irrelevant. Experience is irrelevant; it is simply a possibility that is equivalent to any other. Simply ceaseless change on the surface and total, immutable "depth" at its core. And the most shocking is that being conscious or unconscious is also irrelevant, you open your heart to death because it's the same than life. Not to another life, to absence of consciousness. It's the same than consciousness. Then in that state, or energetic structure, this depth is everything, you are that, it's not someone, not a center, it's sat chit Ananda. Sat, what is. Chit, evident, that stands out, Ananda, the total freedom, the perfect "happiness" without stain , maybe better total absence of contraction of the unlimited Then from the human structure, that's is very deep, alive, connected, you can understand what is the structure of the movement, why it is happening, because the human structure is open to the openess then it's obvious that the openess makes inevitable the infinite unfolding of the form. But one thing is the flow and another the substance. Not in the sense of they are separate but in the sense that are two different aspects of the reality. You can't understand the essence because "understand" is form, but you can understand the form. The form is relation without end, and there is not a creator, it's inevitable because there are not limits. God is the absence of limits that is same time openness that is and infinite unfolding of change in infinite dimensions, without end. Then you see clearly that if your human form ends, you are the totality, it's not like : after I'm going to live another life. "After" only has meaning from this form. Understanding only has meaning from the human structure, really it is absolutely irrelevant, means absolutely nothing, but as a human it's absolutely fascinating. .

Exactly, what you are being is an energetic node created from countless structural layers of reality called the human self or if you prefer, the experience. it is a manifestation of reality, and as such, it is the essence of reality manifesting itself. Enlightenment is opening up that tension that converges at a center so that the total nature of reality can manifest. It is not a creator, nor a center, nor an intelligence, nor a will; it is a total opening that exists because it has no limit. Enlightenment is not a realization; it is an action, a shift in the frequency of the self. Who is "enlightened" is the self, being enlightened means being a human self that's open to it's absolute nature.

Relationship means change. Any change is a relationship between states, a fluctuation. I don't think I'm struggling, just trying to transmit a vision. I'm not trying to capture, but understand the dynamic, it's different. Sure, try to see what im pointing. No, "you" are a human construct that implies a center. Reality is centerless. That is the challenge, not another.

Change is relationship, is the inevitable fluctuation that happens due the inherent Instability of unlimitedness. There cannot be a stable state without limits that contain it. Change happen without other, it's inevitable. "Other" happens Because relationships/vibrations/changes of state overlap in infinitely coherent patterns, creating dimensions upon dimensions, space, time, consciousness, universes upon universes. "You" are not doing that "for" you are that. It is incredibly difficult to understand the absence of self from the perspective of the self. There is no center or intentionality; that would be limiting. There is an explosion of coherent relationships in all directions. Seeing this is not enlightenment; perceiving from the human self what you essentially are, is. You are total openness. Anything else you perceive, such as a creator with intention, is a projection of the tensional energetic node we call the self. But the point is not knowing that you are total openness, is perceiving now what total openness is. The human self is an eye of the absolute looking itself. It doesn't happen because the absolute "wants" but because there are not limits.

What we call experience is the flow of change taking a dual form, a self-preserving system within another system in constant flux. The self-preserving system we call life divides change into events to orient itself. This is experience, but ultimate reality is what makes that constant change inevitable, not change itself. Change is manifestation; the essence of change is limitlessness. Limitlessness is reality; change is the relative movement that inevitably appears within it.

Consciousness is the reality in an specific configuration. Consciousness arises from what we call life, and life is a self-organizing system that needs to preserve itself within another system governed by laws called the universe. Life, that is just the next phase of complexity after the complex molecules, creates duality within the cosmos, and with it the possibility and the need to perceive. This creates complex structures called brains that create a model of virtual reality to optimize their permanence. Everything in the universe "wants" to remain, from an atom to a living being. Same than everything "wants" to organize in more complex patterns. This happens due the inherent instability due to the absence of limits. Everything tends toward stability and persistence, which at the organismic level becomes ‘wanting". Complex systems tend naturally toward the emergence of new stable configurations, because unlimited degrees of freedom generate inevitables reorganizations and those that are coherents remains. These brains undergo a phase shift and give rise to the mind, which operate with symbols and creates symbolic worlds, thus creating a representation of the individual who wishes to remain interacting with other individuals through an emotional and symbolic system. We call this interface virtual world consciousness. It is simply reality unfolding in two. Consciousness is the reality "knowing" itself.

God is the essence that underlies everything. It is not a substance, not consciousness, not will, not something, and yet it is not nothing; it is limitless, it is openess, and it's everything . It does not happen; happening is a possibility within it. It is within every form, and every form is within it, and you, the human form, can know it, because you, the human form, are "knowing." You are God seeing itself from within duality. But to see yourself, you must be able to remove the veils of form. It is not so difficult; simply let go of everything: consciousness, permanence, time, and movement. Then the door opens, and the obvious manifests.

God don't want, only you want. God is openess without center, and seems that nobody can be open to it without get in panic and invent some grip to feel safe. God is the death of the self, it's the dissolution in the abyss, the no foundation, the absolute no form, the non thinkable, non definable. God is what the self want to avoid.

Not to argue, just my view: God is not an actor who performers actions, it's unlimited, period. It's very different. God being a trickster tricking implies an entity who has intentions, and that is a relative form, a God, not God. God is just openess, and due it openess it is, nothing else. Not intentional, no preference, just open in absolute glory, unlimited. If you are unlimited now, you are free, if you were unlimited 5 minutes ago but now you are limited by the identity, you are not free. Freedom is what happens when the self takes a coherent structure where it doesn't identify, doesn't need permanence, then it gets transparent and the absolute manifest

There is not duality between different realities, there is form and the foundation of any form is the absolute. The form is the absolute taking a form. "Knowing" is a form, it's relative. Duality is the absolute being dual. There is not maya, It's a self that can be veiled or open . If there in not a self, for example if there is an atom, it doesn't know, it has not experience, but it is the absolute exactly that if it is anything else. Experience happen in life because life is dual, it's a configuration that happens that creates experience, but deep down it's the same than no experience, it's the absolute.

You don't deceive yourself because you are not someone who does things, you are the absolute openess where the form arise because there are not limits. It's an important nuance. Depends, you are free now and one hour later you are again submerged in the molasses of the self. The self knowing it is the absolute is not freedom. The transparent self letting its absolute nature manifest is freedom. The one who knows it is the absolute is the self; the absolute does not know; knowing is relative. The absolute is absolute. The self believing it is God playing games is another layer of identification.

More ideas about the self: Enlightenment is structural. It occurs when the mind achieves a sufficient degree of internal coherence. The self ceases to sustain contradictory tensions and becomes transparent. Then, absolute openness is recognized through the human form.

Yes I know , just pointing some ideas about the self and about knowing to anyone who wants to read them

@VeganAwake let's see, what you say about the self being unreal needs to be qualified. It's a transient structure, an energetic tension made of the desire for preservation, of memory, which produces an image of an individual moving through time. A creation of evolution to maintain a coherent, hyper-complex pattern. The point is that this self can understand what it truly is, since it is something. The self will never disappear since you are alive; it will become transparent by relativizing its importance, receding into the background. But in doing so, the reality of what it is manifests itself; it is the absolute openness that is the source of everything. This is not another, superior self, but the absolute essence that is outside of time, which is not something, but rather absolute potential, the bottomless well where everything appears because it has no bottom. And why the self can see what it is and absolute? Because the self is the absolute in a form, like anything else. The self is not an illusion, it's an structure that the reality takes, same than an electron or a star, but the self has the particularly that can "know". Why the self can know? Because the self is an is what emerges from the complex structure called life in which reality separates itself by creating a self-preserving system, plus the appearance of the symbolic mind that occurs when that life surpasses a threshold of coherent complexity. Then the self is the absolute knowing itself. Not an illusion. Knowing not as a center who knows, but as a reality that happens, same that a photon happen, or a molecule happen, recognition happens. Just a happening, like any other movement of the reality

Let's see, nothingness is a word that means absence of anything. The absolute could be defined as the absence of limits. The point is, anything, even space, time, the so-called quantum void, the fields of reality, light, ,is made up of limits. It's relative to. It doesn't exist without contrast, opposite, relation, reflection. So you could say that the absolute is nothing, because it is unlimited, then it is not relative to, not opposite to. But precisely because any limitation is impossible, it's open. In fact it's absolute openess, that is a synonym of absolute potential, that is synonym of everything. Absolute openess makes inevitable the relative forms. But absolute openess is not "something". Not a substance, not Infinity, not a field, not change, not a dimensión, not energy. But it's open, nothing can block it, then it's everything. Can't be limited to be "nothing", or a single thing, or a void. A fluctuation will appear, a change of state , a coherence, a possibility, then another, and another But this is a metaphor, It doesn't happen sequentially; rather, coherent relationships are always unfolding creating infinite dimensions, which is also an interconnected absolute where inside and outside are the same, since everything contains the totality of reality and is simultaneously contained within it. A quantum vibration unfolds its causality without limits and moves the totality of form, and at the same time, it is the consequence or creation of the infinite coherent relationships of reality. Then, in short, you, as an individual, can be open, or transparent, to your true nature, the openess, the absolute potential. You will perceive it as what you are, but it is not something, it's open, total.

I mean that we are existing in a space time dimension, that's not an illusion, it's the universe that emerged now. But any emergence emerges from the absolute, or in the absolute. It's a manifestation of the absolute potential. The absolute is not exactly infinity because infinity implies vastness, it's not dimensional, it's limitless. Dimensions happen in the absolute, then the absolute underlying everything, anything that exists is a coherent expression of the absolute, which occurs because there are no limits. As humans we can open ourselves to our absolute nature and be the absolute in a human form, then some clarity can happen because the attachment to the form dissolves a bit and it lets you see some glimpses through the emotional molasses of human identity

Just trying to have a conversation

Human thought can be a direct channel of the total coherence of reality. The problem is that the human structure is emotional, tribal, and focused on survival. This doesn't mean the human mind is something different from the nature. It is nature in an expression. The thing is, it needs to be refined if you want it to work as something different than a creator of identity

God is an unlimited field of possibilities where coherence emerges. There is no cosmic designer, no higher will. God's will is precisely the movement of reality. There is no will that says, "Let an electron appear." The electron is the will. The designer is the design. It is absolutely direct, without a process of creation. The process of creation is the creator and the creation. There is no one behind you, only you now. Your existence is the creation of the reality, but multiplied by infinity